Destiny released from Complexity - Page 53

On June 25 2011 08:04 wxlancer wrote:
Destiny's got a great thing going, with a ton of viewers. He should be the HBO to everyone else's bland, politically correct primetime television.

On June 25 2011 07:16 zeek0us wrote:


That's utter bullshit. In fact, you just made my point. The only difference in "context" between a bar and the internet is that in the former case, there are repercussions for using "nigger", whereas on the internet nothing happens.

And there's no change in the "actual, literal denotation" of the word. Just because kids on the internet spew it left and right doesn't signify a change in meaning. There's just nothing stopping them from using it.

There's no issue if people just don't use racial slurs with impunity. Once again I ask, if you're not trying to offend people of a particular group, what reason is there for using the word that exists to denigrate them? At best it's simply meaningless, like a white kid calling another white kid a "nigger". At worst, it's got the same intent as some southern hick 60 years ago calling a black dude a "nigger" before he hung him for whistling at a white woman . . .

It's not like the word has lost its meaning, nor has that meaning changed. It's just that people don't give a fuck about saying things that would be completely taboo in any context except one where they are completely anonymous and free from any consequences.

I like this move by complexity. To be honest I like Destiny as a player, but it's so important to value professionalism in eSport IMHO. It just seems stuff like BM and general trashtalking is becoming a feat instead of a flaw in SC2, which I personally think is pretty sad. I know so many people disagree with this tho, they seem to love BM in Korea, so we'll probably be seeing more of it, rather than less.

To clarify, I'm not trying to say it's not fun watching personalities like MC doing the thumbs down when he wins a game over a rival (read: IdrA), as long as it is done with a cheeky smile and no hard feelings - I just dislike the fact that it's becoming cool to behave like an e-thug and be rewarded for it.

On June 25 2011 09:58 ODieN wrote:
Destiny parted ways with coL to recreate "EX" with you know who.. because? I don't know why.

On June 25 2011 10:15 lowreezy08 wrote:
53 pages because someone got cut from a team over a video game...

On June 25 2011 09:48 UFO wrote:



" The only difference in "context" between a bar and the internet is that in the former case, there are repercussions for using "nigger", whereas on the internet nothing happens. "

How on earth can you make such an utterly wrong, flawed statement a starting and central point of your argumentation ?

There are billions of possible differences depending on the context because meaning is always dependant on the context. There are hundreds of examples in which you can say the word "nigger" (or other inappropriate one) in a bar and not only get no repercussions for it but get a positive consequence. There is so much room for it being used in a funny or otherwise constructive way, without judgment or prejudice.


"Once again I ask, if you're not trying to offend people of a particular group, what reason is there for using the word that exists to denigrate them?"

Who said that the sole purpose in the existence of some word is to denigrate a particular group or people and that it absolutely can`t be used in any other way or have any other meaning ? There are just so many examples of how this word can be used in a very constructive and at the same time meaningful way.

At first my post was different because I see this opinion as a bullshit but reading what you said kinda makes me feel like you have a degree, probably a large degree, of intolerance towards words like "nigger" and I sure did change the look of my post.

Its understandable that you would have such kind of intolerance.

However, your opinion is fueled by some kind of beliefs that are not true.

"It's not like the word has lost its meaning, nor has that meaning changed."

It does change and it will continue to change. Go and publicly call someone a heretic, what will happen ? Well, pretty much nothing significant, maybe except to your reputation. No one will care. However, 500 years ago this could mean a difference between life and death for this someone and you as well. Did the meaning of this word not change ? The meaning is shaped by the situation and therefore context.

You cannot disconnect something from the context and judge it as something separate. In fact, this can be very harmful and often is. Your judgement will be off. It can make a difference between feeling deeply offended, feeling resentment towards someone, being in serious conflict with someone and between being able to understand this someone, take it as it was meant and not condemn this person for having ill-intentions or sick beliefs.

The impression I want to leave is that its understandable - it doesn`t mean someone is retarded or unintelligent - but the opionion that certain words and context are not connected or independant of each other, is misguided and wrong. Judgement based on surface-level interpretations, especially ones that ignore context, can be harmful and it is harmful. It breeds pointless conflicts, disagreements, often resentment and even hate or disdain.

On June 25 2011 15:45 zizou21 wrote:
haha anyone that played cs knows coL is a joke; wise move steven

On June 25 2011 15:45 zizou21 wrote:
haha anyone that played cs knows coL is a joke; wise move steven

On June 25 2011 15:48 strength wrote:


Are u kidding me? coL cs was #1 in the world at one point. You have no idea what youre talking about.

On June 25 2011 16:32 JiYan wrote:
he might be talking about cs:source

On June 25 2011 09:54 Belial88 wrote:


He doesn't act like an 'e-thug'. What are you talking about? It's like you just hear about gossip and comment on it without actually knowing what's going on. I mean do you watch Destiny's stream, and think he's being an e-thug? Or do you just hear about some of his antics and think that?

And what does he do that's unprofessional (this event aside, perhaps)? He has his own personal stream, that he runs for himself - that's as professional as you get. I mean what is so 'unprofessional' about Destiny? What is it that bothers you about him? He offers content, you don't have to watch the content if you don't like it. If you think it represents e-sports, well, it only does if you let it first off (do you think he represents you? Well there you go), and secondly this is a video game.

It kind of annoys me that people are trying to turn this into the PGA. It's not, it's a friggin video game. Do you think people are going to not enjoy this video game they bought at Best Buy to try out, because some other guy who plays it is inappropriate, according to someone's mom?

If complexity doesn't think Destiny is a good fit, that's fine, it's their call to make. But would he reflect poorly on any company? Hardly, he just has a potty mouth, he doesn't say anything inciteful or racist. His language is crude, and unless it's expected that your 'people' have proper mouths, it's kind of silly.

On June 25 2011 10:24 schmeebs wrote:

welcome to a forum about discussing a video game, where we discuss things that involve people that play said video game.