[Update] Raidcall situation - Page 5

On July 14 2011 02:16 Morfildur wrote:


You always know how to put it into good words, but i'll still explain it a little further:
They are overlays, but just a totally different kind of overlays.

Most casters actually use irfanview with "Always on Top", "No Menu" and "No Borders" enabled while SC2 runs in Windowed (/Windowed-Fullscreen) mode. This way the caster overlay has no influence on SC2 at all. It's an extra window lying on top.

The voice chat overlays (not just raidcall, i remember TS and Ventrillo had similar) are directly hooking into the rendering process and _could_ modify the information you get, like removing objects or changing textures (for example giving cloaked units a clearly visible texture or - depending on how SC2 is programmed - remove the fog). There is no way for SC2 to know what that overlay exactly does, so Blizzard has to assume the worst.

I think Blizzard will unban those accounts as soon as they exactly know what it does. All they know atm is that there is an application that is hooking into the graphics engine and does who-knows-what.

A) They can ban you for any given time if you violate the terms.
B) Log your IP address banning future accounts.
C) Don't be stupid, follow a companies ToS if you sign them.

On July 14 2011 02:39 Inori wrote:

Funny thing is that almost no hackers got hit by this ban wave.

On July 14 2011 00:22 svefnleysi wrote:
While it sucks that people get banned for using stuff like Raidcall, I think Blizzard has to draw the line somewhere.

Something that creates an overlay can be abused, and while it sometimes isn't, having to evaluate each case would make catching people who do abuse it infinitely harder for Blizzard.

I just wish Blizzard would communicate better what is and isn't allowed and then enforce it.

Like the MPQ editing. It's against the TOS but Blizzard doesn't seem to care. I'd prefer it if Blizzard acted on it, because people will keep stretching the limits of what they can and can't do.

On July 14 2011 02:38 Derez wrote:
It's reasonable to assume that SC2 and blizzard have only limited capability to detect 'tampering' due to DX/OGL overlays, and I doubt they're able to tell the difference between a overlay designed for maphacks and one for voicecomms. After all, it was coded as a game, not as a full security software suite. I honestly wouldn't count on any exceptions being made for any programs in the future, you just won't be able to use any DX/OGL overlays that hook up directly into SC2. Which isn't exactly the end of the world.

Did any people get perma banned or is it all 2-3 day bans?

On July 14 2011 02:47 Navillus wrote:


Why? Just don't do anything that Blizz is officially against and let others do it at their own risk, I think Blizz should enforce what they see as an actual problem, they obviously can't allow MPQ editing because they don't want to deal with all the figuring out who's doing what and how far they're going, but I don't see why they should go out of their way to get people who are just changing the menu.

On July 14 2011 02:59 Johnthebold2 wrote:
Perma ban here as well. This is the latest response to my help ticket with Blizzard.

"As this issue has been reviewed by multiple representatives, it is now considered closed. Should you have any questions regarding a different account or issue, please feel free to contact us again. However, further inquiries regarding this issue will no longer receive a reply."

On July 14 2011 03:11 Dalguno wrote:
So my question is, how do they know you're using RaidCall?

On July 14 2011 02:38 Derez wrote:


It's reasonable to assume that SC2 and blizzard have only limited capability to detect 'tampering' due to DX/OGL overlays, and I doubt they're able to tell the difference between a overlay designed for maphacks and one for voicecomms. After all, it was coded as a game, not as a full security software suite. I honestly wouldn't count on any exceptions being made for any programs in the future, you just won't be able to use any DX/OGL overlays that hook up directly into SC2. Which isn't exactly the end of the world.

Did any people get perma banned or is it all 2-3 day bans?

On July 14 2011 00:48 ArcticVanguard wrote:
What happens to people who use steam? Since it has an overlay, I mean. That has me rather worried since I run SC2 from steam.