• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 23:17
CEST 05:17
KST 12:17
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash8[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy16ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple6Aligulac acquired by REPLAYMAN.com/Stego Research8Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool49Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win4
StarCraft 2
General
What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2) Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy Aligulac acquired by REPLAYMAN.com/Stego Research Weekly Cups (March 23-29): herO takes triple herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational
Tourneys
RSL Season 4 announced for March-April Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) WardiTV Mondays World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open
Strategy
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
Mutation # 519 Inner Power The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion Gypsy to Korea How Can I Add Timer & APM Count? A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro24 Group F [ASL21] Ro24 Group E Azhi's Colosseum - Foreign KCM Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game General RTS Discussion Thread Darkest Dungeon
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Canadian Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT] Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 9038 users

Why isnt there one? - Page 8

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 6 7 8 All
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
May 25 2011 16:05 GMT
#141
On May 25 2011 01:47 TempeRr wrote:
As an observer i personally don't find team games nearly as interesting or exciting. They seem very fragile due to the fact that a large blow to a single ally will create a very big lead to the attacking team. Team games end up being drawn out for long after they are won/lost...

Team league not team game.

The idea is awesome, love the format, but the biggest problem is that it's not live and in person. Half of the entertainment value of the GSTL are the reactions and ceremonies. The games are great, the format is great, but it loses some of the magic if it's played online. One of the advantages of South Korea being so small and localized.
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
FlaminGinjaNinja
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United Kingdom879 Posts
May 25 2011 16:14 GMT
#142
Couldn't the OP add a TL;DR? Thats a massive block of text :/

User was warned for this post
GinjaNinja.661 EU I'd like to thank my sh*t keyyboard for always messing up my 'Y's
Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
May 25 2011 16:16 GMT
#143
It's too simplistic to blame GSL for having boring finals and praise GSTL for having great ones. Most of that is sheer luck. Team league formats do happen for more upsets because unknown players have a relative advantage, they get to snipe the better players without being known themselves really. Overall i think GSL is much better then GSTL though as it aren't bo1's. Players can adjust during the series and prepare in advance and in my mind the quality of the games is much better though last finals were just unluckily very poor.

TSL was also just very lucky with a great finals, stuff like that can't be prepared and is not the result of a good tournament it's sheer randomness.
Niklai
Profile Joined March 2011
289 Posts
May 25 2011 17:25 GMT
#144
On May 26 2011 01:14 FlaminGinjaNinja wrote:
Couldn't the OP add a TL;DR? Thats a massive block of text :/

User was warned for this post


you've gotta be kidding. what are you, 12?

good point beasty, in w3 times there was almost always some tournament with so called 'korean' format with 4 players choosed from both sides, old 4K would roll them usually with only one player like grubby, but it's really interesting format and i sure do miss it in sc2 :< thats a shame its used only in gstl and unfortunately i doubt we will see it soon, as i dont think TL is planning on adding any form of tournament other than tsl, and with eg team league already decided on format (at least for this season) they probably wont change anything at all.
drgonzhere
Profile Joined November 2010
United States447 Posts
May 26 2011 06:14 GMT
#145
Agreed there needs to be an all kill format team league
Dictator for Life of the PuMa Fanclub/ DRG, PuMA, Sage, Puzzle, MMA Fighting!
Deadeight
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1629 Posts
May 26 2011 09:46 GMT
#146
I agree with some of the sentiments above, that the all-kill format would not shine as well in an online tournament, but it works great at GSTL though.

Watching, say, IdrA just all-kill, say, coL, might be fun yeah. But put like Naniwa just all killing coL, or Sixjax, or something. Over the internet. Wouldn't be as good a format in my opinion.


The EG MCS is a great tournament, but I really feel like the organisation of the VODs is a massive barrier to entry. Often I just can't be arsed to search through the archives on blip, work out which week/day I'm at, and they're not even in chronological order. So I just click GSL.
Jockewolf
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden23 Posts
May 26 2011 11:31 GMT
#147
I really like the idea of getting a team league like GSTL and also to have more things to watch before TSL4. Imo the team leagues are great and i think it is fun for the players to compete in too.
"Random op" - Guy on ladder
KaueCastro
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil18 Posts
May 26 2011 21:59 GMT
#148
Well, i understand what you guys are talking about making a "TSTL" (for example) would be awesome but remember the TSL is a internet tournament and only the finals are at the US. We always see players of europe and north america and even Catz (hahaha ;D) playing through the internet at NASL, TSL and a lot more tourneys, you guys are thinking about a tournament with EPIC proportions for the Starcraft 2 outside of the Korea. I don't know, if team liquid or any other team/league can make something at least close to the proportion of the GSTL and all "lan" games streamed it would be unforgetable for everyone in here. Am i right ?
iSTime
Profile Joined November 2006
1579 Posts
May 26 2011 22:02 GMT
#149
On May 26 2011 18:46 Deadeight wrote:
I agree with some of the sentiments above, that the all-kill format would not shine as well in an online tournament, but it works great at GSTL though.

