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Galleon.frigate
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada721 Posts
April 15 2011 14:31 GMT
#401
Look, I'm sorry everyone has an opinion obviously,

but we'll going to look back at this, and remember proxy gates in a $15k game as the pimpest play of 2011... trust me


Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
April 15 2011 14:32 GMT
#402
Ha.

On one side, it's embarrassing that people whined so much that MC actually had to explain himself.

But on the other side I have to admit it's awesome to have the best Korean progamer talk to us via Twitter. Next step: get them to register TL accounts. =P
ballasdontcry
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada595 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 14:32:31
April 15 2011 14:32 GMT
#403
On April 15 2011 21:38 mahO wrote:
I'm really not a "White Ra" fan, well i'm not anyone fan I guess except IdrA, this guy will always make me laugh in this polite scene, but MC got outplayed badly, and went for the cheese, of course it is valid, of course nobody can blame him for playing the win when 15k is on the line, but man this guy is cocky, he's not the best player at all, even if his fan club (=90% of the protoss) say so, he's a lot weaker than we might think. So yeah it's normal what he did, but man he's really annoying me with the "i'm sc2 god" attitude. This guy will fall, badly, and man i will laugh

oh, the irony of you cheering for idra...

i'm guessing you were hiding under a rock for mlg dallas when idra claims huk can't beat him in a real game. come on, the guy does nothing but complain about imba which is miles worse.
dakalro
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania525 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 14:37:00
April 15 2011 14:34 GMT
#404
On April 15 2011 23:26 Trentelshark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 23:23 Celadan wrote:
First of all, that was a high risk build, I don't care if MC saw the opportunity or not but if Whitera had scouted that he would have won, aka MC relied on luck that last game. Wathever you or MC says that was not safe, its a cheese; that's why its not safe, an allin that will make you loose if your opponent scouts it and react properly

And besides I want SC2 to become better to watch since thats my 1# goal as a viewer.
I just don't want SC2 to become "ROFLNOSKILLRUSHGEAM-craft" which is the metagame many of the mathcups are slowly moving towards.

I agree whole heartedly with this, but at the same time you simply can't expect someone in a tournament with money on the line to consciously call off doing build X because it's "cheese" and go with Y for the sake of entertaining the viewership .


4 pool, bunker rushes, SC1, 13 years and still going strong ...

Every build is high risk. The risk just comes in at a different time and takes longer to show but in the end it's always ~50-50.

How is it no skill studying your opponent using your brain? He certainly knew WhiteRa better than WhiteRa knew him. I am assuming WhiteRa had such a risky BO because he "knew" MC doesn't 2gate. That went well.
Celadan
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway471 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 14:41:46
April 15 2011 14:35 GMT
#405
On April 15 2011 23:16 DrOmni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 23:06 Celadan wrote:
When i watched that game i was dissappointed not because whitera lost but MC's deciscion to cheese in the deciding game, final game.

I wouldn't mind it all that much if the proxy occured in any of the other games.

Proxy rushes is nothing spectacular or as some people apparently claims "skilled".
Therefore MC could have done a better job and finished the series in a proper fashion instead of giving us a 5 min game build order win as the final game in the tourney.


His job isn't really to entertain you. He knew that the proxy had a very high probability because of the first 4 games and that map was better suited for it. And wtf, PvP are usually build order wins anyway so that makes no sense at all. The last match shouldn't make or break your viewing experience, the entire set was very good and a back and forth battle, it was actually one of the better finals we have seen in quite a while.
--

I am really tired of people complaining that matches aren't good unless they last thirty minutes and their favorite player wins. I personally thought the game was very good as it showed how MC can find a weakness in an opponent and exploit it, he doesn't just sit there and try to play a single style and he isn't afraid to take a massive risk. We need more of that in E-Sports. (I mean people taking calculated risks and not just all-ining every game)


I see your point and im certainly NOT trying to imply that each game should last 30 min.

