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Contagious
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
United States1319 Posts
April 15 2011 21:11 GMT
#481
the object is to win a fucking game. Why is everyone bitching? lol
Comeh
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States18919 Posts
April 15 2011 21:19 GMT
#482
On April 16 2011 06:11 Contagious wrote:
the object is to win a fucking game. Why is everyone bitching? lol

It's as if people don't expect someone to cheese in a pvp. Hopefully an admin combs through here and bans people, because people need to learn that cheese is part of the game - even at the highest level.

(Boxer bunker rushed 3 times to win an osl over yellow, yet we look back at that and think its brilliant. What MC did was pretty damn smart/ballsy. So props to him .)
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HandleTaken
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden81 Posts
April 15 2011 21:36 GMT
#483
Those of you who don't like cheese can give feedback to Blizzard. MC didn't do the source code for SC2.

Don't blame MC for using what he thought was optimum strategy within the rules of the game against White-Ra. Should MC play suboptimal in a game for $15K when he does this for a living?

I was cheering for White-Ra but I have alot of respect for a great player like MC.
Kracklings
Profile Joined March 2011
United States116 Posts
April 15 2011 21:58 GMT
#484
mc hwaiitiitngnggggg

if you complain about cheese you obviously misunderstand the concept of winning by any means necessary
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Escapist
Profile Joined July 2010
Portugal548 Posts
April 15 2011 22:12 GMT
#485
I was cheering for WhiteRa aswell but the fact he lost doesnt make me bitter towards MC at all.

Hes a solid protoss and a very intense player...with 15.000 on the line he just went for the kill and im sure that plenty of the "offended virgins" insisting on this subject would do the same thing if they had to make a clutch decision. Its his job on the line and the more he profits from it the more personal benefits he will reap.

Congrats MC, can only hope for a BO15 between you and WhiteRa soon
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Striding Strider
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom787 Posts
April 15 2011 22:14 GMT
#486
There was nothing wrong with what he did. People will just BM for the hell of it.
I have a beard. I'm unprofessional.
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25658 Posts
April 15 2011 22:31 GMT
#487
Mc won fair and square, not much to argue about i think
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
mmdmmd
Profile Joined June 2007
722 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 22:42:16
April 15 2011 22:40 GMT
#488
Cheesing in SC2 is a very sensitive subject because it's so powerful. Some people keep saying "because the game is not figured out yet". But IMHO, it will be here forever unless Blizz removes the underlining mechanics that caused this in the first place. No amount of units tweaking will fix the power of cheese in sc2.

MC did the right thing, it's part of the game. To accept SC2 both as a spectator and a player, you must accept cheese.
RedZack
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany58 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 22:49:27
April 15 2011 22:48 GMT
#489
MC won the games. There's nothing wrong about how he did it.

And we (the foreigners, non-koreans, w/e), should be amazed by the fact that a korean pro cares enough about "our" scene that he tweets about it :D

Edit: I heard White-Ra cares too, but that's another topic ;-)
Vod.kaholic
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1052 Posts
April 15 2011 22:51 GMT
#490
On April 16 2011 02:14 Ownos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 23:36 Daray wrote:
Here you go. Read and stop with the nonsense.

http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-1.html



LOL I hate that article. Read it years ago. Marred by a sense of elitism and contradictions.

First half: "Lol don't make arbitrary rules scrub"

Second part: "Don't use Akuma, or certain exploits... we can make these rules because we are pro and therefore JUSTIFIED"

What?

He admits to grey area stuff like this though. Haha


The first and second parts are not contradictory at all if you actually pay attention to what he's saying. There's a difference between arbitrary rules made to protect "fun" and rules designed to prevent the cheapening of the game with unbeatable strats (the key word being unbeatable, not "op"). The second part is meant to lay out that certain aspects of a game can be legitimately broken, and if they can't be patched, they should be avoided by the players or risk every game being defined by a single, dominating strategy.

If one aspect makes the overall game incredibly shallow by besting every other strat, that's the point where you patch it out/ban it.

