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rexob
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden202 Posts
May 19 2011 13:00 GMT
#61
i agree that the GSTL is much more interesting that the usual GSL code S finals
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CursedRich
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom737 Posts
May 19 2011 13:03 GMT
#62
The thing that really makes the GSTL is the fact that they are playing it in a LAN environment, so yes Beasty I agree but would like to see a team league in a LAN, I obviously realise that this is very hard to achieve logistically
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KristianJS
Profile Joined October 2009
2107 Posts
May 19 2011 13:21 GMT
#63
One of the reasons the GSTL shows so much team spirit is because all the players in both teams are sitting together at the venue cheering for their players, doing ceremonies against eachother etc. It would really be great if something like that could happen for foreigners too, but I guess due to teams living spread out it may be impossible.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES51624 Posts
May 19 2011 13:27 GMT
#64
On May 19 2011 11:28 Beastyqt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 19 2011 11:23 Adebisi wrote:
The main problem with the GSTL format, which I believe is winner's league (someone correct me if i'm wrong, I always confuse winner's league/pro league, regardless, winner stays on format) being used outside of Korea, is every foreign team is extremely international (or at least the viewers would want the teams to be both Europe + NA), so having your pool of 7 players on at the same time, not necessarily even getting to play is very problematic, especially when the prize pool of most team leagues is dwarfed by the big individual events, so the incentive isn't there for teams to participate in these types of leagues. I hope this will change in the future but I think it will take some time, the scene needs to get abit more stable, the new leagues like NASL and IPL are still very much treading into new territory.

Posts like this help though, I really think the community is hungry for this type of event, EGMC is good and all, but winner's league is the best.

PS I <3 u beastyqt, also props to the SGLeague, are they doing another season? It was awesome but never got really embraced :[


You dont need 7 players its BO7 = you need 4 players


if you are talking about Winner's League format then you might only need 4 players,but if you are talking about the Proleage format,which is winner does not stay to play the next player you need at least 6 players.
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eloist
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1017 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-19 13:35:16
May 19 2011 13:30 GMT
#65
On May 19 2011 11:20 cuppatea wrote:
it blows my mind that we still haven't seen an SC2 equivalent of the WC3L. It was a major team league in WC3 run by the ESL that ran for like 15 seasons, had LAN finals for the top 4 teams, tens of thousands of dollars in prize money and featured all of the world's best players. It was such a big deal in WC3 that teams bankrupted themselves signing the best players on huge contracts to try and win it.

Those times were awesome.

On a different note, SC2 needs to regionalize more. The EPS, for all the flak that it gets, is a good thing, actually allowing for offline events to happen. All these online invitationals with the same players from around the world playing each other are ultimately meaningless and I as a viewer am tiring of them.
FuRong
Profile Joined April 2010
New Zealand3089 Posts
May 19 2011 13:49 GMT
#66
I think the biggest problem with the idea is that online team leagues don't offer nearly the same amount of excitement and drama as offline events.

Half of the excitement from GSTL comes from the crazy ceremonies, the camera panning across the team to see who will come out next...shots of the players in the booth after winning or losing. Even if the games are really high quality, I don't think you can really replicate the same thing with an online league imo.
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laguu
Profile Joined October 2009
Finland278 Posts
May 19 2011 13:51 GMT
#67
On May 19 2011 22:21 KristianJS wrote:
One of the reasons the GSTL shows so much team spirit is because all the players in both teams are sitting together at the venue cheering for their players, doing ceremonies against eachother etc. It would really be great if something like that could happen for foreigners too, but I guess due to teams living spread out it may be impossible.


Another thing is that they live and practice together and are basically a family.
Arguing with a fool proves there are two.
SuperStyle
Profile Joined March 2011
United States976 Posts
May 19 2011 14:05 GMT
#68
On May 19 2011 13:01 Chill wrote:
GSTL format requires 10 players, streamers, commentators, and referees sitting around for hours.

Normal teamleague doesn't.


