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Psyqo
Profile Joined November 2007
United States401 Posts
July 15 2011 13:57 GMT
#161
Great thread. I wish more team managers, leaders or coaches would blog like this. It gives a whole new insight into that side of the professional world.
Rinrun
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada3509 Posts
July 15 2011 14:09 GMT
#162
Awesome read- it's nice to read about how it is from the inside.

Heh, KR Diamond > NA Masters.
MBC/Liquid/TSM always.
iNfeRnaL *
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Germany1908 Posts
July 15 2011 14:17 GMT
#163
Nice read indeed.
Nothing too new (for me) tho.
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
July 15 2011 14:23 GMT
#164
Great read!

There really should be better coverage of the code a qualifier, so much drama!

English casting could also benefit from a few less jokes and more prepared casting.

On July 15 2011 18:07 Liquid`HuK wrote:
cool read thx for the compliments and coming out


I am not young enough to know everything.
Eleaven
Profile Joined September 2010
772 Posts
July 15 2011 14:26 GMT
#165
Interesting read.
Must admit i agree with most of your opinions, and i'll be paying close attention to the development of FXO as a team.

I was pretty happy/shocked the first time i saw my favourite site (fxopen) now had a team in my favourite game :O
Tommylew
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Wales2717 Posts
July 15 2011 14:29 GMT
#166
Quite a nice write up, nice to see what peoples perspectives are about Korea especially the ladder games being so much harder. Really hope all goes well for FXO, and they go on to big things!!!
Live and Let Die!
Percutio
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1672 Posts
July 15 2011 14:34 GMT
#167
Really awesome article. I really enjoyed the no fluff approach to your experience. You made it sound extremely real. Also, congrats on going through with such an intense experience. It takes a lot of guts to go play against the best in the world, but I'm even more sure that is was worth it after reading this.

I'm so excited to see how much everyone on the team has improved!
What does it matter how I loose it?
aksfjh
Profile Joined November 2010
United States4853 Posts
July 15 2011 14:41 GMT
#168
Really good read. I'm hoping to see FXO come back and become a NA powerhouse!

I have been looking for the answer to this question for ages: What is the format of Code A qualifiers?
Finrod1
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany3997 Posts
July 15 2011 14:42 GMT
#169
thanks for the read! good luck with your house in malaysia
Valckrie
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom533 Posts
July 15 2011 15:04 GMT
#170
Very nice read, hope FXO players get really good!
Fear is a 4 letter word. Why be afraid?
StarcraftKevin
Profile Joined August 2009
United States285 Posts
July 15 2011 15:04 GMT
#171
FXO best of luck and you guys brought smiles to my face whenever i see u guys play.
Thanks for taking a big chance and being a such a great team in general
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DisaFear
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia4074 Posts
July 15 2011 15:06 GMT
#172
Thanks for that FXOBoss, lovely read, I am sure FXO has improved tremendously from their efforts in Korea
Excellent read, 11/10
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Sasashi
Profile Joined February 2011
United States22 Posts
July 15 2011 15:06 GMT
#173
On July 15 2011 20:47 Spicy Pepper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 20:29 pandaminion wrote:
On July 15 2011 15:41 FXOpen wrote:

Highlight: ChoyafOu came to BBQ with us after a Code A day where nuclear was playing. We then convinced him that tgun was a transvestite, and he seriously believed us. Score 1 team, 0 tgun

FXOBoSs


How come no one picked up on this? Hilarious.

Great write up, I always enjoy reading reports from Korea :D It's good to know that you guys are enjoying yourself in Korea while still learning to play at a high level. The GSTL is pretty rough, but it's good to know that you guys are improving every day. FXO Fighting!

PS. Loved the bit about the flameguns.


Meh, probably because OP's jokes aren't as funny as he thinks to 10% of people :p. But now let's move, because OP is going to criticizing other casters' sense of humor.

FXOBoss is apparently the bearer of truth on good comedy and casting procedure, lol that's a joke. The idea of limiting jokes to good jokes is pretty moronic.

If you want a comparison of casters to another sports team, it's to TNT's NBA team with Ernie, Kenny, Charles Barkley, Chris Webber and now with Shaq. They talk all sorts of shit, talk about black guys, white guys, make comments about how ugly some of the NBA players, etc. They criticize players and teams constantly.

They also win all the Emmy's. You know why? People like that. They're widely regarded as the best in their business. They're basically the Tastosis of their field.

Also, hey guys, casters make mistakes, they get tired, and if you're talking about growing business, accurate sports analysis isn't necessarily what keeps a bigger audiences in other sports. Entertaining ones do. Most people aren't looking for an education, as much as they're looking for entertainment.


TNT's team your talking about for NBA aren't casters. They are anchorman and analysts. They run the pre-game and half time shows to fill time while the game isn't going on. The casters are the ones actually talking during the game, Marv Albert, Reggie Miller, etc.

As for them actually being good, I hate their half time shows. I don't watch them. Ever.