But i don't think personally that the finals was good at all.
Had one or two good games but the series overall was not so entertaining for me(my opinion ofcourse)

And BTW his job is to entertain people (maybe not me in particular but still it is to entertain people)
That is whats making E-Sports profitable and he works in E-Sports last time i checked atleast.

I just think that he could atleast done that in the game before and left the final game with atleast some suspense in it.
And yes, the last game in a tournament is whats the most clear in my memory and is the biggest factor if i liked the series or not.(unless a game is radically epic or something)
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Daray
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
6006 Posts
April 15 2011 14:36 GMT
#406
Here you go. Read and stop with the nonsense.

http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-1.html

Sky Net
Profile Joined February 2011
United States134 Posts
April 15 2011 14:36 GMT
#407
Cruncher has probably got 10x more hate than MC, mainly because MC is such an accomplished player. There are just a lot of idiotic SC2 fans who are very vocal/whiney.
"Never surrender" -Billy Mitchell
frankepooz
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden19 Posts
April 15 2011 14:41 GMT
#408
Is that little bitch blaming SWEDEN for BMing him about the cheese win? that's some ol' bullshit nyuka. The whole crowd cheered for you, you ungrateful fuck.

User was temp banned for this post.
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dakalro
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania525 Posts
April 15 2011 14:42 GMT
#409
On April 15 2011 23:36 Daray wrote:
Here you go. Read and stop with the nonsense.

http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-1.html



WWE vs UFC. I'm happy for those that whine about the players playing the best they can that they can be satisfied with just WWE. I guess flashy is flashy for a reason, like flies to a light bulb.
dakalro
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania525 Posts
April 15 2011 14:44 GMT
#410
On April 15 2011 23:41 frankepooz wrote:
Is that little bitch blaming SWEDEN for BMing him about the cheese win? that's some ol' bullshit nyuka. The whole crowd cheered for you, you ungrateful fuck.


Did you actually read his message or did you just read every other word? ./facepalm
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
April 15 2011 14:44 GMT
#411
On April 15 2011 23:35 Celadan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 23:16 DrOmni wrote:
On April 15 2011 23:06 Celadan wrote:
When i watched that game i was dissappointed not because whitera lost but MC's deciscion to cheese in the deciding game, final game.

I wouldn't mind it all that much if the proxy occured in any of the other games.

Proxy rushes is nothing spectacular or as some people apparently claims "skilled".
Therefore MC could have done a better job and finished the series in a proper fashion instead of giving us a 5 min game build order win as the final game in the tourney.


His job isn't really to entertain you. He knew that the proxy had a very high probability because of the first 4 games and that map was better suited for it. And wtf, PvP are usually build order wins anyway so that makes no sense at all. The last match shouldn't make or break your viewing experience, the entire set was very good and a back and forth battle, it was actually one of the better finals we have seen in quite a while.
--

I am really tired of people complaining that matches aren't good unless they last thirty minutes and their favorite player wins. I personally thought the game was very good as it showed how MC can find a weakness in an opponent and exploit it, he doesn't just sit there and try to play a single style and he isn't afraid to take a massive risk. We need more of that in E-Sports. (I mean people taking calculated risks and not just all-ining every game)


I see your point and im certainly NOT trying to imply that each game should last 30 min.

But i don't think personally that the finals was good at all.
Had one or two good games but the series overall was not so entertaining for me(my opinion ofcourse)

And BTW his job is to entertain people (maybe not me in particular but still it is to entertain people)
That is whats making E-Sports profitable and he works in E-Sports last time i checked atleast.

I just think that he could atleast done that in the game before and left the final game with atleast some suspense in it.
And yes, the last game in a tournament is whats the most clear in my memory and is the biggest factor if i liked the series or not.(unless a game is radically epic or something)


I was at Dreamhack and there was huge suspense in the final match. It was quick and not a huge macro match but people were really into it. Just cause you don't like a few rushes here and there doesn't mean that everyone does.

