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danana
United States321 Posts
On July 28 2011 00:08 Sqq wrote: That must be devastating  I wonder what the dps would be on a unit affected by storm and fungal at the same timeI've done a 3v3 where we vortexed a huge cloud of void rays, then fungaled and stormed them all. that was hilarious, even though we ended up losing (we were too far behind already) | ||
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Pwnographics
New Zealand1097 Posts
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oberhofer
Germany98 Posts
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bmn
886 Posts
On July 25 2011 23:48 Ashes wrote: I don't know whats wrong with me. I am a protoss (silver leaguer :D ). I play this game for fun and generally play 4 v 4 (i am gold in that lol) or 4v4 monobattles. Lately I have this addiction of only killing my enemies workers. So I have been offracing as terran and I get a strange build with I build 1 rax, and then 2 --3 factories with 2 reactors and 1 techlab, go mass blue flamed hellions and suicide them to kill all the enemy workers(literally all of the 4 enemies). I build like 20-30 hellions lol.and use move command to get into their mineral line. Now the funny thing. after killing all their wprkers. I just leave the game. I dont know whats wrong with me. killing drones is my fav part, since they make a screaming noise while dying..I really need to get over this addiction. I remember 2 months back I was so serious abt 1v1 that i used to watch vods and prac like crazy.. Damn this Nothing wrong with having fun, nothing at all. There's no reason you need to be good on the ladder if you don't see any yourself -- you're not getting paid to play, after all. But: You do realize that the only reason you can do your strategy and have fun is *because* you quit your games, right? Because the more successful your strategy is, if it'd win you games, the quicker you'll face stronger opponents, and this will not work very often once you hit at a certain level. By just quitting you're much more likely to stay at a level where it works fine. (Since it's 4v4, your team might win anyway, and you'd get the points, but it's less likely after you quit.) | ||
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bmn
886 Posts
On July 26 2011 19:30 Probe1 wrote: Also abuse ledges, bunker rush into hellion into banshee, take half your scvs with you and mule up like all hell. Win, don't be honorable. Don't let my whine persuade you to underplay your power. Why? Unless you're playing a tournament or practicing for one (or a showmatch, etc.), why all the performance pressure? Nothing wrong with playing for the win without caring about anything else, but if you suggest that then I don't see where you'd draw a line if exploiting a bug works just as well. Also, if you're looking for easy wins, cheesing is much more efficient than playing standard games (even while abusing terrain) on the ladder: You'll win even at high levels, and your games are shorter, so you get more wins/hour (which is good for your MMR as long as you're doing >50% win rate). And cheesing can get you into GM on NA -- you'll need good general skills to back it up, of course, but it's still easier to be good at cheese than to be good at standard games. But there's nothing intrinsically "good" about winning. Play as it suits your motivation, don't play to meet arbitrary Blizzard-defined metrics (points, rank, league, MMR, etc.). My best match-up by far is ZvZ, and I have a solid build I often use and understand pretty well. But sometimes I feel like having a laugh, and I'll play ZvZ with one-base muta expand (with at most 2 lings before mutas) for a while -- with no attempts to stop enemy scouting. It's a bad build, but I find it hilarious to do every now and then. It takes much more skill to win with than my regular build does, since you're so far behind that pulling off a win is much harder -- and it's not cheese, I make no attempt at blocking my ramp, proxying my spire, etc. I've learned a lot about sim cities while doing this, and actually about the matchup in general -- I have a much better understanding of the power of mutalisks now, as well as an understanding of how terrible they are if your opponent plays it right. While I already knew it in theory, playing from behind like this taught to understand intuitively how bad one-base aggression is for Zerg, because I'd see from the other perspective how easy it is to beat people whose attacks I held off -- even if I lost most of my drones in the process -- until my mutas popped. I learned a lot about how quickly ZvZ can turn if the player in the lead gets just a little too greedy, etc. It doesn't get me all the wins, but damn it's fun to play, and I'd argue that my opponents enjoy these games a lot more than my standard build, which is much more abusive towards my opponent. (It punishes hatch first, punishes any drone micro mistakes, sloppy overlord scouting, and anyone who guessed wrong as to what I was going for, all while being relatively safe for me. It's not a cheese, but there's a few common ladder mistakes that make it an easy win for me.) | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
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pullarius1
United States523 Posts
So we are finally at the point where it is mathematically possible for all 32 of the original Code S players to have been replaced, and 2/3 of them already have been. Exactly 10 from Code S January remain: Nestea, HongUn, MC, Ensnare, Zenio, Kyrix, Genius, Nada, Clide, not including MVP because he fell out and came back in. A list of the original 32 and the season they were demoted in: + Show Spoiler + Nestea HongUn MC Ensnare Zenio Kyrix Genius Nada Clide Tester Inca 4 Anypro 4 Fruit 4 MarineKing 4 RainBow 3 TheWind 3 Check 3 Jinro 3 San 3 Boxer 2 Choya 2 TheBEst 2 Hyperdub 2 MVP 2 Idra 2 LiveForever 1 Leenock 1 Rain 1 Maka 1 Polt 1 JookTo 1 LegalMind 1 A list of the current Code S players, and the season they made it in: + Show Spoiler + Original Code S: Nestea HongUn MC Ensnare Zenio Kyrix Genius Nada Clide Tester UpAndDown Jan 2011 July Byun UpAndDown March 2011 Huk Virus Killer Alicia SuperNova Losira UpAndDown May 2011 Keen Coca Alive Violet MVPII Bomber UpAndDown July 2011 Code A Champ- Puzzle Ryung Happy Noblesse/Cute Asd/Nuclear | ||
