EPTI mean arent you little bit too concerned about this whole "racist" thing? How come that you all in America ( as I observed ) dont even write stuff like nigger etc? For me its so much more racist to write or say something like N-word instead of nigga, cause when you use that in order not to insult someone, it means you are concerned about someones race = you make difference between races = you are the real racist...
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MaHi
Czech Republic21 Posts
I mean arent you little bit too concerned about this whole "racist" thing? How come that you all in America ( as I observed ) dont even write stuff like nigger etc? For me its so much more racist to write or say something like N-word instead of nigga, cause when you use that in order not to insult someone, it means you are concerned about someones race = you make difference between races = you are the real racist... | ||
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stuish
United States97 Posts
i hear more evil language from others (like cruncher) to be honest. its clear complexity were planning to void Destiny's contract as soon as possible. but took him in at first for the publicity. just goes to show how lame complexity and their owners are. this is a good thing; now he can follow his true [Destiny] | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
But it's always a pity when a player leaves a team. I wish him well and hopefully he can show some better results and find a new team. | ||
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jenzebubble
United States183 Posts
On June 24 2011 19:18 stuish wrote: i watch Destiny's stream and i think its great entertainment, not offensive. i hear more evil language from others (like cruncher) to be honest. its clear complexity were planning to void Destiny's contract as soon as possible. but took him in at first for the publicity. just goes to show how lame complexity and their owners are. this is a good thing; now he can follow his true [Destiny] They released him fully from his contractual obligations. Do you understand the ramifications for Destiny had they not? He signed the contract and then broke the terms of said contract. They could have, had they wanted to, fired him and held him to his non-compete clause. | ||
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banzaiib
United States53 Posts
OT: being new to TL, and seeing all the red text, has me a bit leary of posting this... but, nothing ventured nothing gained... | ||
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Zorkmid
4410 Posts
As for all the contractual stuff, I'm not sure that a non-compete clause would stand up. I've recently signed an employment contract that includes a non-compete clause, but it was explained to me that the purpose is mostly to protect trade secrets. (Not sure Destiny would have gained any in his week or so with coL). Complexity gaming would likely have to prove that by Destiny playing for another pro-team, that he was directly diverting business from Complexity to his new organization. These things are probably only enforced when there has been some harm done to the employer. If I had to guess, I'd say that coL's web traffic is at an all time high. | ||
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two.watup
United States371 Posts
Winning. | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13389 Posts
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Gumbos
Canada55 Posts
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facades
United States13 Posts
Destiny has been known for some of his rage/bm on his stream... | ||
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neoenigma
United States243 Posts
However, I discovered his stream ages ago... and I've been hooked ever since. His play was good enough to enjoy watching, but as we all know, it's his personality that brings in the viewers. Not to mention so many people would watch just because Rachel would talk  Destiny has a perfect stream to tune into in between tournaments. It's a more relaxed SC2 experience to chill out to. You don't need to worry about nail-biting matches or caring whether or not Destiny wins or loses. Always quality entertainment when he lands deezer on ladder... has debo on skype... etc etc. I'm shocked so many people are making such a big deal out of this. It is CLEAR that there is no bad blood between Complexity and Destiny. I think people just want to create drama where there is none. Destiny will continue to stream and thousands of people will continue to watch. This thread will probably get him even MORE viewers. So if I had to name my top 3 reasons for watching SC2 right now, it's probably the following: 1. Idra 2. Tastosis 3. Destiny. | ||
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Sluggy
United States128 Posts
