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I have a confession; in early May I let my little brother play a game of Starcraft II: Wings of Liberty using my Battle.net account. He was visiting me at my apartment and wanted to know what the game was like. It was a ladder game and he lost.
I deeply regret my actions. I understand that they violated the trust Blizzard had placed in me by granting me an account. I wish I could go back in time and undo my mistake....but its too late.
Blizzard; please ban my account for sharing; its SaltFish.684
Again, I'm deeply sorry for my actions.
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On June 24 2011 10:33 oniontx wrote: I still can't forget that BoxeR began practising Starcraft 2 on August 14th 2010. Making an account under his name would have raised a commotion, so he made the account 'manofoneway' under my name. Someone should tell Boxer and Kim Ga-yeon that they can expect a call from Blizzard Korea.
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On June 25 2011 07:38 Dental Floss wrote: I have a confession; in early May I let my little brother play a game of Starcraft II: Wings of Liberty using my Battle.net account. He was visiting me at my apartment and wanted to know what the game was like. It was a ladder game and he lost.
I deeply regret my actions. I understand that they violated the trust Blizzard had placed in me by granting me an account. I wish I could go back in time and undo my mistake....but its too late.
Blizzard; please ban my account for sharing; its SaltFish.684
Again, I'm deeply sorry for my actions.
Sorry, banned for life!
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On June 25 2011 07:35 MaGariShun wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 07:09 RiT4LiN wrote:On June 25 2011 00:47 Imrik wrote: Do you really want LAN?
In all seriousness, I can understand why Blizzard is doing this, it sends a very clear message that account sharing is not accepted. Not even for pros, which should deter players from participating in account sharing. Props to blizz for standing behind their policy I guess... First sane person ITT. It seems like everyone thinks blizzard is a bunch of cool guys making cool games for the community. But in reality blizzard is a company, and if they dont make millions of dollars selling their game they'll go out of business. So to al pathetic nerds sitting at home crying about blizzard and imbalance. STFU do you realy think you know how to run a company better than the thousands of highly trained professionals working at blizzard? Blizzard won't go out of business just because a bunch of pros share accounts when they even have an account on the server themselves. It will eventually go out of business though when it continues to piss its community off by doing stupid stuff. And please stop with that company stuff. It's people in the end, not some mindless robots who are programmed to aquire the ultimate amount of money. By your logic they should fire everyone who doesnt work to their maximum potential every day and pay their employees only minimum wages. It isn't that way. Sure a company has to run and make profit, but not at all cost.
If a company has an employee that does not meet the goals that they are required to perform, you can bet your ass they would be fired or at least warned to shape up.
Account sharing is against the TOS. Whether you agree with that or not is irrelevant, but you still have to follow it because you agreed to it upon installing the game.
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On June 25 2011 07:09 MichaelJLowell wrote: How does that benefit the consumer? How does that make the product better? It doesn't. Blizzard puts their own benefit over that of the consumer.
On June 25 2011 07:09 MichaelJLowell wrote:Integrity of the ladder? This entire incident occurred because the top player couldn't find games on his account. Fix that first. Agreed, but that doesn't diminish the legitimacy of their claim.
On June 25 2011 07:09 MichaelJLowell wrote: How does that make the product better? It doesn't, but it could possible affect their profits. (Hence them having an interest in this - surely even you can follow this very clear and direct line of logic?)
I'm tired of you asking unrelated questions and moving the goalposts here. I don't even know where this "bettering the product" thing came from. I've answered all of your questions patiently, I will stop that now.
And just in case you didn't catch my point the first time I made it: I said that I think Blizzard shouldn't have done this because it could (and is on its way to) create a PR and community backlash far bigger than this is worth. Especially in the way they handled this, directly calling an organiser and threatening some of the most prominent and beloved members of the community with account bans.
