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It would appear that this false positive is being cleared up - there have been plenty of reports about people banned for this reason getting their bans reversed. From what Ive been able to find out, players should not be banned for using this program in the future...
-Jinro
+ Show Spoiler [Old Info] +Double Super Mod Edit: Looks like people are starting to get their bans reverted.MOD EDIT For clarification: On July 14 2011 02:16 Morfildur wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2011 02:08 Liquid`Jinro wrote:On July 14 2011 02:06 noob styles wrote:On July 14 2011 02:00 Morfildur wrote:On July 14 2011 01:31 noob styles wrote:On July 14 2011 01:27 Scipaeus121212 wrote:
Maybe a stupid question, but what are the "overlays"? Im not really sure what programs are dangerous and what aren't. an overlay is just an image ontop of another eg Day9 has the day9 logo covering replay lengths when hes doing the daily. the image covering the replay length is an overlay This is so horribly wrong... An overlay in this case is a DirectX/OpenGL Hook that changes the output, for example by adding additional (external) information like "who is speaking on the voice chat". It has nothing at all to do with the overlay images Day9 or other casters use. The DX/OGL Hooks plug directly into the game and can do basically anything with the output before it's rendered. Remove objects, remove textures, etc., so the situation is a lot more complex as SC2 can only detect if something is happening between it sending rendering information to the graphics card and the actual rendering, but not what exactly is happening. He asked what an overlay was, I gave the most simple example i could think of. Are you saying that the images casters use to cover up replay lengths are not overlays? Eh, honestly that is what I first assumed they were talking about as well, but pretty clearly its not. And no hes not saying those arent overlays as well, just *not the overlays you are looking for* (/waves hand). Dont need to be defensive~ You always know how to put it into good words, but i'll still explain it a little further: They are overlays, but just a totally different kind of overlays. Most casters actually use irfanview with "Always on Top", "No Menu" and "No Borders" enabled while SC2 runs in Windowed (/Windowed-Fullscreen) mode. This way the caster overlay has no influence on SC2 at all. It's an extra window lying on top. The voice chat overlays (not just raidcall, i remember TS and Ventrillo had similar) are directly hooking into the rendering process and _could_ modify the information you get, like removing objects or changing textures (for example giving cloaked units a clearly visible texture or - depending on how SC2 is programmed - remove the fog). There is no way for SC2 to know what that overlay exactly does, so Blizzard has to assume the worst. I think Blizzard will unban those accounts as soon as they exactly know what it does. All they know atm is that there is an application that is hooking into the graphics engine and does who-knows-what. /Jinro
Me and my friends, never used any cheats/hacks and just got banned from SC2 due to "hacking" (might be because of the raidcall overlay).
Also saw this topic on reddit, several people with the same issue:
http://no.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/io16x/anyone_else_just_get_banned_for_hacking/
Edit: To be safe I suggest ANYONE who doesn't want their account banned to stop using overlays for the time being until we hear an official response about this.
The program in question: http://raidcall.com/
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While it sucks that people get banned for using stuff like Raidcall, I think Blizzard has to draw the line somewhere.
Something that creates an overlay can be abused, and while it sometimes isn't, having to evaluate each case would make catching people who do abuse it infinitely harder for Blizzard.
I just wish Blizzard would communicate better what is and isn't allowed and then enforce it.
Like the MPQ editing. It's against the TOS but Blizzard doesn't seem to care. I'd prefer it if Blizzard acted on it, because people will keep stretching the limits of what they can and can't do.
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Overlays are very often seen by anti hack program as a real hack. I would suggest you mail blizzard and ask if they would be so kind to find a way to exclude the program. It's not likely though. It might also be possible for the program author to change something.
Teamspeak overlay got quite some people banned by punkbuster a couple of years ago.
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I clicked on the link but I'm still not informed what raidcall is.
Is this the site ? + Show Spoiler +
If it is then I can't understand how that can get you banned.
Does it edit MPQ or anything that breaks the TOS of blizzard?
What does the overlay do?
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On July 14 2011 00:27 Inori wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2011 00:22 svefnleysi wrote:
While it sucks that people get banned for using stuff like Raidcall, I think Blizzard has to draw the line somewhere.
Something that creates an overlay can be abused, and while it sometimes isn't, having to evaluate each case would make catching people who do abuse it infinitely harder for Blizzard.
I just wish Blizzard would communicate better what is and isn't allowed and then enforce it.
Like the MPQ editing. It's against the TOS but Blizzard doesn't seem to care. I'd prefer it if Blizzard acted on it, because people will keep stretching the limits of what they can and can't do. Actually the fact that they're "detecting" overlays means that Blizzard is the one that should be punished for breaking the law (the actual law, not stupid TOS that means nothing in court).
Oh here we go again.
Lawyers ahoy!
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The same thing happened to me and a bunch of my friends who use RaidCall. All 7 of us got banned yesterday.
