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On July 14 2011 07:51 suejak wrote:
Yeah, I'd say it's obviously a testament to Korean training environments. It's just cool because HuK is white.
However, the coolest part is how long this road has been for HuK. If you've followed him since the beta like a lot of us, he used to DOMINATE in NA. When the ladder was be-all-end-all important, he topped it constantly. Then he went to Korea and sorta dropped off the radar for several months. Seeing him come back after all the time and demonstrate just how good he's become, winning tournaments against Koreans, etc, is kinda moving -- one of our best has gone through what it took to become one of THEIR best. So now he's one of the best in the world, rather than simply the best in NA.
Pretty cool.
LONG?
LOL, not saying you're wrong since time is relative to each person, but you just made a LOT of the members here who've been following starcraft for a decade feel really old I'll bet.
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All HuK wins should be attributed to oGsMC imo
On a more serious note; if you think Huk would be half as good as he is now if he just practiced playing ladder games for the same amount of time you're only kidding yourself. The reason he's the player he is now is because he practices 12 hours a day with some of the best starcraft players in the world. His own dedication is obviously a huge factor, but you remove the other people and he'd be a lot worse than he is now.
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Huks wins attributed to MC for allowing Huk to be his warp prisma and having his awesome aura rubbing off on Huk
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All Huk wins should be attributed to Huk. This thread is disgusting.
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So if every foreigner were to eventually step up their practice regime to keep up with Koreans, do all foreigners become Koreans?
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On July 14 2011 08:08 smokeyhoodoo wrote:
All Huk wins should be attributed to Huk. This thread is disgusting.
I agree...his success shows that you don't have to be of Korean blood to be at their level, does it really matter where he comes from? It's not like he's out there representing Canada, he's representing himself and his team.
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Huk is considered a korean by gaming standards, he practices with them and in the same mindset as them, therefore attributing him as a foreigner by skill standards is not accurate representation of the situation
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I think what people are saying about the help of ogsmc, is that, recently, Huk has started to train sitting next to MC and talking with him all time. Before, the liquid guys trained together. Training with MC could have been the difference between TSL, Gsl Wc, gsl may and dh invitational Huk to Hsc and DH summer Huk. Mc himself said (as he would) that he was a large influence.
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On July 14 2011 08:10 Tyrant0 wrote:
So if every foreigner were to eventually step up their practice regime to keep up with Koreans, do all foreigners become Koreans?
If by step up their practice regime you mean moving to Korea and training a in a Korean's team pro house for the majority of their career then yes they become Koreans.
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On July 14 2011 08:14 NotSorry wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2011 08:10 Tyrant0 wrote:
So if every foreigner were to eventually step up their practice regime to keep up with Koreans, do all foreigners become Koreans? If by step up their practice regime you mean moving to Korea and training a in a Korean's team pro house for the majority of their career then yes they become Koreans.
SO I guess Sheth is Korean then as he got through RO32 in Code A coming from US....
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On July 14 2011 08:17 carloselcoco wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2011 08:14 NotSorry wrote:On July 14 2011 08:10 Tyrant0 wrote:
So if every foreigner were to eventually step up their practice regime to keep up with Koreans, do all foreigners become Koreans? If by step up their practice regime you mean moving to Korea and training a in a Korean's team pro house for the majority of their career then yes they become Koreans. SO I guess Sheth is Korean then as he got through RO32 in Code A coming from US....
No, Sheth is obviously "foreigner".
Is it not obvious why HuK is special? It's completely different. He has lived with oGs since like October -- almost a full year.
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On July 14 2011 08:17 carloselcoco wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2011 08:14 NotSorry wrote:On July 14 2011 08:10 Tyrant0 wrote:
So if every foreigner were to eventually step up their practice regime to keep up with Koreans, do all foreigners become Koreans? If by step up their practice regime you mean moving to Korea and training a in a Korean's team pro house for the majority of their career then yes they become Koreans. SO I guess Sheth is Korean then as he got through RO32 in Code A coming from US....
Re-read it, "MAJORITY OF THEIR CAREER" Sheth was there for what 2weeks?
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HuK's wins are attributed to HuK. Just like any other player's achievements before HuK. The long hours he put it in are neither to the "foreigners" or the "Koreans" and as such these debates are the epitome of pointless to have. When we see foreigners putting in the equivalent hours to the Koreans in practice sessions over the course of months, we will see a narrowing of the supposed skill gap in SC2 right now.
Practice is all that matters. Practice more, against good people, and you will get better faster than the people who are neither practicing as much or against competition that will help them learn and get better.
