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Carson
Canada820 Posts
 I'm glad MC responded. He is recovering from his days as suicide toss haha, and being cocky is only a facade to maintain his composure in big tournaments. Plus, he is REALLY good. White-ra would be the first one to say that he got outplayed. And he still won decent money! Don't worry fans, he'll be back, he's too old to quit now | ||
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dakalro
Romania525 Posts
On April 16 2011 00:23 Toadvine wrote: Don't really care about the drama, but it's hilarious how the people claiming WhiteRa "outplayed" MC in the first two games, and then lost to "cheese", are primarily Terran and Zerg players (or at least posters with Terran and Zerg icons). As a Protoss player, hearing someone complain about 1 base all-ins in PvP being "cheesy" is just so weird, because everything MC did in games 3 and 4 was as standard as you can possibly get, in the context of the matchup. In actuality, it was WhiteRa's expansions that were extremely risky and unsafe. Seriously, being mad at players for 4gating in PvP is so stupid. Be mad at Blizzard for putting retarded crap like Warpgates in the game and for removing most of the defensive advantages that were present in BW. This is even worse than the marine/scv all-in hate back from GSL S3, because Terrans at least had different, viable options in TvZ back then; while a Protoss is practically required to build 4 Gateways in every PvP, or risk losing automatically. I'm terran, I loved the finals. I never cheesed in my entire SC2 career (I'm too shit at everything else in the game to care about rushes) and I never got pissed at my opponent when I got cheesed, only at myself for failing to scout/know the maps. | ||
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Longshank
1648 Posts
The kid needs to grow thinker skin. Fast. | ||
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bovineblitz
United States314 Posts
That is NOT cheese, IMO. Cheese is a 6pool or cannon rush on ladder against randoms. | ||
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Cold-Blood
United States200 Posts
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dakalro
Romania525 Posts
On April 16 2011 00:50 Longshank wrote: So 30 people tops out of 50 000 viewers BMed him and he feels the need to tweet about it. More were disappointed by an anticlimactic final game but that's not BM. The kid needs to grow thinker skin. Fast. Should read the LR thread for DH. It wasn't just 30 posts. It was a shitstorm. And he cares. And I agree, he should grow thicker skin but at least he didn't apologize, he just explained he didn't risk anything. | ||
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CryMoar
United States4 Posts
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On April 16 2011 00:50 Longshank wrote: So 30 people tops out of 50 000 viewers BMed him and he feels the need to tweet about it. More were disappointed by an anticlimactic final game but that's not BM. The kid needs to grow thinker skin. Fast. What's a thinker skin? Anyways - MC tweeting about it shows that he cares about his image to his foreign fans. Which means that he cares about his foreign fans. He cares. *cue dreamhack subtitle* Which is a hell lot more than most korean progamers before this year. I think it's a GOOD thing that he tweeted that. | ||
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QTIP.
United States2113 Posts
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tehemperorer
United States2183 Posts
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Sethronu
United Kingdom450 Posts
Has anyone actually seen him being 'bad mannered' in the real sense of these words, though? The worst he does is his signature neckslice / thumbsdown gestures after & before games, but then again he's been doing it since his BW days when he was pretty much a nobody, and as far as I can tell, it's all in good fun. I've never heard of MC flat out insulting people or anything of the sorts, in his interviews again he's arrogant, but once more that's more of an image and possibly his poor command of English than an actual superiority complex or whatever, and he is actually very humble and respectful of his fellow players and people who make e-sports possible, so where is this really coming from? | ||
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Alver
United States177 Posts
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Serdiuk
Belgium145 Posts
What I feel IS a major issue is that Pro Gamers keep showing up at tournaments not knowing the possible spawning positions on maps. This should be made much clearer and could affect decision making by players. | ||
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Heavenly
2172 Posts
On April 16 2011 00:50 Longshank wrote: So 30 people tops out of 50 000 viewers BMed him and he feels the need to tweet about it. More were disappointed by an anticlimactic final game but that's not BM. The kid needs to grow thinker skin. Fast. Tons of people BM'd him and called him a loser, said they had lost all respect for him, called him a pathetic cheeser, etc. I don't know if you've been under a rock lately but not everyone said "aw that's disappointing there wasn't a 6 base final game, still congrats MC". Sorry that MC pays attention to the foreigner scene and teamliquid. If he doesn't address criticism he doesn't care about the community, if he does, "needs to grow thicker skin." Cool. | ||
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Flare23
United States27 Posts
"A common call of the scrub is to cry that the kind of play in which one tries to win at all costs is “boring” or “not fun.” Who knows what objective the scrub has, but we know his objective is not truly to win. Yours is. Your objective is good and right and true, and let no one tell you otherwise. You have the power to dispatch those who would tell you otherwise, anyway. Simply beat them. Let’s consider two groups of players: a group of good players and a group of scrubs. The scrubs will play “for fun” and not explore the extremities of the game. They won’t find the most effective tactics and abuse them mercilessly. The good players will. The good players will find incredibly overpowering tactics and patterns. As they play the game more, they’ll be forced to find counters to those tactics. The vast majority of tactics that at first appear unbeatable end up having counters, though they are often quite subtle and difficult to discover. Knowing the counter tactic prevents the other player from using his tactic, but he can then use a counter to your counter. You are now afraid to use your counter and the opponent can go back to sneaking in the original overpowering tactic. This concept will be covered in much more detail later. The good players are reaching higher and higher levels of play. They found the “cheap stuff” and abused it. They know how to stop the cheap stuff. They know how to stop the other guy from stopping it so they can keep doing it. And as is quite common in competitive games, many new tactics will later be discovered that make the original cheap tactic look wholesome and fair. Often in fighting games, one character will have something so good it’s unfair. Fine, let him have that. As time goes on, it will be discovered that other characters have even more powerful and unfair tactics. Each player will attempt to steer the game in the direction of his own advantages, much how grandmaster chess players attempt to steer opponents into situations in which their opponents are weak. Let’s return to the group of scrubs. They don’t know the first thing about all the depth I’ve been talking about. Their argument is basically that ignorantly mashing buttons with little regard to actual strategy is more “fun.” Superficially, their argument does at least look valid, since often their games will be more “wet and wild” than games between the experts, which are usually more controlled and refined. But any close examination will reveal that the experts are having a great deal of this “fun” on a higher level than the scrub can even imagine. Throwing together some circus act of a win isn’t nearly as satisfying as reading your opponent’s mind to such a degree that you can counter his every move, even his every counter." http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/intermediates-guide.html | ||
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Schwopzi
Netherlands954 Posts
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
On April 15 2011 23:36 Daray wrote: Here you go. Read and stop with the nonsense. http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-1.html LOL I hate that article. Read it years ago. Marred by a sense of elitism and contradictions. First half: "Lol don't make arbitrary rules scrub" Second part: "Don't use Akuma, or certain exploits... we can make these rules because we are pro and therefore JUSTIFIED" What? He admits to grey area stuff like this though. Haha | ||
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SpiritAshura
United States1271 Posts
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Albrithe
Canada187 Posts
 I didn't see the game, but I doubt many people would have acted differently if they had the same understanding of the game as MC. | ||
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Ponyo
United States1231 Posts
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