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On July 16 2011 14:42 Bobble wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 14:30 Mazeltov wrote:On July 15 2011 15:41 FXOpen wrote:
Thirdly English casting.
Although 90% of the time the english cast is done well, there are a bunch of things that need to change. The cast needs to be more scheduled and less random. The crappy jokes need to stop (not the good ones, just the crappy ones). Heres a pointer, if you are laughing mid joke at your own joke, its probably not funny. It also needs to bring more insight into the game, more facts more figures and probably a 3rd person.
Agreed it should only be Tastosis casting, the FXO crews ( Wolf, Unstable, QXC is pretty good but it's clear you can't be a caster and pro-gamer at the same time) are boring and not particularly knowledgeable. You do know that Tastosis can't be the only answer for English casters. You need other couples for the job. Plus, how are you going to get fresh casting blood if you don't let anyone else try? I'm sure we'll upon a casting couple that people may really enjoy. Unstable + QXC anyone?
Assuming that casting is a job (I believe the casters are paid as such) than working 5 days a week is by no means uncommon and actually quite normal. Why can't Tastosis cast 5 days a week then? I'm all for new casters but as soon as I find out they are boring or not worth watching I turn off the game and don't watch it.
As mentioned QXC cannot easily be a professional gamer along with being a professional caster that would mean he would essentially have to work 2 full time jobs and is unreasonable to ask. If he wants to do that more power to him but expecting it is silly. As for Unstable he is boring and lacks knowledge when he casts I find myself doing other things because I just get bored by his lack of energy, humor and knowledge. The recent casting changes are actually why I stopped buying the premium tickets starting with this GSL July/GTSL because I won't pay for quality that is below what I am used to.
I don't know the numbers behind GOMs viewers and if the changing of casters is a good business decision than they should pursue it. But if they lose viewers and thus money because they want to try out the latest casting options they may want to rethink their strategies.
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I really enjoyed the writeup but I don't really agree with the addition of an extra english commentator.
Pairs talk over each other enough as it is, having a 3rd would just be frustrating to listen to XD
I also don't find the jokes that bad, if people didnt make bad jokes then qxc and wolf would have never made that muta/raven joke last week. That joke had me cry it was so funny, gonna miss those 2 :/
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On July 16 2011 16:50 FXOpen wrote:
Unfortunately people seem to think that a 10% change in a caster = Me calling them bad... Cmon guys, read the words, dont just auto jump to the "OMG HE IS BASHING TASTELESS AND ARTOSIS HALP!!!".. 10% of the stuff that goes on, is unprofessional.. 10%....
That leaves 9/10 left. If thats insulting then how is one meant to get through life and advance as a person?
Don't even try and to reason with the nubs.
Nice write-up btw.
p.s if the fxo players bm me ingame again i'll fight them all irl.
(tgun is ok though, he said sorry)
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On July 16 2011 19:05 ChibiZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 16:50 FXOpen wrote:
Unfortunately people seem to think that a 10% change in a caster = Me calling them bad... Cmon guys, read the words, dont just auto jump to the "OMG HE IS BASHING TASTELESS AND ARTOSIS HALP!!!".. 10% of the stuff that goes on, is unprofessional.. 10%....
That leaves 9/10 left. If thats insulting then how is one meant to get through life and advance as a person? Don't even try and to reason with the nubs. Nice write-up btw. p.s if the fxo players bm me ingame again i'll fight them all irl. (tgun is ok though, he said sorry)
Sounds like fun.. Lets box 
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I think it's a joke that you're dictating what kind of humor and what level of jokes GOM is allowing/should allow in their casts. A lot of people are really enjoying the Tastosis cast because of how they do it.
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On July 15 2011 15:41 FXOpen wrote:
Its definitely something that wouldnt happen in Australia or the united states. Or malaysia for that matter. I was impressed.
What? How long have you been in Malaysia? I have received countless gifts during my stay there. Malaysians are some of the most welcoming and friendly people I have come across.
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On July 16 2011 16:50 Mazeltov wrote:Show nested quote +On July 16 2011 14:42 Bobble wrote:On July 16 2011 14:30 Mazeltov wrote:On July 15 2011 15:41 FXOpen wrote:
Thirdly English casting.
Although 90% of the time the english cast is done well, there are a bunch of things that need to change. The cast needs to be more scheduled and less random. The crappy jokes need to stop (not the good ones, just the crappy ones). Heres a pointer, if you are laughing mid joke at your own joke, its probably not funny. It also needs to bring more insight into the game, more facts more figures and probably a 3rd person.
