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bruteMax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada339 Posts
July 15 2011 18:34 GMT
#201
Aewsome read. Thanks for sharing!
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Fatze
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Germany1342 Posts
July 15 2011 18:37 GMT
#202
Awesome article! Thx for the insight
Comfort from bottles, cheers from beers the guitars are our weapons and we know how to kill!
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
July 15 2011 18:44 GMT
#203
this is such a great read. you are good writer
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
July 15 2011 18:59 GMT
#204
Interesting to get more insight from Korea :D. Hope we will see more of FXO in the future
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Drlemur
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States153 Posts
July 15 2011 19:03 GMT
#205
Great post and info. FXO is doing great work connecting the Korean and foreigner communities. It was great that the team got to be out there. And great job getting Choya to MLG so he can see the other side of the story.

You guys are clearly willing to spend a little money to build the sport and improve the team. I hope it comes back to you 10-fold in sponsorships.

I don't agree with the caster concerns, but as a businessman, I'm sure you'd agree that it comes down to the casters should be the best for the business of esports -- which is entertainment. If the jokes put people off and make them watch less, they should be avoided. If they bring in eyeballs, then they win. GOM is doing the right thing by rotating and essentially having the casters compete. The ones who draw the best crowds rightfully win, whatever their casting style.

Personally, I though Wolf/QXC was awesome as a caster duo. I like stories and information about the players and the esports scene even more than deeply insightful strategic analysis. I'll take the bad jokes with the good and even a premature "it's over" call by the casters -- it makes an improbable comeback just that much better. One of my favorite games was the "one zergling" game where Choya was bearing down on Nestea, who only had one zergling for defense, and Tastosis wrote Nestea off as totally dead...

It's all good, though. Great job to FXO and continued good luck and success.
QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
July 15 2011 19:04 GMT
#206
Great read - i think your a classy guy
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caelym
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States6421 Posts
July 15 2011 19:04 GMT
#207
On July 15 2011 15:41 FXOpen wrote:
I love Korea, and so should every gamer out there. Without Korea, gaming is just a hobby.

Dang, laying down the truth that everyone's afraid to admit. Very good write up.
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ComusLoM
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Norway3547 Posts
July 15 2011 19:07 GMT
#208
Great story really enjoyed hearing more from you guys. Gives a really cool perspective on things, would love for some similar accounts from the liquid guys but I doubt that will happen. And I completely agree on those damn flames!
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sc_oldboy
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany35 Posts
July 15 2011 19:25 GMT
#209
Thank you for the write-up FxoBoss & thank you for what you are doing to help grow the community. I hope Fxo is going to be even more successful in the future
What does one have to do to become a Zerg gosu? First empty your mind, get your firm grip on the mouse and practice hard, and don't get stressed out. Zerg gosuness is measured by enjoyment you get without getting stressed out, not skill. That's gosu.
Ocedic
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1808 Posts
July 15 2011 19:25 GMT
#210
On July 15 2011 16:47 moose162 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 16:20 FXOpen wrote:
On July 15 2011 16:17 IcedBacon wrote:
Thirdly English casting.
Although 90% of the time the english cast is done well, there are a bunch of things that need to change. The cast needs to be more scheduled and less random. The crappy jokes need to stop (not the good ones, just the crappy ones). Heres a pointer, if you are laughing mid joke at your own joke, its probably not funny. It also needs to bring more insight into the game, more facts more figures and probably a 3rd person.


...Talk to Wolf and Unstable? :p Tastosis is the most loved commentary duo by the foreigners, nothing needs to change. Sure there's some bad jokes and awkard moments but part of a caster's job is to be able to fill in time with random banter. It happens at MLG (even moreso), Dreamhack, IEM, whatever. Not really something to complain about.

With that aside, nice writeup and glad everyone enjoys/enjoyed it there.


You just proved my point

The random banter moments are only happening in foreign events. Koreans dont seem to have those moments.

Have you considered that the English commentators are at the mercy of the Korean schedule? At least in GSL, the Korean commentators dictate the timing and flow, and the English commentators must adapt on the fly, which leads to those moments of randomness. Perhaps the commentators are not to blame, but the behind the scene staff. Just throwing ideas out there.


This doesn't make any sense, because the foreign casters act the same way at foreign events. And you act as if the Korean casters dictate the 'schedule.'

Anyways, this thread is a weird place to be discussing this issue to be honest. I don't think Boss intended it to be the focal point of discussion; he just offhandedly made a remark about the professionalism of Korean casters.

For some reason, people can't accept the fact that their favorite foreign casters might not be infallible and perfect. Boss isn't insulting anyone or putting down their work, he is just commenting on how it could be better.
Trowa127
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1230 Posts
July 15 2011 19:28 GMT
#211
I hope that the fxo guys come back for MLG etc and completely stomp face.
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sc_oldboy
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany35 Posts
July 15 2011 19:29 GMT
#212
On July 16 2011 02:04 tgun wrote:
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On July 15 2011 21:49 red4ce wrote:
Thanks for the writeup FXOboss. I enjoyed reading about your experience thoroughly. Lol at tgun being a transvestite. Not that I'd want to cut into the FXO players' practice time or other responsibilities but it would be awesome if we could get some words from them about their personal experiences sometime later on.


