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was a good read. i agree with the issues and the reasoning behind them however i think the solutions are kinda eh
1) Make Code A an online tournament
personally i think it would just make code a less interesting overall to watch and also i think its unfair that many games would be given win to wrong player because of latency and lag. on top of it it also produces worse games i think
2) Invite foreigners directly into Code S
this would only make sense if you really really deserved an invite. winning mlg, dreamhack or iem wouldnt be enough i think
i think combining the 2 solutions into 1 would make more sense. make 1 online qualifer for foreigners only, big bracket with all the big names (128 ppl or so) then the winner gets code s invite
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Why not create a sort of super league like the Champion's League in European soccer? Participants in this league would be chosen through finishing at the top of another event ranked according to the difficulty of the event:
Top 4 from GSL
Top 3 from TSL
Top 3 from NASL
Top 2 from MLG
Etc...
The trouble with this is that there's no shared calendar in the world of pro Starcraft but regardless of the difficulties, as a fan I would really like to see this happen. Thoughts?
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In two years time I don't think you will have to worry about that xza. In fact, I would say the top Korean players will hardly find enough time to tour the world and play in other events because they'll be swamped with tournaments (OGN, MBC, etc.).
I don't think KeSPA could have gotten a better deal when you look at the length of the term. Once this agreement is over, Blizzard will be releasing the last expansion pack for SC2. The game should be more polished by then.
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I get the point that you're trying to put across. I don't share your perspective that there is some problem with Korea. I don't think it should be easy for a foreigner to get into Code S, its the major leagues of SC2.
The foreigners that are good enough to compete there have had some success there, the ones that aren't good enough either haven't been there, or haven't succeeded. The list of foreigners good enough to compete in Code S is VERY short.
This doesn't mean that there is a "problem" with Korea.
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I don't see what the problem with not having many foreigners in the GSL is. Sure, it invalidates the "global" bit, but other than that the only argument you could put forward is there's no way to measure the ability of foreigners against koreans.
GOM's current LAN set up makes for awesome spectator viewing, because seeing the players adds another level that tournaments like TSL, IPL and NASL lack. I don't think making Code A an online tournament would be a good thing at all, with regards to this view.
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On May 18 2011 05:53 MorroW wrote:
was a good read. i agree with the issues and the reasoning behind them however i think the solutions are kinda eh
1) Make Code A an online tournament
personally i think it would just make code a less interesting overall to watch and also i think its unfair that many games would be given win to wrong player because of latency and lag. on top of it it also produces worse games i think
2) Invite foreigners directly into Code S
this would only make sense if you really really deserved an invite. winning mlg, dreamhack or iem wouldnt be enough i think
i think combining the 2 solutions into 1 would make more sense. make 1 online qualifer for foreigners only, big bracket with all the big names (128 ppl or so) then the winner gets code s invite
Good idea. I just think the language barrier + no viable practice partners is going to haunt foreigners in Korea until someone sets up an actual foreign team house (1 team, not just a group of foreign guys). I don't know how to solve the problem, but I hope some accommodations can be made.
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It could never be an online tournament. The lag would be so bad that the foreigners would not stand a chance.
According to Idra the korean players games across servers (Korea to NA or EU) should not even be considered when accessing their skill. If the Koreans can't play in the lag, I think most of us can agree that no foreigner could do it, especially seeing as no foreigner has even come close to winning Code A even
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On May 18 2011 05:57 Zorkmid wrote:
The list of foreigners good enough to compete in Code S is VERY short.
Huk is VERY short! Coincidence?
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its odd that a lot of these problems could be solved by Korea to NA being playable so foreigners coud at least compete in online tournaments. (Thank you blizzard)
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Great write-up. I realized this myself when they touched upon this on SotG the other day. It's sad, but true. D:
Hopefully now that the Blizzard-Kespa thing has been settled, we'll see some more big tournaments eventually, making exchange programs more worth it. As for now, I can't imagine many players taking code A invites unless it's not an issue financially speaking.
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On May 18 2011 05:59 GoKu` wrote:
its odd that a lot of these problems could be solved by Korea to NA being playable so foreigners coud at least compete in online tournaments. (Thank you blizzard)
I agree, the clear solution is to this is to move Korea closer to the US. We can put it on top of Utah or Idaho.
... Obviously there is no way Blizzard can fix the lag between KR and NA.
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very nice read.
i really like the idea of online qualifications for code a, however, there still is the latency problem, which, i don't see being fixed any time soon ><.
Also with only 32 code s slots (16definite, 16variable) doesn't seem like enough with all of the talent around the world. One could argue that there are a handful of foreigners that can/could play on the level of "code s" which once again draws back to only having 32 slots which is seemingly not enough.
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good write up on this situation, i fully agree.
Code A is pretty weak atm, and completely unappealing.
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The fewer online tournaments, the better. That's why GSL, MLG, Dreamhack, IEM will always be superior tournies than TSL, NASL, and IPL.
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I completely disagree with making Code A online. There's no method to ensure the integrity of gameplay online. How do you know that the person in the game is the same person that's supposed to be there or whether or not he's using 3rd party applications. Furthermore, how do you overcome the cross-regional lag issue that everyone always complains about in online tournaments? While Code S is the main goal, Code A is still a fiercely competitive tournament and despite its low payout, still too prestigious in my opinion to be online and cross-regional.
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On May 18 2011 06:01 PhiliBiRD wrote:
good write up on this situation, i fully agree.
Code A is pretty weak atm, and completely unappealing.
I agree it's pretty weak from the point of MOVING there to compete in it, but it's the second best show out there.
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Very informative write-up.
The fact the the MLG winner gets code S in future tournaments makes me think that it'll be the easy road for a Korean like DonraeGu to get into code S and stay there. Maybe a #1 in MLG isn't as easy as I make it sound, but you could make the case that it'd be worth a serious shot for any Korean with prospects of doing well.
Overall, I love the decision by both MLG and GOM to have an exchange program. The details need to be hammered out and what the best value is for each side will be determined soon enough, but I hope we see a lot of interchange 
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Great article, great points. I loved the whole thing.
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I'm sure Koreans feel the same way. In a lot of winner interviews, and interviews in general Korean pros talk about wanting to go to Oversees tournaments, but have no way to go, or don't know anything about it so can't.
I feel kind of like it's a completely one sided perspective you're taking. If you look at it from GOM's pov you'd have to think they'd like to have foreigners, but they're not going to abandon everything that's worked so well for them up until now to do it.
Strictly speaking, from a fan's perspective, I'd still rather watch the GSL over any other tournament I've watched so far. It feels like I'm watching the best SC2 in the world and the production value and work reflects that. It feels like a spectacle. Making it online would be destroy that mystic.
Their needs to be some responsibility and initiative from the foreigners as well. I don't know why it's all on the Koreans to change the way they do things.
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Korea needs more tournaments
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