For the eyes of the majority of TL, a player a foreign is "turned" into a korean, if he lives and practice using the korean methods, and what we want to see, is the same thing happening outside of Korea.

MurMiLLo

United States260 Posts

July 02 2011 00:46 GMT

#64

There's no sense in thinking the west is keeping up with sk if huk wins a tourney. Huk lives and trains with Koreans, not westerners. Meaning he's on par with most koreans.

deerpark87

760 Posts

July 02 2011 00:52 GMT

#65

Ign why are you bringing this topic back ?

poundcakes

Norway239 Posts

July 02 2011 00:54 GMT

#66

I don't understand why all these pro foreigner players that are supposedly really passionate about the game don't start practicing 8 or even 10+ hours a day, and form team houses. If they truly have the competetive drive to become the best in the world they should train like it.

Sadist

United States7242 Posts

July 02 2011 00:55 GMT

#67

On July 02 2011 09:15 VenerableSpace wrote:

Show nested quote +

you made a good point. that guys been trolling for a whlie now just ignore em.

he just copied me ;DDDDDDD

first page ftw

smallerk

897 Posts

July 02 2011 00:56 GMT

#68

HuK wins attributed to huk's hardwork.

that is all.

MonkSEA

Australia1227 Posts

July 02 2011 00:58 GMT

#69

On July 02 2011 09:38 Mayor wrote:
Foreigner team, foreigner player in my opinion. If you alone must decide who the win is attributed to - ask HuK, not us.

So now that Oz has joined FXO, Rain has joined Fnatic.MSI, that means they're foreigners now kkkkk looks like perfect logic right there.

ComusLoM

Norway3547 Posts

July 02 2011 01:01 GMT

#70

No one ever called IdrA a Korean terran in BW. And he spent years on a real team, and was still called a foreigner. To be called a Korean you have to be a Korean living in Korea, or have grown up in Korea. Let's just go by the TSL 2 rules. Being a Korean is not just about the training, it's about growing up in an environment of E-Sports and all the "privileges" that entails.

OsoVega

926 Posts

July 02 2011 01:06 GMT

#71

On July 02 2011 08:48 Elsid wrote:
Does this actually matter?

"foreigners" didn't win it nor did "koreans". The only person who won it is HuK it can't be attributed to anyone else so stop fucking pretending it can :S

Yeah, I really agree with this. No collective of people can assume his accomplishment. There should be no "s" on the end of those words.

Clank

United States548 Posts

July 02 2011 01:06 GMT

#72

Sure HuK has trained in Korea for a few months, but he still counts as a foreigner. If Yao Ming plays in the NBA for a year, he doesnt become American, hes still chinese. Where you train doesn't change your nationality. If Oz and Rain move to the US or out of Korea (i have no clue if they will or not) they wont be considered foreigners, they'd still be Koreans. Just because the Korean system helped HuK out doesnt mean he becomes one of them. But I really hope HuK responds to this thread, i'd be interesting to heard his take on things.

Xercen

United Kingdom375 Posts

July 02 2011 01:07 GMT

#73

On July 02 2011 08:44 Noocta wrote:
There's almost no foreigner who like to train like koreans do.
Hell, even somes koreans can't handle the korean training.

Most foreigner are having fun with SC2, the hardcore koreans are just going soulless into practice. Th western world will never go that far into it, it's not in our culture at all.

i believe the answer to this question = european wow raiding guilds.

Europeans and americans spend a huge amount of time on mmorpgs.

So when you say only koreans can go hardcore with playing games...that's wrong. All humans have that ability.

The only difference between us/european players is that koreans have nadal's mentality while eu/european players ...yeah that's us

.... have the mentality of andy murray

so when nadal fights andy murray...you know what happens

As for innate skill between us/eu and korean players. I believe there is no genetic difference (my degree is in human genetics) BUT koreans and all over asia have these arcades where they have games like guitar hero etc that help you co-ordinate very well.

I've seen girls who are mental on guitar hero over there. Basically, asians start their game training earlier than us/eu players cause taking their girlfriends to these arcades where they have guitar hero etc is very normal over there. That's where i took girls i dated and it's usually arcades or karaoke which is very popular aside from the normal cinema restaurant stuff.

Point is that when people blame genetics...that's bullshit. Everybody can reach the same skill level if you practice hard. I remember watching liquidtyler do some amazing blink stalker play vs zerg and that was some sick stuff. Same with other progamers. They all can play sick but what separates us from koreans is work ethic and mentality,

Look at manchester united...a lot of the players over there get drunk on weekends and mess around. Then you look at Ji Sung Park. He plays to his limit every game ...always working incredibly hard and his work ethic pays dividends. That's why a lot of premiership teams are buying korean players because they know during a season, koreans will always play well on average and that's the type of player you need. A consistent player who works hard and doesn't mess around.

ELA

Denmark4608 Posts

July 02 2011 01:08 GMT

#74

It's funny, so far everyone has called HuK a foreigner - Without exception, but now as he has started to post some serious results, he's suddenly Korean

What a joke

AirbladeOrange

United States2573 Posts

July 02 2011 01:11 GMT

#75

On July 02 2011 09:56 smallerk wrote:
HuK wins attributed to huk's hardwork.

that is all.

I was going to post this. HuK earned it himself with some help from practice partners or other people who support him. Koreans don't have a racial superpower to be better at Starcraft.

spybreak

United States684 Posts

July 02 2011 01:13 GMT

#76

Well one thing is for sure, Huk wasn't able to be this good without the help of Korean training combined with his hard work. Korean or Foreigner, it boils down to Huk's determination and training environment and the "west" can take any credit for it.

BigFan

TLADT24920 Posts

July 02 2011 01:15 GMT

#77

It doesn't matter if Huk is Canadian or not. HuK winning shows that the training regime is what helps the player to be able to reach the top and in this case, Korean training >> all. 60hr of SCII is some crazy stuff!

Barbiero

Brazil5259 Posts

July 02 2011 01:17 GMT

#78

HuK's win proves that it's not the fact that you are born korean that makes you better, but that the environment and the way the person trains and commits to the game is what makes you the best of the best.

Currently, koreans have the best training environment and HuK is training on korea, which means KR > world. But that has nothing to do with "koreans versus white dudes".

I still dream for the day that a black guy dominates the scene.