On June 24 2011 21:46 Zorkmid wrote: This thread is on pace to become the longest most read post that relates to Complexity. I can see why they wanted him in the first place. He brings in the viewers! As for all the contractual stuff, I'm not sure that a non-compete clause would stand up. I've recently signed an employment contract that includes a non-compete clause, but it was explained to me that the purpose is mostly to protect trade secrets. (Not sure Destiny would have gained any in his week or so with coL). Complexity gaming would likely have to prove that by Destiny playing for another pro-team, that he was directly diverting business from Complexity to his new organization. These things are probably only enforced when there has been some harm done to the employer. If I had to guess, I'd say that coL's web traffic is at an all time high. Their web traffic was probably 4x higher during big cs events in 2004 - 2008 than it is right now for something annoying like this | ||
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sleigh bells
United States358 Posts
On June 24 2011 18:59 MaHi wrote: It never stops amaze me how much are Americans butthurt over just a words. It must be so crazy to live in society where everyone is his/her own censor O_o I mean arent you little bit too concerned about this whole "racist" thing? How come that you all in America ( as I observed ) dont even write stuff like nigger etc? For me its so much more racist to write or say something like N-word instead of nigga, cause when you use that in order not to insult someone, it means you are concerned about someones race = you make difference between races = you are the real racist... yah acknowledging that races and racism exist is totally racist, brah must be nice living in a 98% white country | ||
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UFO
582 Posts
On June 24 2011 06:10 FabledIntegral wrote: Are you serious or are you trolling? I'm seriously just bewildered at people's posts at this point on the issue. What he said is completely accurate. Nor was anyone denying Destiny's right to free speech. Your post wasn't relevant either. There's a massive reading comprehension failure here, or something of that sort. I was addressing the guy who said which is utter bullshit. You may say people have died for free speech issues; this is not a friggin' free speech issue. Just as there is no free speech on teamliquid. The government wasn't involved in this case, it was a corporation or whatever the hell complexity is wishing to part ways with Destiny. You are not a fucking oracle and your opinion is not defining what is relevant and what is not. If you make such a claim - justify it. I was addressing an opinion that the problem was about "minor" adjustment and tried to explain that this isn`t, in my opinion, a minor adjustment because it has to do with values. In case you thought I was addressing any of your post - I wasn`t. Its not about free speech issue but you can`t say that free speech is completely unrelated in this case. If it has to do with problems concerning viability of saying this and that then the problem of free speech is related in one way or another. And if you are saying that this didn`t have to do with any such problems, well, I don`t have any proof for that. | ||
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AveSharia
United States62 Posts
On June 24 2011 21:46 Zorkmid wrote: As for all the contractual stuff, I'm not sure that a non-compete clause would stand up. I've recently signed an employment contract that includes a non-compete clause, but it was explained to me that the purpose is mostly to protect trade secrets. (Not sure Destiny would have gained any in his week or so with coL). Spoiler below is mostly speculation, but maybe useful. + Show Spoiler + As someone who has drafted a few non-competes, and plenty of other agreements, I think yours is a common misconception (common because it is convenient for employers to have employees think their agreements are unenforceable) in most places in the US. Non-competes are generally enforceable, with a few exceptions as to scope. As for Destiny: if he took a nearly identical position at a competing team, especially if that team competes in many of the same tournaments as coL, I can't imagine it being unenforceable. It is possible that the agreement was governed by California law (or some other nation's law, which I can't speak to,) in which case, yeah, it would be enforceable. But if Complexity had an attorney draft the agreement (which I'm sure they did,) I doubt that attorney would drafted a non-compete governed by the law of a jurisdiction that made them illegal. As for damages, it probably doesn't matter whether Destiny gained anything in the one week with coL. The general common law rule for damages from breach of contract is not that the employer should be compensated for what they have provided to the employee, but that the employer should be put in the position they would have been in had the contract been fully performed. That's pretty tough to guess with an identity as unique as Destiny's, and a industry as volatile as eSports. All I can guess is that coL stood to gain a lot, and at least some of that would be calculable (think, e.g. a percentage of stream or lesson revenue). I can't really speculate more without knowing the jurisdiction, and the terms of the agreement. Usual caveats about this not being legal advice apply. | ||
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Shrewmy
Australia199 Posts
