EPTHuK Wins Attributed to Foreigners or Korea? - Page 5
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
Hard Work doesn't equal a win. Huk could practice 5 hours a day and beat most Americans if they played 10-15 hours a day. Why? Practice environment. NA/EU ladder is not the same as KR ladder and practicing with oGs members in customs. If Huk played his same 10 hours of practice in the west, he would not be as good as he is right now. | ||
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Parcelleus
Australia1662 Posts
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EGfanBoi!DemuFtw
United Kingdom46 Posts
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Excerpt "HuK's win was not just his own that day. For many, HuK's victory at Dreamhack was an indicator that the western world was keeping up. Months had passed since a foreigner had won a StarCraft tournament with South Korean participants, and HuK had come through in a pinch when morale amongst foreign fans was starting to diminish. As a result, the fanfare was through the roof. The fervor of the 80,000 StarCraft II fans that watched live was hard to ignore. Twitter was ablaze with expected congratulations and post game comments from fans, Reddit's Starcraft page had HuK's face splattered all over the front page, and TeamLiquid's Dreamhack post was growing by about two pages every minute. Everyone was spilling their hearts and sharing their love, for we had finally proven that foreign players could hang with the South Koreans. Kind-of-sort-of? Maybe? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ehm,i dont really get this, hes pretty much korean himself in terms of playing sc2, he has lived there pretty much since the start of sc2, the west isnt keeping up but is doing alot more for the sc2 community than korea. | ||
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Eknoid4
United States902 Posts
@Elsid, it does matter because of where he lives and the training environment he's in. It's not because of KOREA it's because of the practice partners he has and the fact that his entire life is built around practicing sc2. Korea matters because that's the only place that happens. I think you're overplaying what people mean. | ||
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BronKo
Germany14 Posts
i see him winning the gsl within the next 3 years if he keeps playin like this. | ||
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Dariusz
Poland657 Posts
Everyone was spilling their hearts and sharing their love, for we had finally proven that foreign players could hang with the South Koreans. It was never a question. I see no room for discussion here. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
Are wins from foreigners who have spent time training or living in Korea really able to be attributed to foreigners, or are they just another testament to the Korean methods of training? It's a false dichotomy. Both are true.The celebration for foreigners is that a foreigner is able to go to Korea, train effectively well with Koreans and as a result become as good. If you think that's easy, go try it. The next level of celebration for foreigners would be if they could create training conditions within their own countries that are able to produce such results. This will happen eventually, but it takes time. | ||
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Stress
United States980 Posts
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
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Dracolich70
Denmark3820 Posts
However, excessive training will be detrimental in some ways. Doing (E)sports is not only about your training, but being in balance as a human being, and sometimes doing completely different stuff will improve your skills, because your subconsciousness will keep working on it, all the while you don't become fatigued from doing the same thing for too long, with little variation, and variation makes a human being happy, which in turn lifts your spirit/motivation, when you do indeed need to train efficiently. This approach quite often makes up for less time training. It is about having the right mix, along with tons of talent, and ability to absorb what you learn. Too much training will not allow the brain(and body) to recuperate at maximum capacity, and therefore not effective compared to the amount of hours you put in. In some ways I think IdrA for example will suffer, while in others he will make up for moving out of Korea. Quite often we see Koreans looking like they haven't slept much(just look at Nada a lot of the time). Sleep is also very important, because while we sleep the brain also analyze the data it has gathered. If you aren't completely rested you can't perform at your optimal capacity. Summa Summarum: Training, nutrition and quality of opponents isn't the whole story in becoming the best you can be, but the right mix in the formula for the given persons persona. | ||
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McKTenor13
United States1383 Posts
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MonkSEA
Australia1227 Posts
