[May] SC2 General Discussion - Page 3

On May 18 2011 03:04 Cajun2k1 wrote:
Where's Nazgul? Haven't seen him on the forums for ages? Is he busy behind the scenes? Is he gonna compete on a high level like in the beta? Or has he given up?

On May 18 2011 03:14 bigbeau wrote:
idk i dont think you should be able to post in the strategy forum if youre under a certain level besides maybe asking the question. of course there will be masters and grandmasters who dont understand the game but i also think that if you post something that is wrong then you should be unable to post anymore.
ie someone asks if you can forcefield perfectly on a ramp to prevent warpins above (which you cant) and someone says you can. that person should be banned. but thats just my personal opinion

On May 18 2011 03:51 SoraLimit wrote:
Does anyone think the ladder is bugged? My friend, who is bronze, has been playing against nothing but silver players, and the occasional gold player now, and he still hasn't been promoted. :/

On May 17 2011 22:52 BlueSpace wrote:
Not sure if this would warrant its own thread but I was thinking that it is funny how differently players from the different races perceive various unit.

For example I'm a terran player. I know that Zerg and Protoss players will tell me how strong marines are and I know that they are right. Marines are strong but to me they are most of the time these annoying little guys, that seem to love to clump together and take collective baneling acid bath. Or sometimes they just seem to want to get a nice tan...

Do you have similar frustrations with your "OP" units?

On May 18 2011 04:50 Kotschmonaut wrote:
Hi, i'd like to mention the reintroduction of energy for thors in the recent patch and its effect on pvt.
I started to think about this after the HasuObs vs Bratok series in Nasl some days ago.

Now thors haven't been used that often in pvt, there are some strategies around it ofc ( see thorzain for example ) and they could tank damage vs protoss in very late game battles which vehicle plating upgrades. That is something which i consider very beneficial to the matchup, because in my opinion, terran really needs to have *something* supporting MMM + ghost in the late game to match the protoss army. Most PvT which i watch in tourneys, especially in NASL, terrans try to keep the Protoss down by multipronged attacks / drops, but if the protoss is skilled in defence the terran will get SERIOUS issues in late game engagements, unless he really gets perfect emps. having to rely on getting perfect emps every game is, in my opinion, just relying on luck. I dont like it.

So in hasu vs Bratok, Bratok decided to get some thors with him. and you know what, at first it really seemed to do quite good, zealot AI messed up a bit, colossi wasted some shots on them, forcefields were less of an option. BUT ofc Hasu didnt wait long with starting to feedback on the thors. they were nearly at maxed energy, instantly losing 40 % of their HP. obviously, they got smashed, bratok lost the fight clearly.

then happened what inspires me to write these lines, bratok had researched the strike cannon upgrade in the meanwhile, and before the next engagement, he decided to use strike cannon of his thors on his own SCVs, just to prevent incoming feedbacks.
I mean, without going too deep into the balance debate if a full energy HT should be able to negate the effect of 4 T 2,5 units with a total worth of 1200 min 800 gas, i think this just makes the MU so one dimensional in lategame. there is just nothing solid beyond MMM ghost, except if you really go hard mech, which is problematic on the bigger maps.

So here is my point now finally :
How schizophrenic is it to use Strike Cannons JUST to get rid of the energy ? If you are forced to do kill an own unit only to get rid of the supposed-to-be-useful energy, isnt that insane and entirely retarded ?
I honestly dont know why thor energy was repatched, thors saw some more use as of lately. Only reason i could give would be a MASSIVE overreaction by blizzard to thorzain vs MC game 5 in TSL. It isnt that thors would have been completely imbalanced in this game. Given MC had known the build and prepared against it, he would have come up with a decent counter.

Note : I am not a frustrated Terran, i play Zerg. But this just seems wrong to me.

How schizophrenic is it to use Strike Cannons JUST to get rid of the energy ? If you are forced to do kill an own unit only to get rid of the supposed-to-be-useful energy, isnt that insane and entirely retarded ?

On May 19 2011 02:27 Bleak wrote:
What is the best bo for TvZ close positions Metal/Shattered if Zerg does not go for a baneling bust and goes for speedling-expand / hatch first? I think for hatch first, it asks for 2rax bunker, but I don't know what to do in case he goes for a speedling expand. If I get baneling busted, I survive it and counter with cloaked banshees, which is usually gg. But if they don't, I just don't know what to do? Can someone help me with this?