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On July 14 2011 08:17 carloselcoco wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2011 08:14 NotSorry wrote:On July 14 2011 08:10 Tyrant0 wrote:
So if every foreigner were to eventually step up their practice regime to keep up with Koreans, do all foreigners become Koreans? If by step up their practice regime you mean moving to Korea and training a in a Korean's team pro house for the majority of their career then yes they become Koreans. SO I guess Sheth is Korean then as he got through RO32 in Code A coming from US....
Gawd people like you are just so thick. It's been explained so many times what makes you korean. If you are korean by blood, you are korean yes. In the world of sc2, huk is a foreigner in terms of biology. But his training is attributed to the korean method. Why is this so hard for you to comprehend? Huk is a foreigner representing the korean training method. Simple as that. Sheth was there for what? a week? He's a foreigner representing the foreign training method. Doubt he picked up anything worthwhile by being there for 2 weeks. Huk has been there for many many months now. By now he has fully adopted the korean style, which along with personal perseverance, has led to his recent success.
What I see now, is a bunch of sad foreigners using any excuse they can to back up "foreigners are catching up to the koreans, we can still fight and probably overtake them someday. Want an example? Huk at dreamhack". No no and no. Get over your sad self. Huk is demonstrating what hard work and good coaching along with a well structured training schedule can do for you, not that the foreign scene is catching up. The foreign scene will not have a korean type infrastructure for many years if not ever. Having houses is not enough, you need coaches, a timely schedule etc and much more.
Besides huk, the closest person I think to being able to stand up to the koreans is Sen, who guess what? has been training on the korean ladder and has even mentioned practicing in the IM team house. OH SNAP REALLY? Training in a korean house makes you good? Who would have ever guessed?
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On July 14 2011 08:17 carloselcoco wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2011 08:14 NotSorry wrote:On July 14 2011 08:10 Tyrant0 wrote:
So if every foreigner were to eventually step up their practice regime to keep up with Koreans, do all foreigners become Koreans? If by step up their practice regime you mean moving to Korea and training a in a Korean's team pro house for the majority of their career then yes they become Koreans. SO I guess Sheth is Korean then as he got through RO32 in Code A coming from US....
I wish there was a god that dealt with people like you who do not for a second take time to think about what you say before you type it and aggravate people.
I just wish that god would punish you by bursting you into flames as soon as you hit the enter key with your comments
then again people are flaming you now but still that doesn't count
If foreign players practice / LIVE in a house play SC 2 for long periods of time a day with a coach guiding the players in a decent direction then you can say their skill comes from Korean like training but they are still foreigners at the end of the day.
if a foreign team moves to Korea and has a team house in Korea and practice there for period of time without a large amount of Koreans influencing their training then they are still considered foreigners with Korean LIKE training but still foreigners at the end of the day
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How about attributed to HuK himself? Who cares where he got his training and how he got where he is. Who paid for him to get there? Who paid for him to get an education? Who paid for his Starcraft?
HuK's wins... attributed to his parents, teamliquid, korea, canada, USA or scandanavia? You decide.
Pretty clear fail of pointless discussion.
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On July 02 2011 08:47 PartyBiscuit wrote:
HuK is HuK - he represents TL.
All HuK symbolizes, as the dreamhack commentators put (not Day9/Apollo) after his victory is that ANYBODY who trains hard enough in the right environment, can become a champion.
There is nothing left to discuss.
This doesn't just sum it up, this is it right here. Anyone can beat anyone who has enough training/willpower/effort. It's the same ultimate answer every time a thread or story comes up like this.
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On July 14 2011 08:14 NotSorry wrote:Show nested quote +On July 14 2011 08:10 Tyrant0 wrote:
So if every foreigner were to eventually step up their practice regime to keep up with Koreans, do all foreigners become Koreans? If by step up their practice regime you mean moving to Korea and training a in a Korean's team pro house for the majority of their career then yes they become Koreans.
Why would they have to move to Korea? Obviously training in Korea is superior because the infrastructure is already in place. I'm partially talking out of my ass when i say this, but I don't think there are many; if any foreigner teams with a house/training schedule like the Koreans have.
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On July 14 2011 09:48 WarChimp wrote:
I love how we are making this a hierarchy. So, while your lower you are a foreigner and the better you are you become a Korean?
HuK wins because of himself. Sure he trains with his Korean mates but he wins because of his play, his style and his skill.
This pretty much sums up my point.
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I love how we are making this a hierarchy. So, while your lower you are a foreigner and the better you are you become a Korean?
HuK wins because of himself. Sure he trains with his Korean mates but he wins because of his play, his style and his skill.
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there is no Korean mindset except practice alot
he practices alot
that is not an only korean thing
bad thread
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