Agreed it should only be Tastosis casting, the FXO crews ( Wolf, Unstable, QXC is pretty good but it's clear you can't be a caster and pro-gamer at the same time) are boring and not particularly knowledgeable. You do know that Tastosis can't be the only answer for English casters. You need other couples for the job. Plus, how are you going to get fresh casting blood if you don't let anyone else try? I'm sure we'll upon a casting couple that people may really enjoy. Unstable + QXC anyone? Assuming that casting is a job (I believe the casters are paid as such) than working 5 days a week is by no means uncommon and actually quite normal. Why can't Tastosis cast 5 days a week then? I'm all for new casters but as soon as I find out they are boring or not worth watching I turn off the game and don't watch it. As mentioned QXC cannot easily be a professional gamer along with being a professional caster that would mean he would essentially have to work 2 full time jobs and is unreasonable to ask. If he wants to do that more power to him but expecting it is silly. As for Unstable he is boring and lacks knowledge when he casts I find myself doing other things because I just get bored by his lack of energy, humor and knowledge. The recent casting changes are actually why I stopped buying the premium tickets starting with this GSL July/GTSL because I won't pay for quality that is below what I am used to. I don't know the numbers behind GOMs viewers and if the changing of casters is a good business decision than they should pursue it. But if they lose viewers and thus money because they want to try out the latest casting options they may want to rethink their strategies.
I definitely agree with this (or the last two paragraphs at least, since I know nothing about casting as a job).
Its nothing against him, but when I watch casters like Unstable, I feel discouraged to watch the cast because there's no "flavor" in the cast. The reason I like Tastosis is because they feel relatable, and they make me laugh rather than just casting the game with superior knowledge. I sometimes think they need to change minor things (like Tasteless mentioning that people called Artosis a dick), but I think its something that will change over time if ends up being a big enough problem.
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On July 15 2011 15:56 FXOpen wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 15:54 Desirous wrote:On July 15 2011 15:41 FXOpen wrote:
Highlight: QXC and I went to buy groceries one day at the supermarket. The lady forgot to scan one bottle of milk, and we were like "what about the milk". She then proceeded to scan it in as a gift and give it to us for free. Whilst I assume this came from her wages, she did it with the biggest smile, and a bow. And was trying to communicate in english as best she could. This moment made me feel very warm and welcomed. Its definitely something that wouldnt happen in Australia or the united states. Or malaysia for that matter. I was impressed.
FXOBoSs Great story ruined by your opinion of it. Truth hurts.
Nice read, but there is some truth in what he said considering I've been to both of those places and I've had similar experiences. Then again, it could just be the way I present myself and my open body language. That is another thing though.
I found the bench issue pretty funny and I have to agree with you on the casters. Dan and Nick do it quite often and I don't know why the other casters try to copy them so much because a lot of what Dan and Nick do is hit and miss. My message to the casters is to be yourself. That is what got you there in the first place. Sometimes I think they're trying way too hard to impress people.
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On July 15 2011 15:41 FXOpen wrote:
Thirdly English casting.
Although 90% of the time the english cast is done well, there are a bunch of things that need to change. The cast needs to be more scheduled and less random. The crappy jokes need to stop (not the good ones, just the crappy ones). Heres a pointer, if you are laughing mid joke at your own joke, its probably not funny. It also needs to bring more insight into the game, more facts more figures and probably a 3rd person.
I don't really see how this needs to change. The scheduling is not in the hands of the English casters (as far as I know, also Tasteless often points out on stream that they have to wait for the korean casters to wrap it up), so it feels kind of unwarranted to lay that on them. About the "crappy jokes", I'd say it's just up to what type of humor you prefer. I love Tastosis and their jokes to death, and have no desire to change anything. I think there's plenty of insight already, but the third caster idea is rather intriguing. Loved having three casters at Homestory Cup 3, and I can see it working at GSL.
All in all, a great write-up, but I suggest not stressing the casting issue, since it seems to be just you asking them to change something because you don't like it.
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I watch American sports for a few hours every day, then I watch e-sports for a few hours at night. You guys will be craving current Tastosis once SC2 goes mainstream, because most commentary on TV is terribly boring and oftentimes outright wrong. (I rely on Twitter for my commentary - I turn off the sound on most games.) It's incredibly refreshing to hear them be so frank and really show their friendship.
