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Eeeegor
Profile Joined April 2005
Australia809 Posts
July 15 2011 23:38 GMT
#241
Great insight, thanks for sharing this
Day9 Made Me Do It
PrimeTimey
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada369 Posts
July 16 2011 00:01 GMT
#242
On July 16 2011 00:25 awwnuts07 wrote:
10-12 hours of practice? That sounds about right. Don't professional athletes practice around the same amount? Why should professional gaming be any different?

BTW, thanks for the insight. Maybe now Westerners will stop trying to cut corners and just put in the work.


You are kidding me right? Professional athletes practice couple hours a day, five days a week. During the off-season practice usually turns into workouts. No professional athlete would practice for anywhere near 10 hours.
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
July 16 2011 00:17 GMT
#243
On July 16 2011 08:28 andy3331 wrote:
Good read, very interesting stuff, but I do have to rant.
I love what FXO has done, really I do, but posts like this one just perpetuate something that really should bother more people.

The idea that you put behind this is basically that unless you go to korea or practice the korean way you will never be good. Of course thats a generalization of the idea, but I'm just sick of this and I expect more from a team that genuinely seems interested in being a top tier competitor. Look at every sport the US competes in. Literally, every sport. Do track/soccer/football/basketball/baseball/swimming/archery/cycling/fencing/volleyball (etc...) athletes that come from U.S.A. sit at home half assing their practice and wax poetically about how if they were in ______ (insert country here) they would be soo much better? No, they absolutely do not. They practice their ass off WHERE THEY ARE, developing new techniques and learning off of like minded individuals. They know they will get better not because of where they are but because they have dedicated themselves to doing so.
Starcraft pros continue to basically use where they practice as a crutch to their success. This is simply not the case, but a mere excuse and a pathetic one at that.
I do plan to follow this EG team house with great interest. I think if their is any one individual who recognizes this it is incontrol. He knows this house could be just what it takes to push EG's skills into that "korean level." I wasn't a fan of his at first and I still don't think hes the greatest, but I know he WILL work at it and I only hope his enthusiasm and dedication is contagious to those of you who live outside Korea believing the thing that is holding you back is not living there.

And yes, I fully expect no one to agree with me. It's the easiest thing to do.

/rant


i think the point he is trying to make is that, being in korea teaches the "know how", similar to how professional athletes have coaches from other parts of the world depending on the sport. Guus Hiddink lead the korean soccer team in 2002, yuna kim is coached by a canadian (or used to), american speed skating team has a korean coach, etc.

for now korea does have the know how and the foreigners are going to korea to learn that, then they can bring that to wherever they stay and go from there.
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PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
July 16 2011 00:20 GMT
#244
Nice read, interesting to see your experiences in Korea. Best of luck to all the guys on the team hopefully they keep improving, and i have to say everytime u make a thread I become a bigger fan of FXO.
Jieun <3
suejak
Profile Joined March 2010
Japan545 Posts
July 16 2011 00:25 GMT
#245
LOL, I'm glad FXOBoss has no influence on these things, because who the hell wants Tastosis to change? I get the sense the answer is, not many of us. Unstable was, in my opinion, the most boring co-caster we've ever had. Wolf is pretty good, and his dumb jokes are cute. Tastosis's good jokes and dumb jokes are kinda what make them Tastosis. I have no idea why anybody would want them to change.
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EnSky
Profile Joined June 2011
Philippines1003 Posts
July 16 2011 00:25 GMT
#246
Looks like you had a great time in Korea. I was actually thinking of going there if I get a break from work.
Sayer
Profile Joined August 2009
United States403 Posts
July 16 2011 00:26 GMT
#247
Epic read, thx Boss!!
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
July 16 2011 00:28 GMT
#248
On July 16 2011 09:25 suejak wrote:
LOL, I'm glad FXOBoss has no influence on these things, because who the hell wants Tastosis to change? I get the sense the answer is, not many of us. Unstable was, in my opinion, the most boring co-caster we've ever had. Wolf is pretty good, and his dumb jokes are cute. Tastosis's good jokes and dumb jokes are kinda what make them Tastosis. I have no idea why anybody would want them to change.


Just because you don't want change doesn't mean others don't. I would love to cut some of the jokes and get all the intel the korean commentators give.
MonkSEA
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia1227 Posts
July 16 2011 00:36 GMT
#249
This was pretty good for a "My experiences" blog.. It was crossed "facts", pretty good highlights, and then the killer: serious criticism.

I honestly think that you could of left the criticism out and it would of been a great read, but that part killed it for me, as you were pissing on your casters and qxc, and GOM who did so much for you guys. It just seems you're pretty unappreciative and uncaring towards the effort these people put in, sure it's great you're telling us about the dangers most of us will never encounter.. But why don't you tell GOM about this?