What are u talking about,
For GSTL format u need 4 players for bo7 and 5 players for bo9, and im 100% every major team in EU and NA has even more than that.
Streamers, commentators and referees ? What tournament doesnt have them, even go4sc2 has them all, even craftcups and so did TSL and so does EG masters cup.
gitarrojoe
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany69 Posts
May 19 2011 14:16 GMT
#69
i agree that GSTL is more exciting to watch than usual tournaments. its sad the reason for this is the preperation on 1on1 matchups, since cheese became such a big part of sc2 Bo/x...i like the idea of pro teams playing opponents they cant "counter" because of preperation and thereby have to improvise and react more. cheering for a team is really nice imo
TheAwesomeAll
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands1609 Posts
May 19 2011 14:23 GMT
#70
i always loved the proleague 'king of the hill' format, there was no better way for Hyuk to break through, i remember it as one of the most hilarious and epic happenings in SC BW. I loved it how all of the sudden this no name players came out, with only one goal : snipe bisu/flash/jaedong, and then succeed. Also the dramatic finals with reverse all kills simply made for an EPIC format. I would love it to return <3
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W2
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1177 Posts
May 19 2011 14:27 GMT
#71
Part of the enjoyment is watching the ceremonies and bench player reactions etc. Clans are too spread out in the foreigner scene, and tournaments cannot be done in person. Hence, team leagues like EGMC become less prestigious, and are more of a clan war for money.
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alepov
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands1132 Posts
May 19 2011 14:29 GMT
#72
i dont think a top team outside korea would ever get allkilled by a random (unknown) guy
all the people below the obvious topplayers are clearly worse otherwise they would make it through more qualifiers and smaller cups

in korea there's only one big tournament and it's really hard to get into/through code a, so many very good players remain unknown for longer than they should

but ofc, more leagues would be better =) and i do like the tgsl format
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MyNameIsAlex
Profile Joined March 2011
Greece827 Posts
May 19 2011 14:30 GMT
#73
we need the equilevant to the good old wc3l... it ran for like 15 seasons?
UberThing
Profile Joined April 2010
Great Britain410 Posts
May 19 2011 14:33 GMT
#74
On May 19 2011 13:01 Chill wrote:
GSTL format requires 10 players, streamers, commentators, and referees sitting around for hours.

Normal teamleague doesn't.


What is stopping a team league winners stays on at a live event like MLG?
Wag1
Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England2014 Posts
May 19 2011 14:36 GMT
#75
On May 19 2011 23:29 alepov wrote:
i dont think a top team outside korea would ever get allkilled by a random (unknown) guy
all the people below the obvious topplayers are clearly worse otherwise they would make it through more qualifiers and smaller cups

in korea there's only one big tournament and it's really hard to get into/through code a, so many very good players remain unknown for longer than they should

but ofc, more leagues would be better =) and i do like the tgsl format

Thorzain was relatively unknown, Happy (albeit well known from WC3) has just burst on the scene very impressively too. Cruncher?. Its possible. I like the idea Beasty, and also prefer that format to the EG cup.
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
Voldron
Profile Joined February 2011
Greece91 Posts
May 19 2011 14:39 GMT
#76
I think your idrea is very good. But i would like to see a liquid team league. Like TSL. Team Liquid starcraft 2 team league or something. And watch like TSL every weekend. With free stream. I trully beleive more people that GSTL will watch cuz now a starcraft fan has to pay GOM , NASL , MLG ... its gettin too expensive. So overall i think its doable and quite a nice idea. Lets hope team liquid considers it. Great post.
Beastyqt
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Serbia516 Posts
May 19 2011 14:41 GMT
#77
On May 19 2011 23:29 alepov wrote:
i dont think a top team outside korea would ever get allkilled by a random (unknown) guy
all the people below the obvious topplayers are clearly worse otherwise they would make it through more qualifiers and smaller cups

in korea there's only one big tournament and it's really hard to get into/through code a, so many very good players remain unknown for longer than they should

but ofc, more leagues would be better =) and i do like the tgsl format


In SGL EG was all-killed by terran called PredY from team eSuba - even thought he might be known in EU I doubt many people in NA know him ---> http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=185064
Stream: http://www.twitch.tv/Beastyqt YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/beastyqtsc2
Gman1216
Profile Joined May 2010
United States97 Posts
May 19 2011 14:49 GMT
#78
Why doesn't MLG start a team league you invite the teams of the players that come over in the exchange program they started. Would be pretty expensive but imagine oGs vs VT would be pretty cool.
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Klaent
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden374 Posts
May 19 2011 14:52 GMT
#79
Well said. I agree, more team leagues! Fun for the players and for the fans.
One thing i would like tho(might be a bit off topic), is to hear/read the talk within the team when they choose their next player. Ofc thier oppenents doesnt get to hear/read how they are thinking, only the viewers and the casters.
This can be done in many ways, either you just bring the team leader on skype and he says who they are sending and why. Or you just put one team in a b.net chat channel and the casters join that channel and show it on the stream as players are discussing.
Im not sure whats the best option for this, i just think it would be very entertaining to watch, "No lets save Naniwa for Idra" etc ^^
"On a scale from 1 to Idra, how mad are you right now?" -ROOTDestiny
SunTzuEU
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Sweden221 Posts
May 19 2011 15:55 GMT
#80
This is something thats been annoying me for a long time, there's a couple of team leagues but they are all 4x1v1 + 1x2v2 format. While this is a pretty fair format, the all-kill format is just THAT much more entertaining. I really hope there will be a foreign GSTL equivalent!
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