EPTThe Korean Experience by FXOBoSs - Page 14
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holyvenom
United States5 Posts
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kazie
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Executor1
1353 Posts
On July 15 2011 16:27 Devolved wrote: The main problem I have with the English casting is how they talk down to the players. Most casters are guilty of this, but especially Wolf, and most of the time he's not even strategically correct. I can hardly remember a game where he doesn't say how bad a certain player was when he's missing a drop in the main or just doesn't understand exactly what it is the player is doing. I don't mind a player being criticized when he is making blatant mistakes, but I do mind a player being criticized for the simple fact that he lost a battle, or is falling behind in the game when they are competing against some of the best players in the world. I agree alot of times before the game has even started he is critisizing the players, calling the game and saying "clide is bad"(round of 32 this season) or something of that nature. Although tasteosis show bias towards certain players they usually go on facts, like "this player hasnt been performing well in this , this and this or has lost X amount of games out of his past 10" Its not nearly as bad as wolf. I think wolf is a decent caster, but he could be a whole lot better casting is huge for me, when it was only tasteosis casting i watched every single day of GSL, now i could go either way when its someone else other then tasteosis casting the GSL (although i do love QXC cast so i dont miss those ever) but wolf definitely needs some improvements, i have this problem with all the new casters in GSL though, ill start out liking them (or hating them) and then ill start to notice all the things they are doing wrong or start to get annoyed by some of their tendencies its happened with DOA(hated then started to like more) , Moletrap (especially) , Kelly (hated at first , then started to like then started to notice annoying things) and now Wolf for sure too i thought he was hilarious at first and now i could go either way on watching his casts. Dont get me wrong though wolf seems like a great guy and outside of casting i would find him hilarious / he would probably be someone i would hang out with but for casting i have certain expectations and they arent met by many casters in the english speaking world yet. Tasteosis are pretty much the only casters i can say that i dont have any real crisiticm for (i can overlook any of their annoying tendencies) I used to like Day9 but hes been having serious problems with volume recently he just yells way too much and im constantly having to readjust my volume, also hes gotten really goofy constantly giggling to himself and he wont even say what hes giggling about sometimes, and bragging about immature pranks on progamers at MLG i dunno if Day9 stopped the funny business and adjusted his volume he could easily be my favourite caster , but recently that just isnt the case at all =(. Djwheat althoug lacks some knowledge has a very proffesional feel to him and is someone i dont have much cristicm for, he just has ALOT of experience with casting. | ||
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Demonace34
United States2493 Posts
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SoKHo
Korea (South)1081 Posts
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dragoon
United States695 Posts
On July 15 2011 16:36 FXOpen wrote: Its true on a communal extent. People love artosis and tasteless cos they are artosis and tasteless. They are gamers, for gamers. Broader picture if money is to continue streaming into gaming, there has to be some level of professionalism where the sappy jokes are eliminated. As I stated, good jokes, are good. Good commentary is better. But there is no room for 'tasteless' or even 'vulgar' jokes. Its a somewhat bad image, and usually its the bad things people pick up on... I don't agree partly with this. As Azzur said, it's how things work in the West. Not just with casting, but people in the West are less professional as a general consensus. You proved this when you said that many of the residents of the Korean community (on the streets, etc) seemed very solemn or depressing. However, in the US(?) people on the streets range from wealthy lawyers, to drunk-on-life middle aged women/men. The English cast is just fine imo. Also, in my experience, you never know a joke isn't funny until it's too late^^ just my 2 cents. | ||
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Freeheals
United States488 Posts
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gozima
Canada602 Posts
When do you ever hear commentators from NA calling other NA players bad/terrible during a major tournament? | ||
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AzureD
United States320 Posts
Where do you live? I live in a small suburban town and stuff like this happens all the time. One time I forgot to pay for my meal at an Arby's and I left the restaurant and then came back in to pay for it. They wanted to give me a free milk shake for doing that. | ||
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adeptz
Australia220 Posts
On July 16 2011 04:48 FabledIntegral wrote: Fyi, Caesar salads are awful for you! In fact, an entree caesar salad is actually worse for you (of course, it varies) typically than ordering a cheeseburger! Don't order caesar salads, they're actually one of the biggest "steer clear of"when you're dieting :S. And it's not "healthy fat" or any of that shit, it's just really flat out bad. This man speaks the truth! Salads with italian dressing are much healthier in comparison, fxoboss. | ||
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Mazeltov
United States26 Posts
On July 15 2011 15:41 FXOpen wrote: Thirdly English casting. Although 90% of the time the english cast is done well, there are a bunch of things that need to change. The cast needs to be more scheduled and less random. The crappy jokes need to stop (not the good ones, just the crappy ones). Heres a pointer, if you are laughing mid joke at your own joke, its probably not funny. It also needs to bring more insight into the game, more facts more figures and probably a 3rd person. Agreed it should only be Tastosis casting, the FXO crews ( Wolf, Unstable, QXC is pretty good but it's clear you can't be a caster and pro-gamer at the same time) are boring and not particularly knowledgeable. | ||
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Bobble
Australia1493 Posts
On July 16 2011 14:30 Mazeltov wrote: Agreed it should only be Tastosis casting, the FXO crews ( Wolf, Unstable, QXC is pretty good but it's clear you can't be a caster and pro-gamer at the same time) are boring and not particularly knowledgeable. You do know that Tastosis can't be the only answer for English casters. You need other couples for the job. Plus, how are you going to get fresh casting blood if you don't let anyone else try? I'm sure we'll upon a casting couple that people may really enjoy. Unstable + QXC anyone? | ||
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Irre
United States646 Posts