But yeah, if you left the whole GOM criticism part out, then I would of thoroughly enjoyed it, especially the tgun transvestite parts, and the detailed and well de-scripted emotions and feelings in the code a qualifiers.
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vrok
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden2541 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-16 00:42:19
July 16 2011 00:41 GMT
#250
On July 16 2011 09:36 MonkSEA wrote:
This was pretty good for a "My experiences" blog.. It was crossed "facts", pretty good highlights, and then the killer: serious criticism.

I honestly think that you could of left the criticism out and it would of been a great read, but that part killed it for me, as you were pissing on your casters and qxc, and GOM who did so much for you guys. It just seems you're pretty unappreciative and uncaring towards the effort these people put in, sure it's great you're telling us about the dangers most of us will never encounter.. But why don't you tell GOM about this?

But yeah, if you left the whole GOM criticism part out, then I would of thoroughly enjoyed it, especially the tgun transvestite parts, and the detailed and well de-scripted emotions and feelings in the code a qualifiers.

You're pretty much wrong about everything. Stop being so overly sensitive and man up.
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cskalias.pbe
Profile Joined April 2010
United States293 Posts
July 16 2011 00:44 GMT
#251
FXOpen, I think you're an incredible member of the community and your insight into the scene helps a lot by dispelling many of the inaccurate views on this site. How do you trade during market hours and still run a team?

I agree completely on your thoughts regarding commentary. People love tastosis, and the error my lie more to one than the other, but many of the inappropriate jokes/comments hurt the scene, no matter what the members on TL say. I remember tasteless made hellen keller jokes about artosis's ferret on like 3 different days and this hurts the sponsorship of the game and the league.

in the "real" world (leagues worth billions, not millions), that shit is not acceptable. if a lot people made that joke in public, they'd lose their jobs.

also, all the korean subbed commentaries i've seen never have the "downtime" that tasteless and artosis are always referring to.

I really love day9 as a caster. his daily my get quite offtopic, but he is never offensive by the standards of the "non-gamer" crowd.

Esports forever
Moralez
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1857 Posts
July 16 2011 00:45 GMT
#252
Good job FXOBoss you're really a nice, wise man.
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Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9021 Posts
July 16 2011 00:57 GMT
#253
Great post. I don't know about a Malaysian league though, how many ppl actually play SC2 there?
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-16 01:18:45
July 16 2011 01:17 GMT
#254
On July 16 2011 09:25 suejak wrote:
LOL, I'm glad FXOBoss has no influence on these things, because who the hell wants Tastosis to change? I get the sense the answer is, not many of us. Unstable was, in my opinion, the most boring co-caster we've ever had. Wolf is pretty good, and his dumb jokes are cute. Tastosis's good jokes and dumb jokes are kinda what make them Tastosis. I have no idea why anybody would want them to change.


the jokes really do get annoying for me. jokes here and there is fine, its actually healthy for the viewing but sometimes they just carry it on too long. its a cultural difference(korean netizen wrote a blog saying korean casters present the game while the english caster is more like watching the game with you), there's nothing wrong with it imo(i only prefer one over the other) but you dont see(not never, but rare) this kind of behavior in any professional sport casting.

korean casters do joke but its mostly one liners.
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suejak
Profile Joined March 2010
Japan545 Posts
July 16 2011 01:24 GMT
#255
On July 16 2011 09:28 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2011 09:25 suejak wrote:
LOL, I'm glad FXOBoss has no influence on these things, because who the hell wants Tastosis to change? I get the sense the answer is, not many of us. Unstable was, in my opinion, the most boring co-caster we've ever had. Wolf is pretty good, and his dumb jokes are cute. Tastosis's good jokes and dumb jokes are kinda what make them Tastosis. I have no idea why anybody would want them to change.


Just because you don't want change doesn't mean others don't. I would love to cut some of the jokes and get all the intel the korean commentators give.

Well, I'm all for the intel as well. But I don't want the jokes to go anywhere. I think we can have both.
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Nivek
Profile Joined November 2010
United States119 Posts
July 16 2011 01:26 GMT
#256
On July 16 2011 04:52 koolaid1990 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2011 01:01 Evangelist wrote:
There's a reason nearly all major sports casters have two commentators. As it is, the best casters in our community are Tastosis and Day[9]. QXC was also very, very good and I'd like to see him done some skits with Day[9] himself.