In terms of casting though, they actually have a good mix of casters that do a quality job. You'll notice that they specifically design the commentator pairings to create a quality flow of information and analysis. They have people like Reggie Miller, a less experienced speaker, but very experienced player to provide insight into facets of the action that people outside the sport may not know or understand. They back him up with someone to take front stage to plug sponsors, do intro and exits for commercials, send it to the studio or to a court-side reporter for interviews or inside information. They also have people fact checking, providing info on specific players, their recent history or long past that may have relevance. They provide insight into a lot of different things the average person wouldn't be able to know. This is what makes them professional. This is something eSports is currently lacking at times. For all of the love Tastosis gets, I'm actually not a huge fan. They understand what's going on and do a decent job of getting it across or making predictions etc., but I find the joking and tangents to be distracting and obtrusive. When I'm watching a game I want info on the game. I want to know players win percentages in the matchup, their recent history of wins/losses, the expected play both players are known for and how that will play into the matchup. I want to know how they are approaching the game currently, why they are positioning in certain areas, or what their goals may be. I also want some enthusiasm as to the events that are currently playing out, like a crazy battle or great harass. Tastosis get a lot of this right at times, but fall flat completely at others. However, the most important thing to take away from the love for Tastosis is how their commentary complements one another. Artosis is very detail oriented and knowledgeable about the strategies that players will be doing and Tasteless provides a lot of enthusiasm and charisma for every match. It's this balance between the two that works so well, and with proper dedication to preparation and an effort to provide a fully professional experience will greatly increase the quality of the casts. Jokes are fine, they just need to be well prepared and engaging. Random jokes that fall flat just lower the quality of a cast.

And I think that's something every eSports tournament could take away from professional sports casting is learning how to pair the people who will cast the games. It really becomes essential to have someone who can create great emotion in a match while still having someone able to explain the 'who, what, why' of what's going on. I think DJWheat and Day9 are a great combo for this as Wheat is normally very solid in conveying a professional attitude at the big events like MLG, while Day9 is great for strategy analysis (obviously).

If you don't think there is a need for some professionalism look at Day9's dailies, where he prepares specific themes and games that hes going to go over and what topics he wants to touch on before he ever turns on his stream. This creates a seamless episode that speaks to specific points, with examples being played right in front of you, and creates a feel of an actual show, not just a random dumping of information that hopefully makes sense. The same preparation should be used for any tournament; casters should be prepared with background information on all the participants, as well as detailed information for the matches they will be casting.

I will grant you, though, Day9 has a lot of random moments on his dailies where he goes onto tangents. They mostly happen at the beginning or when he slips up, but also there's a distinct difference in his dailies and his casting. He understands the need to present a more professional face when he's casting anything, rolling with what's going on and keeping the viewer immersed in the matches.

Anyway, professionalism is expected from viewers if eSports ever hopes to get bigger and go mainstream. No reason you can't start improving the casting now to prepare for later.
Genie1
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada333 Posts
July 15 2011 15:18 GMT
#174
I knew that it would take 8 hours of practice everyday in order to reach up to the potential skill level of the Korean gamers but in North America playing video games for long periods is considered bad and unhealthy. People think this will become the same as any regular sport but sadly no unless they start developing healthy diets for everyone and make them go to the gym for at least 1 hour a day so that they stay fit.
[RAVEN ONLINE] "You don't talk like us" [....CAW CAW] -QXC
awwnuts07
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States621 Posts
July 15 2011 15:25 GMT
#175
10-12 hours of practice? That sounds about right. Don't professional athletes practice around the same amount? Why should professional gaming be any different?

BTW, thanks for the insight. Maybe now Westerners will stop trying to cut corners and just put in the work.
I'm a noob
r_con
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States824 Posts
July 15 2011 15:27 GMT
#176
very good read, thanks for spending the time to make this post.
Flash Fan!
Misanthrope
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States924 Posts
July 15 2011 15:28 GMT
#177
Awesome read, thanks for telling us about your experiences! <3 FXO FIGHTING!!!!~
Resolve to perform what you ought. Perform without fail what you resolve. - Benjamin Franklin
cYaN
Profile Joined May 2004
Norway3322 Posts
July 15 2011 15:40 GMT
#178
I gotta say a third caster is a horrible idea, but a very interesting read. Thanks for taking the time to write it up^^
Tuxedo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States134 Posts
July 15 2011 15:42 GMT
#179
Are you implying that Tastosis is bad? I hope not . Seems weird to comment on commentaries like that when players from you own team were doing alot of the code A casting.

Dat Ax! I bleed Infinity Seven Black
Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
July 15 2011 15:48 GMT
#180
On July 15 2011 15:41 FXOpen wrote:
Thirdly English casting.
Although 90% of the time the english cast is done well, there are a bunch of things that need to change. The cast needs to be more scheduled and less random. The crappy jokes need to stop (not the good ones, just the crappy ones). Heres a pointer, if you are laughing mid joke at your own joke, its probably not funny. It also needs to bring more insight into the game, more facts more figures and probably a 3rd person.


Except that, great read.

Although I don't particularly like the code A casting, Tastosis are perfect, gom doesnt need to change them, ever. Plus, a 3rd wouldn't be a good idea imo.
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