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I would like to tell you a little story of days long past. It was the mid 90's, my best friend John got an awesome new game called Warcraft. He said "it's like dune but way better!" He brought his cd to my house and installed a "spawn version" from his CD. It allowed us to play over our 14.4 modems (for the kids out there, you put your friends phone # in and he has his computer waiting to answer the call .The internet wasn't what it is today back then) We played for hours and hours, a week later I bought it because I wanted to practice and beat him. Then I brought my copy to my friend Cliff's and he installed the spawn, we played for hours, he soon bought a copy. Pure marketing genius. I've been buying Blizzard products ever since. What the hell happened?
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On June 25 2011 07:40 Cataphract wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 07:35 MaGariShun wrote:On June 25 2011 07:09 RiT4LiN wrote:On June 25 2011 00:47 Imrik wrote: Do you really want LAN?
In all seriousness, I can understand why Blizzard is doing this, it sends a very clear message that account sharing is not accepted. Not even for pros, which should deter players from participating in account sharing. Props to blizz for standing behind their policy I guess... First sane person ITT. It seems like everyone thinks blizzard is a bunch of cool guys making cool games for the community. But in reality blizzard is a company, and if they dont make millions of dollars selling their game they'll go out of business. So to al pathetic nerds sitting at home crying about blizzard and imbalance. STFU do you realy think you know how to run a company better than the thousands of highly trained professionals working at blizzard? Blizzard won't go out of business just because a bunch of pros share accounts when they even have an account on the server themselves. It will eventually go out of business though when it continues to piss its community off by doing stupid stuff. And please stop with that company stuff. It's people in the end, not some mindless robots who are programmed to aquire the ultimate amount of money. By your logic they should fire everyone who doesnt work to their maximum potential every day and pay their employees only minimum wages. It isn't that way. Sure a company has to run and make profit, but not at all cost. If a company has an employee that does not meet the goals that they are required to perform, you can bet your ass they would be fired or at least warned to shape up. Account sharing is against the TOS. Whether you agree with that or not is irrelevant, but you still have to follow it because you agreed to it upon installing the game. Did you read the tos before you installed the game?
And people don't get fired for not performing to their maximum potential in real life... People aren't robots. Did you even read his post before you responded?
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Utterly stupid move blizzard.
You are already forceing progamers to have diffrent accounts to play in tournaments in diffrent continents, Activision much?
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Seems pretty pointless by Blizz.
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You cant share accounts in any game..
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On June 25 2011 07:45 Reborn8u wrote: I would like to tell you a little story of days long past. It was the mid 90's, my best friend John got an awesome new game called Warcraft. He said "it's like dune but way better!" He brought his cd to my house and installed a "spawn version" from his CD. It allowed us to play over our 14.4 modems (for the kids out there, you put your friends phone # in and he has his computer waiting to answer the call .The internet wasn't what it is today back then) We played for hours and hours, a week later I bought it because I wanted to practice and beat him. Then I brought my copy to my friend Cliff's and he installed the spawn, we played for hours, he soon bought a copy. Pure marketing genius. I've been buying Blizzard products ever since. What the hell happened?
Blizzard made WoW and a bazillion dollars... They used those dollars to hire marketers and lawyers. They told Blizzard that there is more money to be made if only they batter their customers around and have unreasonable policies. Blizzard believed them and paid them lots of money. Now to afford the marketing and legal geniuses they have hired they need to make even more money...
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The only thing I don't like about this is the double standard in the GTSL where everyone simply uses the team account to play games rather than logging into their same account. And it's endorsed by Blizzard too.
But it's not too clear exactly what they were warned for.
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On June 25 2011 07:45 Bobster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 07:09 MichaelJLowell wrote: How does that benefit the consumer? How does that make the product better? It doesn't. Blizzard puts their own benefit over that of the consumer. Oh. Okay.
On June 25 2011 07:45 Bobster wrote: Agreed, but that doesn't diminish the legitimacy of their claim. Based on the level of anger at Blizzard for this (which even I think is beginning to border on disproportionate, if only because don't understand this is all about "intellectual property"), the court of consumer perception is ruling against them.
