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On May 25 2011 01:47 TempeRr wrote:
As an observer i personally don't find team games nearly as interesting or exciting. They seem very fragile due to the fact that a large blow to a single ally will create a very big lead to the attacking team. Team games end up being drawn out for long after they are won/lost...
Team league not team game.
The idea is awesome, love the format, but the biggest problem is that it's not live and in person. Half of the entertainment value of the GSTL are the reactions and ceremonies. The games are great, the format is great, but it loses some of the magic if it's played online. One of the advantages of South Korea being so small and localized.
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Couldn't the OP add a TL;DR? Thats a massive block of text :/
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It's too simplistic to blame GSL for having boring finals and praise GSTL for having great ones. Most of that is sheer luck. Team league formats do happen for more upsets because unknown players have a relative advantage, they get to snipe the better players without being known themselves really. Overall i think GSL is much better then GSTL though as it aren't bo1's. Players can adjust during the series and prepare in advance and in my mind the quality of the games is much better though last finals were just unluckily very poor.
TSL was also just very lucky with a great finals, stuff like that can't be prepared and is not the result of a good tournament it's sheer randomness.
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On May 26 2011 01:14 FlaminGinjaNinja wrote:
Couldn't the OP add a TL;DR? Thats a massive block of text :/
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you've gotta be kidding. what are you, 12?
good point beasty, in w3 times there was almost always some tournament with so called 'korean' format with 4 players choosed from both sides, old 4K would roll them usually with only one player like grubby, but it's really interesting format and i sure do miss it in sc2 :< thats a shame its used only in gstl and unfortunately i doubt we will see it soon, as i dont think TL is planning on adding any form of tournament other than tsl, and with eg team league already decided on format (at least for this season) they probably wont change anything at all.
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Agreed there needs to be an all kill format team league
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I agree with some of the sentiments above, that the all-kill format would not shine as well in an online tournament, but it works great at GSTL though.
Watching, say, IdrA just all-kill, say, coL, might be fun yeah. But put like Naniwa just all killing coL, or Sixjax, or something. Over the internet. Wouldn't be as good a format in my opinion.
The EG MCS is a great tournament, but I really feel like the organisation of the VODs is a massive barrier to entry. Often I just can't be arsed to search through the archives on blip, work out which week/day I'm at, and they're not even in chronological order. So I just click GSL.
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I really like the idea of getting a team league like GSTL and also to have more things to watch before TSL4. Imo the team leagues are great and i think it is fun for the players to compete in too.
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Well, i understand what you guys are talking about making a "TSTL" (for example) would be awesome but remember the TSL is a internet tournament and only the finals are at the US. We always see players of europe and north america and even Catz (hahaha ;D) playing through the internet at NASL, TSL and a lot more tourneys, you guys are thinking about a tournament with EPIC proportions for the Starcraft 2 outside of the Korea. I don't know, if team liquid or any other team/league can make something at least close to the proportion of the GSTL and all "lan" games streamed it would be unforgetable for everyone in here. Am i right ?
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On May 26 2011 18:46 Deadeight wrote:
I agree with some of the sentiments above, that the all-kill format would not shine as well in an online tournament, but it works great at GSTL though.
Watching, say, IdrA just all-kill, say, coL, might be fun yeah. But put like Naniwa just all killing coL, or Sixjax, or something. Over the internet. Wouldn't be as good a format in my opinion.
The EG MCS is a great tournament, but I really feel like the organisation of the VODs is a massive barrier to entry. Often I just can't be arsed to search through the archives on blip, work out which week/day I'm at, and they're not even in chronological order. So I just click GSL.
I don't think you'd see as many all-kills as you seem to be assuming. I doubt IdrA or naniwa could all-kill top european teams more than once in a blue moon, and even strong NA teams would be pretty tough.
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CEVO and ESEA were 2 good team leagues, they just didn't get any hype really.
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I'd actually love if there were a proleague format team league with the WEIGHT of the BW proleague - even if it's only 8 (plus or minus) teams. I really like the NASL because dropping a set doesnt knock you out, just puts you behind - this is also why I still watch the BW pro leagues, even though I miss most MSL and OSL matches until they start getting close to the finals.
I prefer standard proleague format over winner's league/GSTL format personally, but I believe that it's a personal preference. I like the idea of sending out a player based on the map more than the "wait for x player to show up and send out Y to snipe him" mentality.
On May 26 2011 18:46 Deadeight wrote:
The EG MCS is a great tournament, but I really feel like the organisation of the VODs is a massive barrier to entry. Often I just can't be arsed to search through the archives on blip, work out which week/day I'm at, and they're not even in chronological order. So I just click GSL.
Oh man, I'm not the only one who feels this way. I can't keep up with a tournament if I can't watch vods! Even trying to keep up with BW is easier when I have no recourse besides searching youtube for the matches i missed, rather than trying to navigate the poor organization of the EG master's cup vods. (and I ALWAYS get spoiled, too. =[ )
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Honestly a huge tournament would be something with the prize pool and goal as NASL, but offline and with more stable (no insults to current casters) casters, preferably four at most.
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MLG will probably branch out and do it eventually
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I'm sure it will happen eventually. Liquid, Root, Dignitas, EG, Sixjax, and FXO are all sending 4+ players to MLG Colombus. In a year or two we'll probably see entire teams sent to events.
I'm sure team leagues would be more popular than individual leagues, its just that the extra viewers isn't worth the extra costs right now.
Its tough to capture "team spirit" online where there's only gameplay footage and third-party commentary. Especially when the games are blind BO3s (for easy scheduling) instead of winner-stays format.
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