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HuK Wins Attributed to Foreigners or Korea? - Page 6
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DisaFear
Australia4074 Posts
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
On July 02 2011 10:49 MonkSEA wrote: How do you think that oGs got that good? Practice, so it's really every foreigner holding down each other. Not many people practice =/= not many people are as good as koreans who practice =/= lower skill level I can assure you if Koreans took our practice regime(if you could call it that.. Most pros just do whatever they want whenever) they would be as bad as us, and if we adopted theres we would be better then them. Exactlly. I just fear that it will be hard to establish. I mean, take EG. What if EVERY EG member started practicing 8 hours a day. They would become good, and learn to play against each other extremely well. Then what? Koreans on ladder can face the best GSL code s players, almost all of them are in grandmasters. Who are foreigner teams that seriously practice going to play? Ladder is pointless and tourneys are too spread out. Until there is a large number of foreigner teams who take the game seriously (in terms of practice) to compete with each other, it won't be easy. If we ever hit a point like in korea where the ladder is a pro-gaming level practice area, then it will probably be in Europe and not NA. | ||
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DaemonX
545 Posts
HuK, though a smart and talented player, was nowhere near the level of ability he demonstrates now until he went and trained in SK in SK style for months on end. Foreigners will never be able to compete with SK while we live in the west. Fortunately, it does lay to rest the genetic argument | ||
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
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BasilPesto
Australia624 Posts
On July 02 2011 11:34 DaemonX wrote:Foreigners will never be able to compete with SK while we live in the west. I think there's more to SC2 skill than geographic location. | ||
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Kibibit
United States1551 Posts
On July 02 2011 11:34 DaemonX wrote: Actually, if anything this is final proof of how Koreans are superior. HuK, though a smart and talented player, was nowhere near the level of ability he demonstrates now until he went and trained in SK in SK style for months on end. Foreigners will never be able to compete with SK while we live in the west. Fortunately, it does lay to rest the genetic argument one thing I don't get about this whole argument; Was there EVER a genetic argument, idiots notwithstanding? | ||
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Pinski
United States126 Posts
On July 02 2011 11:34 DaemonX wrote: Actually, if anything this is final proof of how Koreans are superior. HuK, though a smart and talented player, was nowhere near the level of ability he demonstrates now until he went and trained in SK in SK style for months on end. Foreigners will never be able to compete with SK while we live in the west. Fortunately, it does lay to rest the genetic argument Uhm, this doesn't demonstrate how Koreans are superior, all this demonstrates how the Korean style of training/practicing is superior. If Koreans are superior, why is a Canadian able to match their skill? Basically practice like Koreans and you too can be as good as Koreans! | ||
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Rarak
Australia631 Posts
On July 02 2011 11:56 Pinski wrote: Uhm, this doesn't demonstrate how Koreans are superior, all this demonstrates how the Korean style of training/practicing is superior. If Koreans are superior, why is a Canadian able to match their skill? Basically practice like Koreans and you too can be as good as Koreans! I think you misunderstand what he means, you have the same point. | ||
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Duravi
United States1205 Posts
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GMonster
686 Posts
On July 02 2011 11:06 DisaFear wrote: Korea is the Hyperbolic Time Chamber (or whatever it was from Dragon Ball Z) Hey... i use the dbz referrences here lol. Ehh too me it doesnt seem like this was great as far as Foreigner vs Korea and Foreigners are keeping up. If we win 1 tournament every 10 tournaments thats still 10%. Thats all im saying. And yes i relize huk won 2 tournaments back to back. | ||
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Pudge_172
United States1378 Posts
While it would be nice to see the NA ladder become half as good as the KR ladder, the more realistic goal is for enough teams to get enough financial backing to make team houses the norm and be able to find players willing to commit to living in a team house. Until NA players are financially able and emotionally willing to live eat and sleep SC2, they will be behind KR players who sacrifice a lot to be better. | ||
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Traumatizer
Canada16 Posts
Sure you can attribute this win to Huk training with Koreans or you can look at it as there's finally a foreigner with the drive of a Korean. In that sense it is a victory for the foreigners because it shows that it's no longer the Koreans who want to win the most and other countries are taking it just as seriously. | ||
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Desirous
Canada95 Posts
On July 02 2011 09:21 stevarius wrote: Or, you know, a team house such as oGs that fosters player development. I don't like it when people like you discount the fact that a team environment in Korea is exponentially better than sitting on your ass at home. Wow, way to disagree with me while repeating everything I just said in different words, you're a genius. Koreans have just as little will power as foreigners. Otherwise they wouldn't need to go live in some small as shit apartment and sleep in a room full of bunk beds with people they might not even like. Every single thing you can get from a practice house in terms of making your game play better, you can get online. The only thing you can't get, is the focus. You lose a ladder game at your home, you go watch tv to cool off. You lose a ladder game in a practice house, you watch replays, watch vods, play more ladder, play vs other tenants. | ||
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Corsica
Ukraine1854 Posts
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Gracksaurusrex
United Kingdom171 Posts
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Corsica
Ukraine1854 Posts
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AnalThermometer
Vatican City State334 Posts
The issue here is the quality of training, its the reason NA pros play on EU ladder and not the other way round. Foreign players are wasting their time by getting the impression their builds and play style are correct, when actually their opponents suck balls. | ||
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Evangelist
1246 Posts
Look at manchester united...a lot of the players over there get drunk on weekends and mess around. Then you look at Ji Sung Park. He plays to his limit every game ...always working incredibly hard and his work ethic pays dividends. That's why a lot of premiership teams are buying korean players because they know during a season, koreans will always play well on average and that's the type of player you need. A consistent player who works hard and doesn't mess around. I love Park Ji Sung like a brother but he is absolutely leagues behind players like Nani, Ronaldo and Paul Scholes even on his best day, and in all honesty there are also plenty of English and Irish players that will run and run and run and run forever The Korean work ethic cannot overcome natural skill, and Park Ji Sung is probably the best Korean football player on the planet - both former captain of the national team and having studied with the benefit of the best footballing coaches on the planet, those of the EPL. He's also still Korean. He's not Mancunian. I don't think there's anything separating the top EU/US players from the top Korean players other than a lack of a structure supporting pro-e sports. They can take that on as a career over there and get pretty well paid for it. The esports scene over here is just not well developed enough to support the kind of bottom heavy enhancement it needs. The difference between the two scenes is not the skill level. It is the amount of time each side has to prepare. Of the pro-gamers you all know of, how many of them make more than 30k a year - a basic living wage that I will get from the first year of being a physics teacher? | ||
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jimjimchoi
Korea (South)45 Posts
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aquanda
United States477 Posts
On July 14 2011 05:30 jimjimchoi wrote: lol huk just lost to mc in the gsl his home story cup win is less significant now. mc was jet lagged too. manner up please... | ||
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