On June 25 2011 07:45 Bobster wrote: It doesn't, but it could possible affect their profits. (Hence them having an interest in this - surely even you can follow this very clear and direct line of logic?) Oh. Okay.
On June 25 2011 07:45 Bobster wrote: I'm tired of you asking unrelated questions and moving the goalposts here. I don't even know where this "bettering the product" thing came from. I've answered all of your questions patiently, I will stop that now. Oh. Okay.
And just in case you didn't catch my point the first time I made it: I said that I think Blizzard shouldn't have done this because it could (and is on its way) create a PR and community backlash far bigger than this is worth. Especially in the way they handled this, directly calling an organiser and threatening some of the most prominent and beloved members of the community with bans. That's called "somebody from corporate who doesn't understand the slightest about video games asked the Community Manager to 'follow through on procedure'."
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On June 25 2011 07:40 Cataphract wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 07:35 MaGariShun wrote:On June 25 2011 07:09 RiT4LiN wrote:On June 25 2011 00:47 Imrik wrote: Do you really want LAN?
In all seriousness, I can understand why Blizzard is doing this, it sends a very clear message that account sharing is not accepted. Not even for pros, which should deter players from participating in account sharing. Props to blizz for standing behind their policy I guess... First sane person ITT. It seems like everyone thinks blizzard is a bunch of cool guys making cool games for the community. But in reality blizzard is a company, and if they dont make millions of dollars selling their game they'll go out of business. So to al pathetic nerds sitting at home crying about blizzard and imbalance. STFU do you realy think you know how to run a company better than the thousands of highly trained professionals working at blizzard? Blizzard won't go out of business just because a bunch of pros share accounts when they even have an account on the server themselves. It will eventually go out of business though when it continues to piss its community off by doing stupid stuff. And please stop with that company stuff. It's people in the end, not some mindless robots who are programmed to aquire the ultimate amount of money. By your logic they should fire everyone who doesnt work to their maximum potential every day and pay their employees only minimum wages. It isn't that way. Sure a company has to run and make profit, but not at all cost. If a company has an employee that does not meet the goals that they are required to perform, you can bet your ass they would be fired or at least warned to shape up. Account sharing is against the TOS. Whether you agree with that or not is irrelevant, but you still have to follow it because you agreed to it upon installing the game. I'm really sorry for you if you work in that kind of company. You really get fired just because you slack for some days for some reason? I guess it's just the american way. Greed everywhere!
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On June 25 2011 07:40 Cataphract wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 07:35 MaGariShun wrote:On June 25 2011 07:09 RiT4LiN wrote:On June 25 2011 00:47 Imrik wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Do you really want LAN?
In all seriousness, I can understand why Blizzard is doing this, it sends a very clear message that account sharing is not accepted. Not even for pros, which should deter players from participating in account sharing. Props to blizz for standing behind their policy I guess... First sane person ITT. It seems like everyone thinks blizzard is a bunch of cool guys making cool games for the community. But in reality blizzard is a company, and if they dont make millions of dollars selling their game they'll go out of business. So to al pathetic nerds sitting at home crying about blizzard and imbalance. STFU do you realy think you know how to run a company better than the thousands of highly trained professionals working at blizzard? Blizzard won't go out of business just because a bunch of pros share accounts when they even have an account on the server themselves. It will eventually go out of business though when it continues to piss its community off by doing stupid stuff. And please stop with that company stuff. It's people in the end, not some mindless robots who are programmed to aquire the ultimate amount of money. By your logic they should fire everyone who doesnt work to their maximum potential every day and pay their employees only minimum wages. It isn't that way. Sure a company has to run and make profit, but not at all cost. If a company has an employee that does not meet the goals that they are required to perform, you can bet your ass they would be fired or at least warned to shape up. Account sharing is against the TOS. Whether you agree with that or not is irrelevant, but you still have to follow it because you agreed to it upon installing the game.