On June 25 2011 01:12 sleigh bells wrote: yah acknowledging that races and racism exist is totally racist, brah must be nice living in a 98% white country They're still just words. | ||
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CajunMan
United States823 Posts
I also enjoy how no one in Col is willing to talk about the stabs they took at Destiny in the statement. They were completely out of line and just further proves the need for desinty to not be involved. "some of the polarizing opinions being expressed on his stream were in direct opposition the values compLexity has stood for since 2003. This behavior made our decision clear and Mr. Bonnell has been released from any and all contractual obligations" Totally unneeded and unprofessional go back to stream cheating to win col. "You can leave now" Idra  User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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kawaiiryuko
United States368 Posts
On June 25 2011 03:22 AveSharia wrote: Spoiler below is mostly speculation, but maybe useful. + Show Spoiler + As someone who has drafted a few non-competes, and plenty of other agreements, I think yours is a common misconception (common because it is convenient for employers to have employees think their agreements are unenforceable) in most places in the US. Non-competes are generally enforceable, with a few exceptions as to scope. As for Destiny: if he took a nearly identical position at a competing team, especially if that team competes in many of the same tournaments as coL, I can't imagine it being unenforceable. It is possible that the agreement was governed by California law (or some other nation's law, which I can't speak to,) in which case, yeah, it would be enforceable. But if Complexity had an attorney draft the agreement (which I'm sure they did,) I doubt that attorney would drafted a non-compete governed by the law of a jurisdiction that made them illegal. As for damages, it probably doesn't matter whether Destiny gained anything in the one week with coL. The general common law rule for damages from breach of contract is not that the employer should be compensated for what they have provided to the employee, but that the employer should be put in the position they would have been in had the contract been fully performed. That's pretty tough to guess with an identity as unique as Destiny's, and a industry as volatile as eSports. All I can guess is that coL stood to gain a lot, and at least some of that would be calculable (think, e.g. a percentage of stream or lesson revenue). I can't really speculate more without knowing the jurisdiction, and the terms of the agreement. Usual caveats about this not being legal advice apply. Ditto on the usual caveats on this not being legal advice. Complexity's release of Destiny implies that this has been a mutual repudiation of the contract. I wonder whether the non-compete clause survives repudiation - certainly, an exclusivity clause should and probably does exist within the contract, but a non-compete for after a person leaves a team? Your damages calculation is also assuming that the original contract, if fully performed, granted the team some sort of stream or lesson revenue or other damages. I wouldn't be surprise if it was just a salary for exclusivity type of deal, rather than some sort of revenue-sharing - a company like coL probably is not looking for Destiny to hand over a portion of his stream/lesson income and I can't imagine that coL is paying Destiny a percentage of coL's stream/lesson income (if booked / earned through coL's website/facilities). In this case, I think the damages are or would be de minimus. | ||
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sickduck
United States53 Posts
On June 24 2011 18:59 MaHi wrote: It never stops amaze me how much are Americans butthurt over just a words. It must be so crazy to live in society where everyone is his/her own censor O_o I mean arent you little bit too concerned about this whole "racist" thing? How come that you all in America ( as I observed ) dont even write stuff like nigger etc? For me its so much more racist to write or say something like N-word instead of nigga, cause when you use that in order not to insult someone, it means you are concerned about someones race = you make difference between races = you are the real racist... yeah brohan, because all americans get offended by this right? no so stop generalizing americans into one group, that is offensive. i can take the n word, you can say anything you want and i wont be offended the least, hell im in the navy and some of the stuff we say is 10x worse then what destiny says. dont generalize us all | ||
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Ocedic
United States1808 Posts
Pretty sure in any country, if you work at any respectable company, you will be reprimanded/fired for using racial slurs. You can argue about the impact of those words all you want, but the fact remains that there are people offended by them. And ultimately, you lose nothing by avoiding them, so I really don't see why one would act high and mighty as if you're so enlightened by using 'taboo' words. | ||
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