Watching, say, IdrA just all-kill, say, coL, might be fun yeah. But put like Naniwa just all killing coL, or Sixjax, or something. Over the internet. Wouldn't be as good a format in my opinion.


The EG MCS is a great tournament, but I really feel like the organisation of the VODs is a massive barrier to entry. Often I just can't be arsed to search through the archives on blip, work out which week/day I'm at, and they're not even in chronological order. So I just click GSL.


I don't think you'd see as many all-kills as you seem to be assuming. I doubt IdrA or naniwa could all-kill top european teams more than once in a blue moon, and even strong NA teams would be pretty tough.
www.infinityseven.net
hoor3x
Profile Joined September 2010
United States100 Posts
May 27 2011 18:10 GMT
#150
CEVO and ESEA were 2 good team leagues, they just didn't get any hype really.
sylverfyre
Profile Joined May 2010
United States8298 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-28 01:05:40
May 28 2011 01:02 GMT
#151
I'd actually love if there were a proleague format team league with the WEIGHT of the BW proleague - even if it's only 8 (plus or minus) teams. I really like the NASL because dropping a set doesnt knock you out, just puts you behind - this is also why I still watch the BW pro leagues, even though I miss most MSL and OSL matches until they start getting close to the finals.

I prefer standard proleague format over winner's league/GSTL format personally, but I believe that it's a personal preference. I like the idea of sending out a player based on the map more than the "wait for x player to show up and send out Y to snipe him" mentality.

On May 26 2011 18:46 Deadeight wrote:
The EG MCS is a great tournament, but I really feel like the organisation of the VODs is a massive barrier to entry. Often I just can't be arsed to search through the archives on blip, work out which week/day I'm at, and they're not even in chronological order. So I just click GSL.


Oh man, I'm not the only one who feels this way. I can't keep up with a tournament if I can't watch vods! Even trying to keep up with BW is easier when I have no recourse besides searching youtube for the matches i missed, rather than trying to navigate the poor organization of the EG master's cup vods. (and I ALWAYS get spoiled, too. =[ )
epikAnglory
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States1120 Posts
May 28 2011 03:28 GMT
#152
Honestly a huge tournament would be something with the prize pool and goal as NASL, but offline and with more stable (no insults to current casters) casters, preferably four at most.
710+ Posts with a Probe Icon =D
zyzski
Profile Joined May 2010
United States698 Posts
May 28 2011 03:32 GMT
#153
MLG will probably branch out and do it eventually
TYBG
kNightLite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States408 Posts
May 28 2011 04:54 GMT
#154
I'm sure it will happen eventually. Liquid, Root, Dignitas, EG, Sixjax, and FXO are all sending 4+ players to MLG Colombus. In a year or two we'll probably see entire teams sent to events.

I'm sure team leagues would be more popular than individual leagues, its just that the extra viewers isn't worth the extra costs right now.

Its tough to capture "team spirit" online where there's only gameplay footage and third-party commentary. Especially when the games are blind BO3s (for easy scheduling) instead of winner-stays format.
Prev 1 6 7 8 All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
The PiG Daily
21:00
Best Games of SC
Reynor vs Zoun
SHIN vs ByuN
herO vs sOs
Maru vs SHIN
Clem vs Bunny
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
WinterStarcraft380
PiLiPiLi 194
RuFF_SC2 186
Ketroc 41
StarCraft: Brood War
Sea 2019
Free 1483
Backho 132
ggaemo 86
NaDa 49
sSak 44
910 43
Jaeyun 17
Icarus 12
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm128
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
taco 847
Super Smash Bros
C9.Mang0275
Other Games
tarik_tv5203
JimRising 462
ViBE140
Fuzer 82
Mew2King56
amsayoshi36
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1139
BasetradeTV162
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH156
• musti20045 25
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki12
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo704
• Stunt292
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
6h 43m
Maru vs MaxPax
BSL
15h 43m
RSL Revival
1d 3h
Cure vs Rogue
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 10h
BSL
1d 15h
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Kung Fu Cup
4 days
[ Show More ]
The PondCast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W1
WardiTV Winter 2026
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
ASL Season 21
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026

Upcoming

CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.