EPTThe Problem with Korea - Page 5
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Vorlik
1522 Posts
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nAgeDitto
United States428 Posts
On May 18 2011 06:04 fire_brand wrote: Strictly speaking, from a fan's perspective, I'd still rather watch the GSL over any other tournament I've watched so far. It feels like I'm watching the best SC2 in the world and the production value and work reflects that. It feels like a spectacle. Making it online would be destroy that mystic. . Minus the finals of course >.> but yeah. gsl seems to have more awesome sets than any other tournaments. (Not that that other tournaments don't have great matchups) | ||
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JoeSchmoe
Canada2058 Posts
On May 18 2011 05:53 MorroW wrote: was a good read. i agree with the issues and the reasoning behind them however i think the solutions are kinda eh 1) Make Code A an online tournament personally i think it would just make code a less interesting overall to watch and also i think its unfair that many games would be given win to wrong player because of latency and lag. on top of it it also produces worse games i think 2) Invite foreigners directly into Code S this would only make sense if you really really deserved an invite. winning mlg, dreamhack or iem wouldnt be enough i think i think combining the 2 solutions into 1 would make more sense. make 1 online qualifer for foreigners only, big bracket with all the big names (128 ppl or so) then the winner gets code s invite But making Code A online and inviting foreigners would be equivalent to how NASL works right now. Then I'm assuming you disagree with the NASL system of inviting Koreans because of the latency issue? I remember you talking about taking advantage of it at times. On May 18 2011 05:32 R3N wrote: Too bad there are practically no tournaments in Korea asides the GSL. And it all boils down to The GOM TV monopoly. Please don't make up facts. GOM TV has no monopoly over broadcasting starcraft in korea. They have a partnership with Blizzard. If you want to host your own mini-tournament or w/e, you don't contact GOM, you contact Blizzard. | ||
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Hikari
1914 Posts
NASL and MLG are already seeing a good portion of korean representation: I am curious to see if korean players will move to the foreign training houses, just like how TL sent players to korea. | ||
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LemonyTang
United Kingdom428 Posts
On May 18 2011 06:12 JoeSchmoe wrote: Please don't make up facts. GOM TV has no monopoly over broadcasting starcraft in korea. They have a partnership with Blizzard. If you want to host your own mini-tournament or w/e, you don't contact GOM, you contact Blizzard. GOMTV have exclusive broadcasting rights to Korean TV. Fact. Especially with the news about Kespa and Blizzard you'd think you'd know about this | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
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RvB
Netherlands6204 Posts
On May 18 2011 05:14 Senx wrote: I can definantly understand players and teams perspective when they look at korea vs non-korean tournaments. I mean to be honest the number of big tournaments and the potential income you can get from playing non-korean tournaments far outweights the ONE small chance you have of placing high in the most stacked league in the world - GSL code S. So yeah, there's really no reason to play in korea anymore - you're actually missing out on more than you gain from being there. Just mindlessly practicing on the korean ladder will only get you so far, its not enough of a reason to travel all the way over there. Lets not even talk about code A. Foreign scene has never been this strong and its only getting stronger. Since GOM has exclusive rights to SC2 in korea for 2 years, it will be a few years before Korea can retake its position as the place to be for any player. Assuming OGN and MBC actually does something with SC2. Dreamhack, MLG, TSL, IPL, NASL and ESL > GSL. Gom has the ability to give out sub licenses if other companies want to create tournaments the question is whether Gom is not willing to give them out or if there just aren't any companies that are willing to create tournaments. | ||
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JoeSchmoe
Canada2058 Posts
On May 18 2011 06:14 LemonyTang wrote: GOMTV have exclusive broadcasting rights to Korean TV. Fact. Especially with the news about Kespa and Blizzard you'd think you'd know about this I was aware of broadcasting rights on Korean TV. But unless I'm mistaken, they have no control of other smaller tournaments broadcasted through online streams? It would be difficult to schedule these small tournaments (maybe last a weekend) on TV anyways. | ||
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Sharp-eYe
Canada642 Posts
