If huk/jinro didn't train in korea they would never reach the level they are now, this is a fact.
Sure they would still be kick ass pro gamers, but not off the same level.

labbe

Sweden1456 Posts

July 02 2011 00:09 GMT

#43

This has been debated to death already... We don't need another thread on this.

lunchforthesky

United Kingdom967 Posts

July 02 2011 00:09 GMT

#44

On July 02 2011 09:08 Rasky wrote:
So when Russians and Swedens come to Canada to play in the CHL does that make them Canadian?

You are completely missing the point.

WArped

United Kingdom4845 Posts

July 02 2011 00:10 GMT

#45

This discussion is really stupid.. he trains in the best house, with the best Protoss in the world, the training regime is better, you play against better players on the ladder and I'm sure he practices as much as anyone in that house so the results don't surprise me. HuK even said he thinks hes been this good for a while, the results just haven't come in yet until now. Look at what EG are doing with their house, I think they will be the closest ones to HuK once everything gets going there, and with what iNcontroL has been saying about their future, it looks very promising for the scene.

phantem

United States163 Posts

July 02 2011 00:10 GMT

#46

I attribute part of huk's dreamhack victory to nony, nony is a foreigner so it's clearly a victory for foreigners

in all seriousness though i think it shows that the korean practice style is great, but i see it as a foreigner winning because huk isn't a korean even if he is training in korea

now if select or moonan won (for example) it would be a little more difficult to draw the line argumentatively but i would still consider it a foreigner victory

ronpaul012

United States769 Posts

July 02 2011 00:13 GMT

#47

see ign, look what you have done. only page 3 and its the same thing over and over. I'm all for debating, but we've already had this discussion and it's going nowhere.

Rasky

United States406 Posts

July 02 2011 00:14 GMT

#48

On July 02 2011 09:09 lunchforthesky wrote:

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You are completely missing the point.

LOL. Ok.... so when a swedish or russian comes to the CHL to play hockey, are they no longer considered as Russians or Swedes? In the MLB are the Cuba players no longer Cubans? Training where it is best to increase your skills the most is what anyone who wants to succeed in any sport will do. Everyone who doesn't realize that needs to open their eyes what is your point?

iYiYi

United States489 Posts

July 02 2011 00:15 GMT

#49

Until the foreigners who aren't living in Korea start beating top Koreans I don't consider them anywhere near the same level. In fact I think the skill gap between is growing really larger and larger everyday. The western scene is falling really far behind and quickly. Articles like these are giving out the wrong information.

VenerableSpace

United States463 Posts

July 02 2011 00:15 GMT

#50

On July 02 2011 09:14 Rasky wrote:

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you made a good point. that guys been trolling for a whlie now just ignore em.

Xanwi

United Kingdom114 Posts

July 02 2011 00:16 GMT

#51

Playing/watching/theorycrafting with MC day in day out for months has to have something to do with it. On top of that I feel like HuK truly wants to become the best. I'd wager he wouldn't have performed half as well as he did as DH/HSC if he hadn't been practicing like a machine in Korea though.

IMBAkorean

Canada835 Posts

July 02 2011 00:17 GMT

#52

neither korea or foreigners won, esports won :D

stevarius

United States1394 Posts

July 02 2011 00:17 GMT

#53

It's attributed to the fact that he was in a positive environment for dedicated training fueled by his inner desire to become good enough to be a champion.

Those are the ingredients involved in being successful. What good are you going to be if your environment is hostile or not promoting you to be awesome? He's been training against some of the top players in Korea, I'd definitely not count that out.

Desirous

Canada95 Posts

July 02 2011 00:18 GMT

#54

I find it utterly insulting that you people think that working hard is a Korean trait. The only differences between training in your house and training in Korea is the lack of distractions from friends and family, the language barrier which makes the game more of your focus than anything else, and the lack of privacy.

yawnoC

United States3704 Posts

July 02 2011 00:19 GMT

#55

I attribute huk winning to him being a good player.
Nothing More.
Nothing Less.

Imerej

Canada291 Posts

July 02 2011 00:21 GMT

#56

This just cements the fact that the korean training routine will produce better players

stevarius

United States1394 Posts

July 02 2011 00:21 GMT

#57

On July 02 2011 09:18 Desirous wrote:
I find it utterly insulting that you people think that working hard is a Korean trait. The only differences between training in your house and training in Korea is the lack of distractions from friends and family, the language barrier which makes the game more of your focus than anything else, and the lack of privacy.

Or, you know, a team house such as oGs that fosters player development. I don't like it when people like you discount the fact that a team environment in Korea is exponentially better than sitting on your ass at home.

[N3O]r3d33m3r

Germany673 Posts

July 02 2011 00:24 GMT

#58

HuK is palying great, and he has been training in korea for quite a long time.
but i think he was rather lucky not having to face Bomber. he did a good job of beating MC.
this was dreamhack where he had toface 2 koreans, MC and Moon.
in homestory cup there was only one korean he had to face which was mc again.

i still stand by my point that even the best foreigners can't hold a candle to the top koreans. they can win here and there (as anyone can in sc2) but they're not nearly as good as them imo

also, iiirc, HuK said during the beta that he had nothing to do (neither studies nor a job) so he decided to go heavy on sc and it gave him a thrive i think that's also a reason for his strong dedication

peidongyang

Canada2084 Posts

July 02 2011 00:26 GMT

#59

to be fair, if u think about it, TSL was won by thorzain, in a tourny which featured top players like mc and nada...

I'd saying huk is a foreigner because he isn't korean... so...

MonkSEA

Australia1227 Posts

July 02 2011 00:33 GMT

#60

On July 02 2011 08:47 PartyBiscuit wrote:
HuK is HuK - he represents TL.

All HuK symbolizes, as the dreamhack commentators put (not Day9/Apollo) after his victory is that ANYBODY who trains hard enough in the right environment, can become a champion.

There is nothing left to discuss.

This.. If you go "his foreigner trololol" or "his korean because his lives in Korea" you're very wrong. It's how much effort he puts into the game, he takes back out.

It's just Korean's train endlessly. They don't do any of this nonsense 2 hours a day, they do 8-10 hours a day. In the MMA documentary, BoxeR said that MMA trained for 10 hours a day, 6 days a week.

That's a fucking lot of time, 60 hours a week of SC2, refining builds, perfecting control, it just shows if you put in the effort you will succeed, that's all it is.