I think something like this would be really interesting and a lot of fun. I also like the Europe v USA component; the World Championship team match was very exciting and brought that kind of "patriotic pride" element. However, I think one of the things that made the WC team match and makes the GSTLs so exciting is that full teams were present on camera. You can see looks of disappointment on players who just lost like they are letting their team down. You see worried faces on team members while the team struggles. Its also hard to beat the unintentional comedy of nerd excitement and high-fiving.

My question then is, would it even be possible to get 16 FULL teams in one place for this? It seems like many teams have members spread out around the globe-- the logistics of getting them all together at one time to compete is a team tournament like the GSTL would at least be a nightmare, if not a complete impossibility. I also think of situations like, "Team Liquid lost to EG but EG had their full team and HuK and Jinro couldn't make it." For individual events it isn't critical to have every member of a team present. For a team league it is essential for competitive reasons as well as simply having enough players to compete.

I would absolutely love to see it happen so I hope that I am wrong

CustomKal

Canada749 Posts

May 19 2011 02:48 GMT

#23

TWL would be sweet ^_^ Teamliquid winners league. I would pay to watch that.

L3g3nd_

New Zealand10461 Posts

May 19 2011 03:17 GMT

#24

we have the eG masters cup, thats a teamleague yes?

imo TSL should stay as a solo tournament

figq

12519 Posts

May 19 2011 03:27 GMT

#25

Big money foreign tournaments should think about investing in this area - to fund team leagues, where they provide whole teams the funds to travel and compete. Sounds too expensive, but the viewer's interest would also be very high, so perhaps it could be done sometime in the future.

KDot2

United States1213 Posts

May 19 2011 03:58 GMT

#26

I would love to see something like the GSTL somewhere besides Korea... I think the format is so epic/awesome ... Im sure it will happen eventually.

Chill

Calgary25980 Posts

May 19 2011 04:01 GMT

#27

GSTL format requires 10 players, streamers, commentators, and referees sitting around for hours.

Normal teamleague doesn't.

Xsoild

United States121 Posts

May 19 2011 04:09 GMT

#28

everyone is bored now? there is so much good starcraft to watch i dont think i will ever get bored with it. i guess people who dont really like starcraft without hype and such will get bored but real fans will go to one of the many exellent tournements they have going on now and will most likely not get bored. and hey if you do get bored.....play starcraft or just leave and do something that entertains you.

i will admit that the finals for GSL were a bit lack luster but the semi-finals???? soo good IMO.
but the next season im hyped for to watch Huk. sad that jinro is in code a but lets see how he does ( he better win it lol).

but i think getting bored is not really a problem at all.

canikizu

4860 Posts

May 19 2011 04:12 GMT

#29

GSTL format only works well at physical LAN events. Doing it online is a hassle.

1) You get really excited when watching GSTL because the all kill, the suspension, the bm, and the players' expressions. You can't have that playing online. We all knows that it's impossible to get 16 teams around the globe to come to one place and compete.

2) Even if you try to micmic the format, it's really hard. With the normal team format (each player plays against another player on 1 particular map), you don't have to play it live. The players can play their game at any time in the week and send the replays to the organizers. With GSTL format, you don't know who is your next opponent until the previous game is over. So 2 team have to play 1 game, then schedule for the next game, then play that game, then schedule for the next game. With this kind of format, it might take the whole week or two(if players actually have time to follow the schedule) to finish a series. Comparing to current online team league, which players will only play their particular game, GSTL format is really hard to do it online. It's impossible to schedule for 7+7 players and 2 casters to play it live.

BeefyKnight

United States127 Posts

May 19 2011 04:15 GMT

#30

I agree that the GSTL is much more entertaining then the GSL. I just think games relate a players "Skill" better when they don't have time to prepare for a specific opponent.

I find I'm losing interest in the GSL simply because of the lack of "outside"(if you will) competition (Koreans competing outside Korea/"outsiders" competing in Korea) . But I'm hoping the MLG/GSL exchange program changes that. Although to be honest my hopes aren't really that high. Considering the Koreans have so much more to gain then the foreigners.

