Is A Real MMR Too Much to Ask For? - Page 2

On June 15 2011 11:24 StatX wrote:
I think the MMR is fine but I really wish they would match us on latency as well. Many times have I had to try and play through opponents that lagged like hell.

On June 15 2011 11:30 Musketeer wrote:

You should look at your own connection. In SC2, you get your own latency, not your opponents. If you get a bad latency, it's your own problem.

I can get a ~10 second (!!!) latency downloading torrents and the opponent would never know. In fact, I often turn torrents on when I'm observing my team's practice games because it makes no difference for them.

On June 15 2011 11:22 piegasm wrote:


Your losses are roughly equal to your wins. You're close to a promotion when you beat a lot of people in higher leagues than you. You're close to a demotion when you lose to people in leagues lower than you.

You can't see your real MMR because if people knew exactly how it worked, they'd exploit it.

On June 15 2011 10:50 Chronald wrote:
I've been playing 'Slightly Favored' opponents and 'Favored' opponents who are in the middle of Platinum league, while I am a 10-20 rank range Diamond player.

It makes sense to me, I understand how MMR and an ELO work, but I feel like I'm not being told the full story when I'm a league above people who are supposedly 'Slightly Favored' against me while they are in lower leagues. FYI - I am winning against most of them, something like 8-3 against favored/slightly favored in the last 24 hours.

On June 15 2011 11:34 Zrana wrote:



CHILL GET OUT

On June 15 2011 11:38 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
just an example why the laddersystem is bad:

no games for 6 weeks, massive bonuspool (6xx) and around 6xx ladderpoints. now u get to play people in grandmaster (bratok for example) and 1500master people. Its like in your time not playing while every other guy improved, the system "thinks" u improved too which is just bad and creates frustration as u get destroyed left and right. Some people may say that the mmr will adjust after a few games which is not the case, even after giving freewins and having horrid losing streaks u will still be matched up against grandmaster / high master.

(this happend to me)

Its like ....if u wanna have casually fun at the game after taking a hiatus from it u ve to buy the game again cause the mmr is causing u to ve no fun....cuz lets be honest, who has fun having a 30game losing streak?

On June 15 2011 11:38 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
just an example why the laddersystem is bad:

no games for 6 weeks, massive bonuspool (6xx) and around 6xx ladderpoints. now u get to play people in grandmaster (bratok for example) and 1500master people. Its like in your time not playing while every other guy improved, the system "thinks" u improved too which is just bad and creates frustration as u get destroyed left and right. Some people may say that the mmr will adjust after a few games which is not the case, even after giving freewins and having horrid losing streaks u will still be matched up against grandmaster / high master.

(this happend to me)

Its like ....if u wanna have casually fun at the game after taking a hiatus from it u ve to buy the game again cause the mmr is causing u to ve no fun....cuz lets be honest, who has fun having a 30game losing streak?

On June 15 2011 11:37 PeggyHill wrote:


How could this be exploited though?

The only mechanism for changing MMR is winning/losing. How would this change at all if the number could be seen?

The stats in general on Bnet are lacking. I want to see win/loss, just give me an option to hide it if you are afraid of people pussying out because of it.

I want to see how many zealots I've built throughout my entire SC2 career, how many kills I've gotten. I want to see what unit got the most kills in the game I just played, highlighting hero DT's that get 22 kills.

Halo 3 has a very detailled stats system, tracking number of kills, double kills etc, all accessible online. There is no reason why Blizzard couldn't implement this apart from their own laziness.

On June 15 2011 11:18 blade55555 wrote:


O_O what? If 90% of the players were stuck in D or D+ then that is their skill ranking. If you could get to B+ you were good, you could not get to B+ by just cheesing or all inning every game which was awesome. I don't even think you could really get past C+ with pure cheese but could be wrong ^^.

I do wish thats how blizzard did it even though it wont' ever happen as it could be frustrating :D.

On June 15 2011 10:50 Chronald wrote:
It could be private if they are concerned about people not playing because they are afraid or w/e. It would be something awesome to have in order to gauge how good someone is on the ladder. I've been playing 'Slightly Favored' opponents and 'Favored' opponents who are in the middle of Platinum league, while I am a 10-20 rank range Diamond player.

It makes sense to me, I understand how MMR and an ELO work, but I feel like I'm not being told the full story when I'm a league above people who are supposedly 'Slightly Favored' against me while they are in lower leagues. FYI - I am winning against most of them, something like 8-3 against favored/slightly favored in the last 24 hours.

On June 15 2011 11:30 Musketeer wrote:

You should look at your own connection. In SC2, you get your own latency, not your opponents. If you get a bad latency, it's your own problem.

I can get a ~10 second (!!!) latency downloading torrents and the opponent would never know. In fact, I often turn torrents on when I'm observing my team's practice games because it makes no difference for them.

On June 15 2011 10:55 ClysmiC wrote:
I never really liked iCCup's system, as 90% of players stayed in D or D+ so it was really hard to gauge how good they were. I think Blizzard's current system isn't too bad, but I guess every ladder system is going to have flaws.