Totalbiscuit on IdrA's casting - Page 23

On May 13 2011 19:22 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
if he wants to give idra good constructive critique, why make it public. this just seems like a poor attempt by someone to get some kind of attention.

this is just silly.

On May 13 2011 19:21 AndAgain wrote:


Idra is not bad as a caster. Many people like myself just want someone who is very knowledgeable to give analytic commentary in a calm, collected manner. That's exactly what he does. The whole thing about him needing voice lessens or whatever is a matter of subjective preference. TB seems to think that everyone should strive to sound like himself.

On May 13 2011 19:17 Rayven wrote:
Totalbiscuit calling someone else a bad caster. Oh the irony.

On May 13 2011 19:24 Coolwhip wrote:
You gotto give TB credit for getting attention.

Yesterday he probably went like: 'MMMmm.... what can I do to get attention and hopefully more subcribers today? .. I got it! Let's write something about casting. Wait, that wont grab that much attention. Aha! I'll add in Idra and how he is bad at casting' Instant thousands of fanboys being all over it.

On May 13 2011 19:21 cnas wrote:

Seriously? Wtf are you talking about? Maybe you should read his post first. Also what you think of TB is kind of off topic

On May 13 2011 19:24 Ruscour wrote:


Most people are not like you. The majority of people would rather hear excitement than their math lecturer (though I like my math lecturer). Preference in this thread is offtopic, but in any case, IdrA is indeed bad as a caster, he is good as an analyst, which is what TB said. It's just a shame that 80% of people are not reading the OP.

On May 13 2011 19:22 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
if he wants to give idra good constructive critique, why make it public. this just seems like a poor attempt by someone to get some kind of attention.

this is just silly.

On May 13 2011 19:04 Moskau wrote:
understand that TB is not directly insulting Idra, I read the article and the post.

However I think his philosophy for casting is incorrect. Sports casting is different from SC2 casting because of the pace of the game, as well as the scope. Most sports have strategy but are not hinged so much on it like starcraft. Of course basketball, football, soccer, hockey, ect have strategy but not to the point where it needs to be constantly remarked upon, instead the prowess of the players teamwork and backstory, is commented on as well as some play by play.

The sport that is the closest in my opinion would be baseball. It's relatively slow paced unlike most sports similar to starcraft (not constant action). It''s also based almost entirely on a one on one atmosphere (pitcher vs batter) and the strategy of batter / pitcher is complex and most important to commentate on. Only baseball can one player single handedly win a game for his team (shutout + a homerun). The game is also incredibly cerebral, you don't need to be an incredible athlete to compete, intelligence and understanding of the game is just as important, unlike sports like football / basketball (for the most part).

Now I am a huge baseball fan, and I notice that baseball casters are quite different from others generally. Play by play exists but they don't flood the airwaves with it, they stay reserved and calm. Obviously if something important happens they aknowledge it but they don't do much hype, They don't need to, as long as people understand the situation, it's hyped. At the same time, they have a conversation about the game, the strategy, what the players should do, or are thinking / should be thinking. To do this you need two players with knowledge of the game for it to work. This seems to hold up with starcraft 2, hence the most popular casters are tasteless and artosis, who follow this model fairly closely. They do the minimal play by play, while commenting on strategy, as well as do backstory / give information (what they should do), as well as entertain.

The reason why the TB method in my opinion is very uninteresting is because he is unable to hold up a conversation with the other commentator about the game. Just commentating is not interesting. It shouldn't be pass it back and forth every 2 minutes or just one guy constantly yapping on what's happening and nothing else, it should be a dialogue about the game, with the important details done in play by play. The only way I could see TB being interesting would be a 3 caster model, with 2 other analytical casters to discuss the game while he does play by play. Even then though, he would have to talk considerably less, to allow a dialogue.

It reminds me of when I watch broodwar, I always see people comment how much they love the korean casters, eventhough they can't understand them, which I find puzzling. Commentators are there to help people understand, and give insight and entertain. This isn't radio, we don't need to hear everything that's happening, we're not morons. I respect what TB is trying to do but to be honest, you're doing it wrong. I think the evidence that backs me up is the knowledgable fans absolutely hate your style, which is never a good sign. Lastly, as a sports fanatic, I find it ironic that the guy who strives to be most like a sports caster, I find the most intolerable. Unless we count klazart as a caster of course.

P.S. Sorry im on a laptop hard to type, may be some mistakes.
Also I admit I haven't listened to TB commentary in months, I mute his casts, I find them completely unwatchable. So he might have changed his style recently, my opinions are based on older casts, I assume however he has not changed.
P.S.S American league is not real baseball.

On May 13 2011 19:24 Coolwhip wrote:
You gotto give TB credit for getting attention.

Yesterday he probably went like: 'MMMmm.... what can I do to get attention and hopefully more subcribers today? .. I got it! Let's write something about casting. Wait, that wont grab that much attention. Aha! I'll add in Idra and how he is bad at casting' Instant thousands of fanboys being all over it.

On May 13 2011 19:28 Koshi wrote:

Yeah, the problem is that somebody called IdrA his casting refreshing and more pleasant than the casting done by TB.

TB can't handle that so he goes into an offensive mode where he achieves to win some people their hearth by using the terminology of casting to criticize IdrA his sort of casting.

Then TL.net doesn't understand that TB is criticizing IdrA type of casting to make his own casting seem more "legit". But they make this completely about the persons IdrA and TB.

But the bottom line is: TB didn't like that an article said that his sort of casting was possible inferior to the casting style of IdrA.

On May 13 2011 19:30 Swineflew wrote:


See, here is the argument, a lot of people don't think IdrA is a bad caster and his style fits with the strategic theme of the game. I'm not going to be as presumptuous as to speak on behalf of "most people" the way you did, but I feel like there is a good number of people that enjoy that style of casting. Hence the disagreement.

On May 13 2011 19:31 Ruscour wrote:

One does not write a goddamn book about an article just for drama and attention. One would just throw out a line or two of smack and drama would flow harder, because idiots wouldn't have to bother thinking about it.

On May 13 2011 19:35 Swineflew wrote:


You mean a line or two at the start of his article like this?
"he is too quiet, he is frequently monotone, he stumbles in his speech, he has no flow to speak of, he lacks the ability to express passion and emotion."

On May 13 2011 19:35 Swineflew wrote:


You mean a line or two at the start of his article like this?
"he is too quiet, he is frequently monotone, he stumbles in his speech, he has no flow to speak of, he lacks the ability to express passion and emotion."

Yeah, the problem is that somebody called IdrA his casting refreshing and more pleasant than the casting done by TB.

TB can't handle that so he goes into an offensive mode where he achieves to win some people their hearth by using the terminology of casting to criticize IdrA his sort of casting.