Personal experiences? As far as I'm aware, I'm not a transvestite.


You are not So why was I so aroused when you were on stream Are you sure?
What does one have to do to become a Zerg gosu? First empty your mind, get your firm grip on the mouse and practice hard, and don't get stressed out. Zerg gosuness is measured by enjoyment you get without getting stressed out, not skill. That's gosu.
FarbrorAbavna
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden4856 Posts
July 15 2011 19:47 GMT
#213
great writeup and a nice read. Did not feel like a wall of text at all. Ty for doing this!
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yoshi_yoshi
Profile Joined January 2010
United States440 Posts
July 15 2011 19:47 GMT
#214
On July 15 2011 20:54 Spicy Pepper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2011 20:50 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On July 15 2011 20:47 Spicy Pepper wrote:
On July 15 2011 20:29 pandaminion wrote:
On July 15 2011 15:41 FXOpen wrote:

Highlight: ChoyafOu came to BBQ with us after a Code A day where nuclear was playing. We then convinced him that tgun was a transvestite, and he seriously believed us. Score 1 team, 0 tgun

FXOBoSs


How come no one picked up on this? Hilarious.

Great write up, I always enjoy reading reports from Korea :D It's good to know that you guys are enjoying yourself in Korea while still learning to play at a high level. The GSTL is pretty rough, but it's good to know that you guys are improving every day. FXO Fighting!

PS. Loved the bit about the flameguns.

Meh, probably because OP's jokes aren't as funny as he thinks to 10% of people :p. But now let's move, because OP is going to criticizing other casters' sense of humor.

FXOBoss is apparently the bearer of truth on good comedy and casting procedure, lol that's a joke. The idea of limiting jokes to good jokes is pretty moronic.

If you want a comparison of casters to another sports team, it's to TNT's NBA team with Ernie, Kenny, Charles Barkley, Chris Webber and now with Shaq. They talk all sorts of shit, talk about black guys, white guys, make comments about how ugly some of the NBA players, etc. They criticize players and teams constantly.

They also win all the Emmy's. You know why? People like that. They're widely regarded as the best in their business. They're basically the Tastosis of their field.

Also, hey guys, casters make mistakes, they get tired, and if you're talking about growing business, accurate sports analysis isn't necessarily what keeps a bigger audiences in other sports. Entertaining ones do. Most people aren't looking for an education, as much as they're looking for entertainment.


They also have really highly paid media specialists to help them improve. Don't skip over this fact. And they normally don't have time to tell many jokes, or have to kill downtime like SC2 casters can have to, at times.


Uh, do you watch Ernie, Kenny and Barkley? Let's all speak out of our asses now. WTF are you talking about, they do not have people to help them improve. It's not like they all live down in Atlanta, they fly down there one day a week and do the show with 15 minutes of prep. They improv the show, to give it a natural flow.

Also, they kill all sorts of time, the pregame (15 to 1 hour), half time (15min), post game (1hour). They kill lots of time.


Yes, thank you. I don't follow basketball closely but every time I see Charles Barkley on TV I will watch, because I know it will be hilarious and represent a true unfiltered opinion of someone . In American football I do the same thing with Deion Sanders. (For those not familiar with NBA/NFL, they can get away with this because they are star ex-players.)

And yes, Tastosis represent the same thing in Starcraft.

I can appreciate OP's perspective on casters and why he thinks that is what will be good for the growth of the game. But this scenario has happened countless times, and many times if the 'business' people get their way, it is at the expense of the original fanbase (that's us, BTW). As he said himself, fan enjoyment isn't really his primary concern.
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
July 15 2011 19:48 GMT
#215
Fyi, Caesar salads are awful for you! In fact, an entree caesar salad is actually worse for you (of course, it varies) typically than ordering a cheeseburger! Don't order caesar salads, they're actually one of the biggest "steer clear of"when you're dieting :S.

And it's not "healthy fat" or any of that shit, it's just really flat out bad.
koolaid1990
Profile Joined September 2010
831 Posts
July 15 2011 19:52 GMT
#216
On July 16 2011 01:01 Evangelist wrote:
There's a reason nearly all major sports casters have two commentators. As it is, the best casters in our community are Tastosis and Day[9]. QXC was also very, very good and I'd like to see him done some skits with Day[9] himself.

I love your perspective on things though, especially from the Korean ladder which does appear to contribute significantly to those that play on it. A really unique perspective. Thank you

You do realize that the korean casters of GSL is 3 people right? And whats the reason for only having two commentators? Have we ever seen a day9 + tastosis cast? no we havent... so we don't know if its good or bad. Personally, i would love a 3 people cast, it feels like a party.
Atasu
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada98 Posts
July 15 2011 19:53 GMT
#217
Very insightful. The work you are doing with your team is admirable, never seen more dedication with a team, your the man BOSS
Serdiuk
Profile Joined January 2011
Belgium145 Posts
July 15 2011 19:53 GMT
#218
Great read! Great respect to you and team FXO for doing this and advancing E-Sports abroad.
SushilS
Profile Joined November 2010
2115 Posts
July 15 2011 19:55 GMT
#219
FXO <3333333
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eXwOn
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada351 Posts
July 15 2011 19:55 GMT
#220
Nice read man.

I'll never look at those flameguns the same way
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