On May 18 2011 05:14 Senx wrote: I can definantly understand players and teams perspective when they look at korea vs non-korean tournaments. I mean to be honest the number of big tournaments and the potential income you can get from playing non-korean tournaments far outweights the ONE small chance you have of placing high in the most stacked league in the world - GSL code S. So yeah, there's really no reason to play in korea anymore - you're actually missing out on more than you gain from being there. Just mindlessly practicing on the korean ladder will only get you so far, its not enough of a reason to travel all the way over there. Lets not even talk about code A. Foreign scene has never been this strong and its only getting stronger. Since GOM has exclusive rights to SC2 in korea for 2 years, it will be a few years before Korea can retake its position as the place to be for any player. Assuming OGN and MBC actually does something with SC2. Dreamhack, MLG, TSL, IPL, NASL and ESL > GSL. I agree with this post. I remember reading in some Boxer bio that there were SO MANY tournaments in Korea before sc1 was broadcasted because people liked Vanilla and BW so much. Now its just.. GSL? | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
On May 18 2011 04:56 Xeris wrote: Korea is amazing. I've watched all the GSL final events, and love them. The foreign fans love the Korean tournaments. If the GSL wants to become truly global however, more concessions need to be made to make the highest echelons more accessible to foreign players. It can't be a one way street. So far, no Korean has ever had to qualify for a foreign event, but every single foreign has had to qualify for a Korean event. This is a big problem! Nice post, I just want to point out that this isn't true. HuK, Haypro, Ret and Moonglade were invited to Code A. I also disagree with making Code A an online tournament for reasons already stated by others in this thread. | ||
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Mista_Masta
Netherlands557 Posts
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
I'm all for the ideas in this thread and I wish there was an easy way to solve the communities problems but at the same time I feel like the problems the community has are brought up because of the community. Its a bitch. | ||
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awu25
United States2003 Posts
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Deleted User 3420
24492 Posts
So it's a win either way, right guys?  | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
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DirtYLOu
575 Posts
On May 18 2011 06:22 travis wrote: The good news is that if korea stays largely separate from the foreigner scene outside of korea, we will have the most exciting WCGs ever. So it's a win either way, right guys? How is that ? O_O I don't get your thinking. And the problem is not that Foreigners can't move to Korea cuz of late announcements by GOM, or anything like that. It's hard to find PROFESSIONAL players outside of KOREA, that actually will just play X hours a day every day. It has nothing to do with culture etc.( In my opinion ) | ||
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Hondelul
1999 Posts
Can´t say much about it but online Code A would not be very interesting in my opinion. That would take the tournament all the flair it has. You have to work very hard to own the privilege to be in Code S and that´s ok imo. I mean Korean have to get to Code A (perhaps the hardest) get to Up/Down and fight into Code S, it would be too easy for a foreigner to be seeded in Code S for winning an foreign tournament (max Up/Down matches, seems even GOM sees this different I might be quite alone with this)+ Show Spoiler + Big letdown as I started reading at "I got an email..." in Xeris sentence "If today I got an email from GOM saying that they wanted to include some non Korean teams in the July/August version of the GSTL" Was so excited for an extended GSTL with 16 teams 8 korean/8 foreign. Would be no prob to be for that short time in korea for most pro´s I guess. I´m sad now | ||
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Q8_Devil
United Kingdom63 Posts
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Golgotha
Korea (South)8418 Posts
Come on xeris....you have a problem with them not flying people to Korea...well what organization can pay for the tickets of over 5 players in one sitting? Can Nasl? Yeah, it sucks they can't get a free ride to Korea but you can't say that is a PROBLEM when no other organization can do such a thing and when GOM has been so great about the foreign scene. my 2 cents. | ||
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MusiK
United States302 Posts
They should keep it as the main tournament while starting other smaller leagues. | ||
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