I love your perspective on things though, especially from the Korean ladder which does appear to contribute significantly to those that play on it. A really unique perspective. Thank you

You do realize that the korean casters of GSL is 3 people right? And whats the reason for only having two commentators? Have we ever seen a day9 + tastosis cast? no we havent... so we don't know if its good or bad. Personally, i would love a 3 people cast, it feels like a party.


Yes, we have seen Day9 & Tastosis cast together at the BlizzCon 2010 StarCraft II Invitational.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
July 16 2011 01:29 GMT
#257
On July 16 2011 10:24 suejak wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2011 09:28 Numy wrote:
On July 16 2011 09:25 suejak wrote:
LOL, I'm glad FXOBoss has no influence on these things, because who the hell wants Tastosis to change? I get the sense the answer is, not many of us. Unstable was, in my opinion, the most boring co-caster we've ever had. Wolf is pretty good, and his dumb jokes are cute. Tastosis's good jokes and dumb jokes are kinda what make them Tastosis. I have no idea why anybody would want them to change.


Just because you don't want change doesn't mean others don't. I would love to cut some of the jokes and get all the intel the korean commentators give.

Well, I'm all for the intel as well. But I don't want the jokes to go anywhere. I think we can have both.


All the filler content are jokes. So the jokes will go if the intel is put in. FXOBoss wasn't talking about the small funny ingame jokes that happen now and then. The constant joking that surrounds the games themselves. So if you want to have what the korean commentators give all that joking falls away. You can't have both. Unless you didn't quite understand what he was talking about.
suejak
Profile Joined March 2010
Japan545 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-16 02:07:42
July 16 2011 02:06 GMT
#258
On July 16 2011 10:29 Numy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2011 10:24 suejak wrote:
On July 16 2011 09:28 Numy wrote:
On July 16 2011 09:25 suejak wrote:
LOL, I'm glad FXOBoss has no influence on these things, because who the hell wants Tastosis to change? I get the sense the answer is, not many of us. Unstable was, in my opinion, the most boring co-caster we've ever had. Wolf is pretty good, and his dumb jokes are cute. Tastosis's good jokes and dumb jokes are kinda what make them Tastosis. I have no idea why anybody would want them to change.


Just because you don't want change doesn't mean others don't. I would love to cut some of the jokes and get all the intel the korean commentators give.

Well, I'm all for the intel as well. But I don't want the jokes to go anywhere. I think we can have both.


All the filler content are jokes. So the jokes will go if the intel is put in. FXOBoss wasn't talking about the small funny ingame jokes that happen now and then. The constant joking that surrounds the games themselves. So if you want to have what the korean commentators give all that joking falls away. You can't have both. Unless you didn't quite understand what he was talking about.

Man, you're one of those guys, huh? lol, it's a pretty bizarre statement to insist "WE CAN'T HAVE BOTH!"

If what you mean is the stupid filler chat-chat like, "What's your favourite soda pop?" then you should said "stupid filler has to go." If that's what you mean, honestly, I don't care what happens to that. Intel replacing it would be fine. That sounds like a producer's job, not a caster's.

If you mean just the jokes, which is what Boss said (i.e., casters need to quit making dumb jokes -- funny jokes can stay), then there's no reason "intel" has to replace that.
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ForlornHope
Profile Joined June 2011
Vietnam111 Posts
July 16 2011 02:09 GMT
#259
he you guy really should do better in the GSTL, keep letting mid tier korean all kill is not a good way to attract or impress fan
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Blasphemi
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom980 Posts
July 16 2011 02:15 GMT
#260
On July 16 2011 08:01 sc2olorin wrote:
good post, BoSs

I think much of the problems foreign casters have when filling time comes down to a lack of preparedness. If the casters watched half as much Starcraft as I do, or even just spent more time researching players' histories with one another, making greater efforts to pre-interview players before matches to get their thoughts, etc., then they would have so much to talk about that having to fill time with bad jokes would never be something that arised.

Day9 for example is one of the few casters that knows how to seemlessly integrate his knowledge about the players into his casting. Now that he has no time obligations involved with school, I think we will see him rise far above the rest in terms of professionalism and player knowledge.

It is easily apparent for an astute GSL watcher to glean the fact that Tasteless does not watch much if any SC2 outside of the games he casts. I cannot remember a time where his knowledge about a particular player was impressive, other than the rare times that he and Artosis take the opportunity to speak to a player before a match. Artosis, while clearly watching a large amount of SC2 outside the GSL, does not integrate this into his casting nearly enough, which could be down to a simple memory problem that could be corrected with more time devoted to research before each match.

Day9's insanely ott foreigner bias is far from professional. I can't count the number of Korean vs foreigner rapes I've seen where all he does is praise the foreigner.
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