But the TOS is not sensible. If the TOS said to waft in a room of ethylene oxide would that be reasonable? The same thing is true with blizzard trying to penny and dime their customers for no good reason.
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I would like to tell you a little story of days long past. It was the mid 90's, my best friend John got an awesome new game called Warcraft. He said "it's like dune but way better!" He brought his cd to my house and installed a "spawn version" from his CD. It allowed us to play over our 14.4 modems (for the kids out there, you put your friends phone # in and he has his computer waiting to answer the call .The internet wasn't what it is today back then) We played for hours and hours, a week later I bought it because I wanted to practice and beat him. Then I brought my copy to my friend Cliff's and he installed the spawn, we played for hours, he soon bought a copy. Pure marketing genius. I've been buying Blizzard products ever since. What the hell happened?
Short term revenue. You are always being analyzed in how much you make and not in how much you could make, also their mission is no longer offering great polished games.
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Why are people arguing about the terms of service thing? Obviously they are within their rights to do it, that doesn't mean it's stupid and pointless.
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Why is everyone making such a big deal about this? Oh, Blizzard enforcing the rules they set for their game? HOW DARE THEY!?
It's really not a big deal and threads like this do nothing but hurt e-sports. Frankly I think we're being the immature ones, if we want people to take e-sports seriously then the very VERY few times that Blizzard wants to say something we should listen to them IMO.
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I am with algorithm0r, I feel that blizzards policies are strategic ways of bullying the community. if any of you have heard of the CEO of activision, he is not a gamer but a business man. If you are familiar with the idea of business, it is the idea of mutual trade, which when abused would be an imbalanced equation. Business all over the world has turned into "legally scamming unsuspecting citizens within a society". I feel that a revolution is in order to prevent the people of the world from being eternally scammed out of their lives/money. This is just a perception so don't flame but rather expand upon it and develop your own perceptions from it^_^
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On June 25 2011 07:47 nihlon wrote:Show nested quote +On June 25 2011 07:40 Cataphract wrote:On June 25 2011 07:35 MaGariShun wrote:On June 25 2011 07:09 RiT4LiN wrote:On June 25 2011 00:47 Imrik wrote: Do you really want LAN?
In all seriousness, I can understand why Blizzard is doing this, it sends a very clear message that account sharing is not accepted. Not even for pros, which should deter players from participating in account sharing. Props to blizz for standing behind their policy I guess... First sane person ITT. It seems like everyone thinks blizzard is a bunch of cool guys making cool games for the community. But in reality blizzard is a company, and if they dont make millions of dollars selling their game they'll go out of business. So to al pathetic nerds sitting at home crying about blizzard and imbalance. STFU do you realy think you know how to run a company better than the thousands of highly trained professionals working at blizzard? Blizzard won't go out of business just because a bunch of pros share accounts when they even have an account on the server themselves. It will eventually go out of business though when it continues to piss its community off by doing stupid stuff. And please stop with that company stuff. It's people in the end, not some mindless robots who are programmed to aquire the ultimate amount of money. By your logic they should fire everyone who doesnt work to their maximum potential every day and pay their employees only minimum wages. It isn't that way. Sure a company has to run and make profit, but not at all cost. If a company has an employee that does not meet the goals that they are required to perform, you can bet your ass they would be fired or at least warned to shape up. Account sharing is against the TOS. Whether you agree with that or not is irrelevant, but you still have to follow it because you agreed to it upon installing the game. Did you read the tos before you installed the game? And people don't get fired for not performing to their maximum potential in real life... People aren't robots. Did you even read his post before you responded?
No I didn't read it, but then again I'm not complaining about breaking the rules in it, am I?
And no, people don't get fired for not working at their maximum, but if you have goals set and repeatedly don't meet them do you think your boss will be like "DONT WORRY BRO ITS COOL."?
The account didn't get banned, they got a warning. I don't want to see TLO or huk banned, but rules are rules. I used to share my account with friends in WoW all the time, if I got banned because of it, it would have been because I broke the rules I agreed too.
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