SweetAs

New Zealand290 Posts

May 19 2011 08:17 GMT

#31

The GSTL format is horrible tbh. Well that's a massive overreaction, but it's nothing special, it's to short for anything to be hyped. What they should do imo, is adopt the broodwar proleague system for pure win. Extend the gap between code S/A seasons to make room for a more indepth and more exciting teamleague.. like the proleague system.

Novalisk

Israel1818 Posts

May 19 2011 08:23 GMT

#32

There is the EG Master's cup, and there are rumors of the GSTL expanding in the next seasons.

Primadog

United States4411 Posts

May 19 2011 08:31 GMT

#33

I would love it if at MLG Columbus the teams would do some impromptu team league in this format. By my count, MLG Dallas had at least 12 teams with more than 3 players in attendence. Having a team tournament run on the side would make the upcoming MLG even better.

TMmingus

Sweden13 Posts

May 19 2011 08:33 GMT

#34

I would love to se a big team leauge like beasty is talking about. Especially from a spectators point of view, this would be killer! Thx for the idea beasty! Great stuff.

Whiplash

United States2928 Posts

May 19 2011 08:37 GMT

#35

I would love if there was a format like the GSTL but the teams had to qualify though some sort of preliminaries, and the top 8 teams or so would be part of a bracket.

cYaN

Norway3322 Posts

May 19 2011 08:45 GMT

#36

I just want to talk about this idea that bo1 group stages is bad in every way. I dunno where this idea came from, incontrol & co on sotg maybe? I dunno.

bo1 groupstage is pretty standard for bw and was never a problem. msl/osl ran mostly with this format (some changes over the years, but enough to use as an example). It is not you lose one game, you're out. It's you lose two games, you're out. That's like bo3 single elim. ie. tsl3.

Taking this to the next stage and blaming it for players going to code a and simply stating as fact that it's bad is just silly to me. And apparently to you. Because in the second paragraph you seem to imply that a bo3 single elim is bad because people can prepare so well.

I really disagree with the "bo1 group play is bad in every situation". In certain situations, like if players have flown in and they might get eliminated after 2 games that might be a problem. But in any situation? come on now, get off the bandwagon.

pAzand

Sweden539 Posts

May 19 2011 08:57 GMT

#37

Qualifiers in to a 8 team LAN over 3 days (Ro8 - Ro4 - Finals/3rd place match), TSTL.

fer

Canada375 Posts

May 19 2011 09:00 GMT

#38

On May 19 2011 10:56 Beastyqt wrote:
So bottom line is, why isnt there team-league like GSTL outside korea? Lets be honest everyone is "bored" now after TSL, there wont be any other tournament like TSL any time soon (until next TSL) so why cant we have foreign GSTL meanwhile that would be hyped just as TSL with awesome casters and best foreign teams out there?

...

♥ Beasty

? Not bored at all, speak for yourself. I loathed the TSL format actually (still loved the games).
I agree with you a nicei GSTL like tournament would be pretty cool. Part of what makes the GSTL (and GSL) so exciting is that they're 'offline'. But of course the foreign scene as a whole is not yet as committed, or concentrated for that matter, as to have everyone move in and live in the same region, and enable this sort of events. EG's cup is as good as it goes I'd say.

Morale

Sweden1010 Posts

May 19 2011 09:03 GMT

#39

GSTL wont happend anywhere else then in Korea since half the excitment is the see who actually goes down from the bench.

TheAmazombie

United States3714 Posts

May 19 2011 09:06 GMT

#40

On this note, what I would like to see is some league or sponsor put up a huge prize in a Winner-Take-All tourney broadcasted live over a weekend or something. That is something in the tourney scene that I think would be so exciting. This is why I like those first GSLs so much more because it although not winner-take-all, it was just a simple tourney to qualify, no status or anything, huge money on the line, single elim. That was fun because it was exciting.