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pullarius1
United States523 Posts
On July 28 2011 22:30 opisska wrote: Can someone explain in one or two sentences, why does the whole TL so unprecedently love DongRaeGu? I tried finding it out myself, but anything that I could find was just out-of-context mentions or straight up praise for this guy who has no indivitual achievements at all. Is it all because of his performance in GSTL? Is it reasonable to extrapolate this to individual leagues (that are significantly different, at least in the way oponents are chosen)? . He won the LG 3D Special League http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/leagues/1534_2011_LG_3D_Special_League , which was especially memorable because it had a very competitive finals shown just before the 4-0 trouncing of MMA. Aside from that, all of his wins have been in the GSTL, where he has been a beast at 11-1. He is also 4th in ELO on the TLPD | ||
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Yoddy
Germany20 Posts
On July 28 2011 01:26 whoopingchow wrote: If Terran had units that could Fungal, that'd be insanely imba. :D haha,sry had some type error there :D - Hmh, in 4v4 ( or maybe 3v3 also)..isnt 4x Terran with Fast Ghost MMM into Nukes imba? I mean, just imagine you hear the nuke sound like 10 times :D | ||
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RaLakedaimon
United States1564 Posts
 Anyone recommend some GSL or MLG games I missed that are must see I've been out for a while? | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
 Also, some of the 4v4 maps ramps are nonsense. Blizz should check them because they make early lings way too OP. | ||
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Belha
Italy2850 Posts
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10366 Posts
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rickybobby
United States405 Posts
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Excalibursin-X
United States20 Posts
They do have 2 armor instead of 1 and obviously they can be moved and burrowed (12 seconds required.) And honestly I don't think that offsets the negative attributes they have in comparison. This really deters me from using Spine Crawlers even though I know I might need some. Thoughts? | ||
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scudst0rm
Canada1149 Posts
On July 28 2011 22:30 opisska wrote: Can someone explain in one or two sentences, why does the whole TL so unprecedently love DongRaeGu? I tried finding it out myself, but anything that I could find was just out-of-context mentions or straight up praise for this guy who has no indivitual achievements at all. Is it all because of his performance in GSTL? Is it reasonable to extrapolate this to individual leagues (that are significantly different, at least in the way oponents are chosen)? White people love DongRaeGu, because he makes sCfOu look like Combat-EX. | ||
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lizzard_warish
589 Posts
On July 28 2011 19:45 bmn wrote: You should exploit bugs to win, see no farther than muta micro in brood war for an example. If its an obtuse kind of bug which is rigged it will be patched, if its the other variation, its smart strategy or unit innovation.Why? Unless you're playing a tournament or practicing for one (or a showmatch, etc.), why all the performance pressure? Nothing wrong with playing for the win without caring about anything else, but if you suggest that then I don't see where you'd draw a line if exploiting a bug works just as well. | ||
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retrox
France4 Posts
On July 29 2011 05:28 Excalibursin-X wrote: Why is is that Spine Crawlers cost the same as Photon Cannons (100+50) yet they are almost purely worse? Their DPS is lower on normal targets (although their bonus damage vs armored gives them a 16.2 DPS to the Photon Cannons 16), they aren't detectors and they can't attack air, forcing you to use more money for Spore Crawlers if necessary. They do have 2 armor instead of 1 and obviously they can be moved and burrowed (12 seconds required.) And honestly I don't think that offsets the negative attributes they have in comparison. This really deters me from using Spine Crawlers even though I know I might need some. Thoughts? If the game was balanced on a unit-by-unit or structure-by-structure basis, all we would have is mirrors across the board. Glad it's not the case. | ||
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iNSiPiD1
United States140 Posts
On July 29 2011 05:28 Excalibursin-X wrote: Why is is that Spine Crawlers cost the same as Photon Cannons (100+50) yet they are almost purely worse? Their DPS is lower on normal targets (although their bonus damage vs armored gives them a 16.2 DPS to the Photon Cannons 16), they aren't detectors and they can't attack air, forcing you to use more money for Spore Crawlers if necessary. They do have 2 armor instead of 1 and obviously they can be moved and burrowed (12 seconds required.) And honestly I don't think that offsets the negative attributes they have in comparison. This really deters me from using Spine Crawlers even though I know I might need some. Thoughts? It looks to me like you're just ignoring whatever the value of being able to move them around and transfuse them is. Those two things add a lot to the value of the Spines. | ||
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iky43210
United States2099 Posts
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