On July 15 2011 17:11 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: Also, I agree the casters can be better. Tastosis keep premature GG'ing. That's not fun. It just shows a hint of disrespect to the player (for saying that they have lost the game, while the player himself has not yet decided to type GG), and it destroys "hype". A casters job is to analyze/explain the game and make things more interesting, not to tell the player "ok, I think he's going to give up now". Sure, every now and then is OK in some situations, but they do it almost every single game "Expect GG any second now." Like I mean, why would I want to expect that? I want to hope for an epic comeback, y'know? xD This is actually something I strongly disagree with and one of the main reasons I think Tastosis earns the most respect from their audience other than the fact that they are hilarious and amazing casters overall. I HATE when people try to talk about random scenarios where the player that is clearly dead can come back from some crazy circumstance. Tastosis doesnt treat the viewers like idiots, and they don't waste air time on talking about stuff like that, they fill it with knowledge/entertainment value. This might be a little OT talking about the casting, but since thats the main point of contention in this blog post, I would just like to say its cool that they have been bringing in new people to fill spots for casting and trying new people out. I hope eventually they will stick with peopel that are good, because some of the people have really been very amateurish. So far I think Wolf by far has been the best new blood to come into the GSL and i hope he stays semi permanent. sure he can work on some stuff, but he is actually very good, if you need proof just check how well he did on those solo casts he did. The rest of the casters I can't say were qualified or enjoyable thus far. QXC has some serious potential! | ||
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Hierarch
United States2197 Posts
On July 16 2011 14:30 Mazeltov wrote: Agreed it should only be Tastosis casting, the FXO crews ( Wolf, Unstable, QXC is pretty good but it's clear you can't be a caster and pro-gamer at the same time) are boring and not particularly knowledgeable. But the Leenocktopus cast was pure gold by qxc | ||
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SSeoni
139 Posts
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Shizel
Canada23 Posts
I think in terms of the casting a lot of people aren't looking at the big picture like FXOBoss is. I have tried countless times to get friends and family members interested in watching Starcraft 2 and convince them it's a legitimate sport and form of competition. But I find most of the casts I show them alienate them, and don't foster an environment that creates non-gamer interest. While I love Tastosis with all my heart they are VERY guilty of doing this. A big part of the problem is constantly calling the viewer base nerds, too many constant geeky references, and making mistakes and self correcting. By automatically assuming everyone who watches your cast is a part of a certain demographic your actually alienating those who aren't. Your saying what they are watching isn't for them and they don't belong because your not tailoring what your conveying to them in any way. This type of banter also makes them appear goofy and unprofessional, enhancing the stereotype that Starcraft and gaming in general can't be a legitimate mainstream sport. A good example is when a caster says "For the noobs out there." While us gamers are desensitized to the word someone who isn't apart of our demographic must be slightly offended. You just just as easily say "For the beginners out there," without taking away from your cast, and inviting those who are new to the game to listen to what your saying, as opposed to talking down to them. I personally think casting should be factual information, pre-game info, and consistent play-by-play of whats happening. This requires a ton of pre-game preparation and attention. Save the banter, jokes, and bias for the plethora of Starcraft 2 shows that exist, and perhaps incorporate more pre and post game shows for major events for those of us who enjoy it. As I said, I absolutely adore Tastosis and they are the reason I started watching Starcraft 2 competitively, however; most of their fans (myself included) were already gamers, and Starcraft fans, which is why the appealed to us so strongly, and continue to do so. But our goal is to bring Esports to a wider audience and when you make anything mainstream you have to water it down, especially in the modern market. Were going to have to make sacrifices for this to work. I can honestly say I get a ton of enjoyment watching Starcraft 1 with korean commentary without even understanding what they were saying. They manage to convey so much emotion and excitement based on whats happening currently in the game, and make the cast ABOUT THE GAME, and not about themselves. I believe this is how you bring Starcraft 2 to a larger audience, by focusing on the gameplay, strategy, and technical requirements. I think foreign casters need to begin gearing towards this style of casting to help Esports grow, and it's popularity in Korean culture is a prime example of how these methods work. | ||
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Daniel C
Hong Kong1606 Posts
On July 16 2011 05:17 Piledriver wrote: This, this ...so much this. A lot of people behave like sheep having no opinions of their own, and choose to blindly parrot whatever tastosis say on the stream, the recent games between Zenio and Hongun being a prime example. On the other hand, Clide is on of the most overrated players ever to exist on the face of earth, but whenever he does the smallest thing Tastosis start drooling all over him, and a bunch of sheep just blindly spam the LR thread with the same opinion. At this point I don't know who I am angry at...Tastosis for their biased commentary style, or the sheep who infest the LR thread on every GSL playday. I think everybody knows that the Clide thing is just a joke. But I do agree in general though, the opinion of TLers in the LR thread is basically 90% of what Tastosis said. | ||
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Deleted User 123474
292 Posts
That is the only complaint I can think of in regards to Tasteosis. They are respectful of each other but point out mistakes of the other if they are relevant. They correct their own mistakes (take notes, TotalBiscuit and DJWheat!) if they are important. They make few mistakes and they call battles, builds, and engagements accurately, for the most part. Most importantly, they are funny and recognize when they are not funny. The latter is important because it reassures viewers that they are not idiots. Wolf is okay, but could take some pointers, especially the last one I mentioned above. Unstable is boring. Wolf/Unstable is just bearable due to the quality of the games. On the point about Tasteosis assuming viewers are players/"nerds", I think the assumption was rock-solid until recently, but they should definitely think about changing it. I find their "nerd-crusher", "nerd baller" jokes hilarious, but non-"gamers" may find them off-putting. | ||
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Pipeline
Sweden1673 Posts
The story with the milk and the market lady warmed my heart! | ||
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FXOpen
Australia1844 Posts
That leaves 9/10 left. If thats insulting then how is one meant to get through life and advance as a person? | ||
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