SC2 survived the 2 rax bunker rushes of GSL S2 so i think we can survive MC doing ONE 2-gate.
SeakayKu
Profile Joined October 2010
United States128 Posts
April 15 2011 14:45 GMT
#412
i hope white-ra could instantly a better player after this series..
you think he will change up his build order or do thing differently in the future?

and by the way, if a toss needs to depend on that small mineral gain, being greedy and hope to win a pvp with that econ edge, then we all might as well just say no rush until 5:30 when pvp

and comes in mind...
can we all stop using "cheese"
i think the correct term is "rush"
It's an Art and I hope I can see beautifully fought matches.
dakalro
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania525 Posts
April 15 2011 14:46 GMT
#413
On April 15 2011 23:35 Celadan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 23:16 DrOmni wrote:
On April 15 2011 23:06 Celadan wrote:
When i watched that game i was dissappointed not because whitera lost but MC's deciscion to cheese in the deciding game, final game.

I wouldn't mind it all that much if the proxy occured in any of the other games.

Proxy rushes is nothing spectacular or as some people apparently claims "skilled".
Therefore MC could have done a better job and finished the series in a proper fashion instead of giving us a 5 min game build order win as the final game in the tourney.


His job isn't really to entertain you. He knew that the proxy had a very high probability because of the first 4 games and that map was better suited for it. And wtf, PvP are usually build order wins anyway so that makes no sense at all. The last match shouldn't make or break your viewing experience, the entire set was very good and a back and forth battle, it was actually one of the better finals we have seen in quite a while.
--

I am really tired of people complaining that matches aren't good unless they last thirty minutes and their favorite player wins. I personally thought the game was very good as it showed how MC can find a weakness in an opponent and exploit it, he doesn't just sit there and try to play a single style and he isn't afraid to take a massive risk. We need more of that in E-Sports. (I mean people taking calculated risks and not just all-ining every game)


I see your point and im certainly NOT trying to imply that each game should last 30 min.

But i don't think personally that the finals was good at all.
Had one or two good games but the series overall was not so entertaining for me(my opinion ofcourse)

And BTW his job is to entertain people (maybe not me in particular but still it is to entertain people)
That is whats making E-Sports profitable and he works in E-Sports last time i checked atleast.

I just think that he could atleast done that in the game before and left the final game with atleast some suspense in it.
And yes, the last game in a tournament is whats the most clear in my memory and is the biggest factor if i liked the series or not.(unless a game is radically epic or something)


Well, as it seems, for most people here the last game was great and most certainly epic and memorable. I guess that's job well done then.
HaRxTears
Profile Joined January 2011
141 Posts
April 15 2011 14:48 GMT
#414
On April 15 2011 21:38 mahO wrote:
I'm really not a "White Ra" fan, well i'm not anyone fan I guess except IdrA, this guy will always make me laugh in this polite scene, but MC got outplayed badly, and went for the cheese, of course it is valid, of course nobody can blame him for playing the win when 15k is on the line, but man this guy is cocky, he's not the best player at all, even if his fan club (=90% of the protoss) say so, he's a lot weaker than we might think. So yeah it's normal what he did, but man he's really annoying me with the "i'm sc2 god" attitude. This guy will fall, badly, and man i will laugh


Idra went for a 6/7 pool against MC and Idra got owned. I laughed and i laughed badly! White ra did the same opening everytime and MC Punishd him for it. You my man are a hypocrite.
Zulueta
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany28 Posts
April 15 2011 14:50 GMT
#415
nothing to complain about.
"foreigners" were surely dissapointed but MC just played better!

MC deserved the win even if I would have loved seeing White-Ra taking it home!