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It's a voice communication program, right?
Mumble also has an overlay, which I typically have enabled... :S
Dunno what the overlay of raidcall exactly does, but I'm guessing it's like the one on Mumble, where it merely shows you an overlay that has the names of the people in the channel you're in, and an icon lights up when they're speaking.
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Yes it is. We figured out pretty quickly the overlay was what caused it.
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Huh, so the Raidcall overlay, it just gives you information on who's talking to you? But nothing about whats going on in the game?
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What is raidcall for those who don't use it?
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On July 14 2011 00:22 svefnleysi wrote:
While it sucks that people get banned for using stuff like Raidcall, I think Blizzard has to draw the line somewhere.
Something that creates an overlay can be abused, and while it sometimes isn't, having to evaluate each case would make catching people who do abuse it infinitely harder for Blizzard.
I just wish Blizzard would communicate better what is and isn't allowed and then enforce it.
Like the MPQ editing. It's against the TOS but Blizzard doesn't seem to care. I'd prefer it if Blizzard acted on it, because people will keep stretching the limits of what they can and can't do.
I don't see how people are confused as to what is allowed on Battle.net. Blizzard clearly states that ANYTHING that modifies the game is illegal and is bannable. Just because they haven't banned you for something you did does not make it okay.
I just don't understand how people want certain things allowed, but still want hackers banned. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. There will always be false-positives and I'm absolutely okay with it.
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On July 14 2011 00:39 SilverPotato wrote:
Huh, so the Raidcall overlay, it just gives you information on who's talking to you? But nothing about whats going on in the game?
Yes, exactly.
On July 14 2011 00:41 Torte de Lini wrote:
What is raidcall for those who don't use it?
Its a free voice-over-ip program, much like ventrilo but without the need for the same kind of server setup.
On July 14 2011 00:41 denzelz wrote:
I don't see how people are confused as to what is allowed on Battle.net. Blizzard clearly states that ANYTHING that modifies the game is illegal and is bannable. Just because they haven't banned you for something you did does not make it okay.
I just don't understand how people want certain things allowed, but still want hackers banned. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. There will always be false-positives and I'm absolutely okay with it.
Raidcall doesn't modify the game, it only provides an overlay.
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What about music programs which have overlay options? ie Jaangle. Is this the same thing or am i way off?
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On July 14 2011 00:45 CravenRaven wrote:
What about music programs which have overlay options? ie Jaangle. Is this the same thing or am i way off?
Think you should stay away from those for the time being...
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On July 14 2011 00:42 SpectraL wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2011 00:39 SilverPotato wrote:
Huh, so the Raidcall overlay, it just gives you information on who's talking to you? But nothing about whats going on in the game? Yes, exactly. Show nested quote +On July 14 2011 00:41 Torte de Lini wrote:
What is raidcall for those who don't use it? Its a free voice-over-ip program, much like ventrilo but without the need for the same kind of server setup. Show nested quote +On July 14 2011 00:41 denzelz wrote:
I don't see how people are confused as to what is allowed on Battle.net. Blizzard clearly states that ANYTHING that modifies the game is illegal and is bannable. Just because they haven't banned you for something you did does not make it okay.
I just don't understand how people want certain things allowed, but still want hackers banned. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. There will always be false-positives and I'm absolutely okay with it. Raidcall doesn't modify the game, it only provides an overlay.
Maphacks also just provide an overlay.
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What happens to people who use steam? Since it has an overlay, I mean. That has me rather worried since I run SC2 from steam.
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Are these people serious? The main reason internet developed the way it did, it's because the freedom it provides. He was not cheating so stfu.
Also TOS mean nothing hahaha.
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On July 14 2011 00:47 denzelz wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2011 00:42 SpectraL wrote:On July 14 2011 00:39 SilverPotato wrote:
Huh, so the Raidcall overlay, it just gives you information on who's talking to you? But nothing about whats going on in the game? Yes, exactly. On July 14 2011 00:41 Torte de Lini wrote:
What is raidcall for those who don't use it? Its a free voice-over-ip program, much like ventrilo but without the need for the same kind of server setup. On July 14 2011 00:41 denzelz wrote:
I don't see how people are confused as to what is allowed on Battle.net. Blizzard clearly states that ANYTHING that modifies the game is illegal and is bannable. Just because they haven't banned you for something you did does not make it okay.
I just don't understand how people want certain things allowed, but still want hackers banned. Sorry, but it doesn't work that way. There will always be false-positives and I'm absolutely okay with it. Raidcall doesn't modify the game, it only provides an overlay. Maphacks also just provide an overlay.
Maphacks also leech information from starcraft2 to supply information to that overlay, its not the same thing
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I mean I don't see the need to run an overlay to see who you are talking to.... shouldn't you know that anyway and is it that inconvenient to tab out for a millisecond to see if it is that important?
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