Above isn't really targeted at Boss - I think bad jokes are only bad once they're finished and the professionalism argument is also dead weight. The main concern of most seems to be that SC2 won't be popular in the mainstream because of Tastosis's quirks, and I think it might be popular because of it. Most sports fans hate their commentators, trust me. I feel incredibly lucky with the GSL.
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I sure wish people with contentious opinions that aren't based on anything but personal taste would stop presenting their opinions as 'truth' or 'fact'. It's self congratulatory narcissism that taints anything else you purport as fact, regardless of whether it is actually a fact or not.
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On July 16 2011 23:54 holyvenom wrote:
I watch American sports for a few hours every day, then I watch e-sports for a few hours at night. You guys will be craving current Tastosis once SC2 goes mainstream, because most commentary on TV is terribly boring and oftentimes outright wrong. (I rely on Twitter for my commentary - I turn off the sound on most games.) It's incredibly refreshing to hear them be so frank and really show their friendship.
Above isn't really targeted at Boss - I think bad jokes are only bad once they're finished and the professionalism argument is also dead weight. The main concern of most seems to be that SC2 won't be popular in the mainstream because of Tastosis's quirks, and I think it might be popular because of it. Most sports fans hate their commentators, trust me. I feel incredibly lucky with the GSL.
Sweeping generalization followed by a trust me? Please tell me you did not just do that. I would like to know which sports casters (other than Joe Buck) you speak of. I guess the sports teams I follow should consider themselves lucky.
Being original isn't easy. Especially when it comes to Comedy.
There is nothing original about what Dan and Nick do. Most of the jokes they dish out are references to cult flicks. If that style of humor speaks to you so be it. I'm not the only one who thinks some of their jokes are bad. Dan and Nick even readily admit to some of their bad jokes. At least they're honest about it. In strong doses I find it over-excessive.
The real snag is when other commentators try to copy their style. It doesn't work for everybody.
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On July 17 2011 00:11 leakingpear wrote:
I sure wish people with contentious opinions that aren't based on anything but personal taste would stop presenting their opinions as 'truth' or 'fact'. It's self congratulatory narcissism that taints anything else you purport as fact, regardless of whether it is actually a fact or not.
This. Was just about to write something similar (although would probably have worded it a bit less... aggressive lol). It's just the opinion of one guy but it's made to sound as though it's a universal fact...
I for one like the "dumb" jokes for the most part, although I definitely see room for improvement. After watching wolf and the various co-casters, I realized that I was relieved to see tastosis come back. They do joke around alot but they mix in alot more facts and analysis and I never get the feeling that something other than the game is in focus for the commentary, as, for example, Wolf and QXC did on a few occasions. I did enjoy their casts but found myself distracted from the game, as if their jokes were more important than what actually went on in the game which sort of bugged me.
Liked most of the write-up though, interesting read. Wish you best of luck and hope that other pro-teams (and their sponsors) will follow your example and be able send their players to korea.
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lol at the team bench part. No wonder why they sat there nicely without any movements.
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Excellent write-up. I think the point made about Code A Qualifiers is particularly valuable for everyone, especially teams and their managers.
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The whole caster topic to me is a matter of foriegn esports still not being anything close to professional. We've got a long way to go. The foreign SC2 scene relies far too heavily on this website and Tastosis.
We'll get there eventually i hope.
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On July 16 2011 22:49 FlyingDJ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2011 15:41 FXOpen wrote:
Its definitely something that wouldnt happen in Australia or the united states. Or malaysia for that matter. I was impressed. What? How long have you been in Malaysia? I have received countless gifts during my stay there. Malaysians are some of the most welcoming and friendly people I have come across.
I live in Malaysia.....
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I have an idea, how about players/casters/famous people who don't want to be disturbed wear a red card or similar around their neck?
That way people will know they are preparing for a game/cast and won't be offended when they are shunned. Could also work the other way around, with a green card if they feel they want to meet fans. I don't exactly feel sorry for the famous people, but it sounds like a pratical solution to the problem mentioned in the post. I expect that most sc2 people would be mature and respect such a thing.
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FXOpen Australia. July 17 2011 02:20. Posts 782 PM Profile Quote #
On July 16 2011 22:49 FlyingDJ wrote:
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What? How long have you been in Malaysia? I have received countless gifts during my stay there. Malaysians are some of the most welcoming and friendly people I have come across.
I live in Malaysia.....
nice ownage,
And thx very much for the writeup
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