For example, it would be completely broken if sentries started with mana for psi storm (like in the blizzard april fool's patch notes) and it would make 2/3rds of the game really shallow and would therefore have to be banned/patched out. Also, 150 mineral spawning pools for delicious 6pool action every game.
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Black.
Profile Joined August 2010
Brazil72 Posts
April 15 2011 22:51 GMT
#491
Is it even possible to tweet that many characters? o.0
Lo and behold: the swarm is coming
Weasel-
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada1556 Posts
April 15 2011 22:54 GMT
#492
The fact that MC even acknowledged it means they won. Best solution to trolls is not to call them out or try to reason with them logically, just ignore them and they'll realize how futile it is.
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
April 15 2011 22:56 GMT
#493
On April 16 2011 07:40 mmdmmd wrote:
Cheesing in SC2 is a very sensitive subject because it's so powerful. Some people keep saying "because the game is not figured out yet". But IMHO, it will be here forever unless Blizz removes the underlining mechanics that caused this in the first place. No amount of units tweaking will fix the power of cheese in sc2.

MC did the right thing, it's part of the game. To accept SC2 both as a spectator and a player, you must accept cheese.


Uh.. Cheesing wasn't all that weak in sc:bw either you know.
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KimJongChill
Profile Joined January 2011
United States6429 Posts
April 15 2011 22:56 GMT
#494
imo haters are just hating because it was a close series. If white-ra didn't get that lucky probe in MC's base game 1, then it woulda been 3-1 probably, and people would be satisfied...
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Vod.kaholic
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1052 Posts
April 15 2011 22:58 GMT
#495
Haters gonna hate. Props to MC for standing up for himself and showing awareness of the foreign fans.
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Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 23:06:57
April 15 2011 23:05 GMT
#496
On April 16 2011 06:11 Contagious wrote:
the object is to win a fucking game. Why is everyone bitching? lol


People are angry cause they've lost to this build on the ladder at least once and feel disheartened that it surfaced in a professional level tournament. People expect a lot not only from people that run tournaments but also the players to keep the community entertained. At least nobody in this thread lost $15,000 losing to this build but they sure act like it.
There's no S in KT. :P
Zurles
Profile Joined February 2009
United Kingdom1659 Posts
April 15 2011 23:38 GMT
#497
I'm not angry because I expect fools to whine, but if any of them read this understand that if there was no threat of cheese people could open with exploitable builds every single game, you wouldn't tell a poker player 4bet bluffing was dirty, or maybe you would who knows.
xiaoW
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands284 Posts
April 16 2011 01:54 GMT
#498
The objective for a professional player is to win the match (herp derp). If this means you have to do an early all-in (people call it cheese) or a macro-game, you just do it. At this high of a level, it is all about thinking outside the box and playing mindgames with your opponent, assuming the level of skill is even.

Look at Boxer in 2004 in the Ever OSL Semi-Finals for example, he bunker rushed Yellow 3 times because he KNEW Yellow was going to fast expand and won the game no problem. Tons of people disliked his way of winning back then, just like some people do right now.

Almost every top player will do some early pushes/all-ins every now and then to throw people off or to take advantage of a certain situation.Too bad some people don’t realize this and continue BM'ing and hating instead of enjoying and understanding the brilliance of one’s tactical play.

To all those ignorant people: ‘Don’t hate but appreciate.’
chaopow
Profile Joined March 2011
United States556 Posts
April 16 2011 01:59 GMT
#499
Speaking of MC....Apparently hes playing on the North American Server now!!! I just played him on ladder....got roflstomped. Hes currently 18-0 in masters. Hes probably prepping for NASL, and I doubt this is a fake account.
Soowoo AD.
AbeToss
Profile Joined September 2010
United States60 Posts
April 16 2011 04:06 GMT
#500
On April 16 2011 10:59 chaopow wrote:
Speaking of MC....Apparently hes playing on the North American Server now!!! I just played him on ladder....got roflstomped. Hes currently 18-0 in masters. Hes probably prepping for NASL, and I doubt this is a fake account.


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