On July 02 2011 10:25 SafeAsCheese wrote: Sorry, but at least some of it was korea. Hard Work doesn't equal a win. Huk could practice 5 hours a day and beat most Americans if they played 10-15 hours a day. Why? Practice environment. NA/EU ladder is not the same as KR ladder and practicing with oGs members in customs. If Huk played his same 10 hours of practice in the west, he would not be as good as he is right now. How do you think that oGs got that good? Practice, so it's really every foreigner holding down each other. Not many people practice =/= not many people are as good as koreans who practice =/= lower skill level I can assure you if Koreans took our practice regime(if you could call it that.. Most pros just do whatever they want whenever) they would be as bad as us, and if we adopted theres we would be better then them. | ||
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thepeonwhocould
Australia334 Posts
The reason there is so much confusion is because people look at these terms in 2 different ways. Group A thinks that "Korean means born in korea" "Foreigner means not born in korea" Group B thinks that "Korean means they practiced mostly in korean pro house" "Foreigner means that they practiced in some other environment" The confusion arises because the usual use of a term like korean is what group A thinks. However in the case of Starcraft 2, the country you are born in has no real effect on your skill level. The real determining factor is wether you trained in the korean scene or the foreigner scene. Personally I think people should stop using the terms "korean" and "foreigner", and instead use the terms "korean scene" and "foreigner scene", to avoid confusion. Huk should be known as Canadian, but also as a korean scene player. | ||
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lunchforthesky
United Kingdom967 Posts
On July 02 2011 09:14 Rasky wrote: LOL. Ok.... so when a swedish or russian comes to the CHL to play hockey, are they no longer considered as Russians or Swedes? In the MLB are the Cuba players no longer Cubans? Training where it is best to increase your skills the most is what anyone who wants to succeed in any sport will do. Everyone who doesn't realize that needs to open their eyes what is your point? You still don't get it. Huk is Canadian/American national, he is a foreigner. But most of the his Sc2 training comes from Korea, and the reason he's S-Class as opposed to A/B class like other foreigners is because he's trained in Korea. No one is claiming Huk is a Korean national, but that celebrating this as a victory for the foreign scene is pretty weird seen as Huk has trained and plays in the Korean scene. He is to Canada/America what Lionel Messi is to Argentina. | ||
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Insomni7
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[GiTM]-Ace
United States4935 Posts
On July 02 2011 10:29 EGfanBoi!DemuFtw wrote: Ehm,i dont really get this, hes pretty much korean himself in terms of playing sc2, he has lived there pretty much since the start of sc2, the west isnt keeping up but is doing alot more for the sc2 community than korea. Well atleast in bw foreigners went and lived there but they were only winning tournaments without kors in it. Huk is beating on S class players. I suppose a real success would be a foreigner winning GSL but this is a start. | ||
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AKspartan
United States126 Posts
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Xercen
United Kingdom375 Posts
On July 02 2011 10:55 Insomni7 wrote: Huk's wins are certainly a testament to the Korean method of training, but that does not mean they are not victories for the foreign community. Very few people have claimed that foreigners have a better training regiment than Koreans, but Huk has put a hole in another theory that Koreans somehow are naturally inclined to work harder and have a significant cultural advantage over foreigners. Huk's victory was over this cultural advantage. It was proof that nothing more than a different training routine separates foreigners from Koreans. This may seem obvious, but I believe that it was a sign that many people have been waiting a long time for. Sorry but koreans do actually have a cultural advantage because koreans as well as all other asians have an incredibly strong work ethic to succeed in life. That's why asians usually get top grades because their work ethic is very very strong. It's usually due to very pushy parents. This is nothing to do with genetics though but the korean cultural environment is much better suited to foster starcraft 2 talent than the american or eu scene. Koreans usually play to improve whereas na/eus play to win. Add to that the korean nadal mentality compared with the na/eu andy murray mentality and you have a perfect storm of events. But that doesn't mean na/eu players are bad. It just means at the top of na/eu, the players are nearly as good as the koreans (i mean koreans didn't steamroll us 2-0 everytime ..we had close matches) but the bottom 99% na/eu players are much worse than the botton korean players. but overall, it's all about mentality rather than skill. Federer can't beat nadal but he does have the weapons to beat nadal.....it's just a mental thing. | ||
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reptile
United States210 Posts
Not Korea, not Canada, but HuK. He won for himself and his team, and while he can attribute his win to whatever region he wants, it's still undeniable that the player is who won the tournament, not the region. | ||
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