Congrats to MC
Achaia
Profile Joined July 2010
United States643 Posts
April 15 2011 14:50 GMT
#416
I think it's funny that some people were giving MC a hard time about the cheese. MC obviously had a reason for doing it which is cool but even if he didn't have any reason to think that cheese would be especially strong, if he thinks it can win him the game and money he should do it. This is their job and they are competing to be the best in every tournament and at the end of the day even though a game that ends in cheese may be less fun to watch for some people if he gets the win with it who cares? He walks away with the paycheck and I'm sure he doesn't care how he got it.
http://www.youtube.com/SCBattleGrounds
Celadan
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway471 Posts
April 15 2011 14:51 GMT
#417
On April 15 2011 23:46 dakalro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 23:35 Celadan wrote:
On April 15 2011 23:16 DrOmni wrote:
On April 15 2011 23:06 Celadan wrote:
When i watched that game i was dissappointed not because whitera lost but MC's deciscion to cheese in the deciding game, final game.

I wouldn't mind it all that much if the proxy occured in any of the other games.

Proxy rushes is nothing spectacular or as some people apparently claims "skilled".
Therefore MC could have done a better job and finished the series in a proper fashion instead of giving us a 5 min game build order win as the final game in the tourney.


His job isn't really to entertain you. He knew that the proxy had a very high probability because of the first 4 games and that map was better suited for it. And wtf, PvP are usually build order wins anyway so that makes no sense at all. The last match shouldn't make or break your viewing experience, the entire set was very good and a back and forth battle, it was actually one of the better finals we have seen in quite a while.
--

I am really tired of people complaining that matches aren't good unless they last thirty minutes and their favorite player wins. I personally thought the game was very good as it showed how MC can find a weakness in an opponent and exploit it, he doesn't just sit there and try to play a single style and he isn't afraid to take a massive risk. We need more of that in E-Sports. (I mean people taking calculated risks and not just all-ining every game)


I see your point and im certainly NOT trying to imply that each game should last 30 min.

But i don't think personally that the finals was good at all.
Had one or two good games but the series overall was not so entertaining for me(my opinion ofcourse)

And BTW his job is to entertain people (maybe not me in particular but still it is to entertain people)
That is whats making E-Sports profitable and he works in E-Sports last time i checked atleast.

I just think that he could atleast done that in the game before and left the final game with atleast some suspense in it.
And yes, the last game in a tournament is whats the most clear in my memory and is the biggest factor if i liked the series or not.(unless a game is radically epic or something)


Well, as it seems, for most people here the last game was great and most certainly epic and memorable. I guess that's job well done then.


Did you notice the word "unless"?
And yes, the last game in a tournament is whats the most clear in my memory and is the biggest factor if i liked the series or not.(unless a game is radically epic or something


I think you missed my point by the way.
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Belegurth
Profile Joined November 2010
165 Posts
April 15 2011 14:53 GMT
#418
On April 15 2011 23:20 TimeSpiral wrote:
It was a perfect play.

Sometimes the shorter games are the really good ones because you see a strategy that is simply better than his opponent's. This is a strategy game, guys.

It's a Real Time Strategy game, not a Real Time Macro game Having excellent macro is obviously a requirement to play at a high level, and to execute longer games (where neither opening strategy can (or is designed) to win), but does not define the game on a competitive level. When it comes down to it, strategy is how you win, macro largely becomes a given, especially on their level.


everyone on TL.net should carve this in their mind imo. when laddering or competing, this is the absolute truth...
On March 02 2011 11:23 awu25 wrote: i don't think it's a marketing thing most koreans wouldn't be able to pronounce flash, jaedong, or mvp, i think that's why their korean names are used
artanis2
Profile Joined April 2010
United States732 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 14:56:19
April 15 2011 14:56 GMT
#419
Who was bming him exactly? Who was he talking to?
TimeSpiral
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1010 Posts
April 15 2011 14:58 GMT
#420
On April 15 2011 23:36 Daray wrote:
Here you go. Read and stop with the nonsense.

http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-1.html



This should be a required read to post on TeamLiquid, seriously. Wow.
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