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On April 15 2011 21:48 HolyArrow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 21:38 mahO wrote:
I'm really not a "White Ra" fan, well i'm not anyone fan I guess except IdrA, this guy will always make me laugh in this polite scene, but MC got outplayed badly, and went for the cheese, of course it is valid, of course nobody can blame him for playing the win when 15k is on the line, but man this guy is cocky, he's not the best player at all, even if his fan club (=90% of the protoss) say so, he's a lot weaker than we might think. So yeah it's normal what he did, but man he's really annoying me with the "i'm sc2 god" attitude. This guy will fall, badly, and man i will laugh Nice job accusing MC of being outplayed and going for cheese when there's a very credible post right above yours that pretty much refutes the idea completely. You couldn't have posted at a more perfect time if you wanted to look ignorant.
Yeah he has been outplayed, and oh god I looked ignorant on TL! Man my life is over. WhiteRa did the huge mistake of not expecting a cheese on g4 & 5, he over probed, didnt scout enough, and played quite bad, it was like he thought this was already won. But yeah, MC didnt impress me at all during this tournament. And yeah very credible post from an ex team mate of his who insults everyone that disagree with him, way to go tard thats how you debate.
And seriously, WhiteRa isnt really solid, there is huge mistakes in his play, I remember seing him supply block himself at the worse moment ever (4 gate at his ramp), mis microed some units at early stages, and yeah MC didnt win him in a convincing way. Therefor, yeah, MC isnt a sc2 god like everyone tends to say, he's a top player worldwide, for sure, but so far from being unbeatable, we'll talk about it in 2 month anyway, dear genius, I'm so sorry for exposing my ignorance to you, you made me laugh tho
Edit: and about IdrA, I like his style, I dont over estimate him like a lot of people do, he just makes me laugh as a cocky player in his interview and reactions, MC is just cocky and there is nothing funny there, but yeah you could compare the two, IdrA is just entertaining
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On April 15 2011 23:41 frankepooz wrote:
Is that little bitch blaming SWEDEN for BMing him about the cheese win? that's some ol' bullshit nyuka. The whole crowd cheered for you, you ungrateful fuck.
User was temp banned for this post.
Do you know how to read?
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On April 15 2011 23:51 Celadan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 23:46 dakalro wrote:On April 15 2011 23:35 Celadan wrote:On April 15 2011 23:16 DrOmni wrote:On April 15 2011 23:06 Celadan wrote:
When i watched that game i was dissappointed not because whitera lost but MC's deciscion to cheese in the deciding game, final game.
I wouldn't mind it all that much if the proxy occured in any of the other games.
Proxy rushes is nothing spectacular or as some people apparently claims "skilled".
Therefore MC could have done a better job and finished the series in a proper fashion instead of giving us a 5 min game build order win as the final game in the tourney. His job isn't really to entertain you. He knew that the proxy had a very high probability because of the first 4 games and that map was better suited for it. And wtf, PvP are usually build order wins anyway so that makes no sense at all. The last match shouldn't make or break your viewing experience, the entire set was very good and a back and forth battle, it was actually one of the better finals we have seen in quite a while. -- I am really tired of people complaining that matches aren't good unless they last thirty minutes and their favorite player wins. I personally thought the game was very good as it showed how MC can find a weakness in an opponent and exploit it, he doesn't just sit there and try to play a single style and he isn't afraid to take a massive risk. We need more of that in E-Sports. (I mean people taking calculated risks and not just all-ining every game) I see your point and im certainly NOT trying to imply that each game should last 30 min. But i don't think personally that the finals was good at all. Had one or two good games but the series overall was not so entertaining for me(my opinion ofcourse) And BTW his job is to entertain people (maybe not me in particular but still it is to entertain people)  That is whats making E-Sports profitable and he works in E-Sports last time i checked atleast. I just think that he could atleast done that in the game before and left the final game with atleast some suspense in it. And yes, the last game in a tournament is whats the most clear in my memory and is the biggest factor if i liked the series or not.(unless a game is radically epic or something) Well, as it seems, for most people here the last game was great and most certainly epic and memorable. I guess that's job well done then. Did you notice the word " unless"? Show nested quote +And yes, the last game in a tournament is whats the most clear in my memory and is the biggest factor if i liked the series or not.(unless a game is radically epic or something I think you missed my point by the way.
I think many of us can read between the lines and know that you and many other people are just disappointed that the foreigner lost.
Almost everytime a shitstorm like this happens, the foreigner used the same build every single time on in BoX series. They just need to vary their build.
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White-ra would probably, after reading all these pages be: What is problem? MC good player. I not good enough.
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On April 15 2011 23:32 ballasdontcry wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 21:38 mahO wrote:
I'm really not a "White Ra" fan, well i'm not anyone fan I guess except IdrA, this guy will always make me laugh in this polite scene, but MC got outplayed badly, and went for the cheese, of course it is valid, of course nobody can blame him for playing the win when 15k is on the line, but man this guy is cocky, he's not the best player at all, even if his fan club (=90% of the protoss) say so, he's a lot weaker than we might think. So yeah it's normal what he did, but man he's really annoying me with the "i'm sc2 god" attitude. This guy will fall, badly, and man i will laugh oh, the irony of you cheering for idra... i'm guessing you were hiding under a rock for mlg dallas when idra claims huk can't beat him in a real game. come on, the guy does nothing but complain about imba which is miles worse.
Yeah, and it is funny, regardless of his play, IdrA creates fun all around, even people who hate him enjoy seing what was this nerd last scandal, and what bullshit will he say next. I mean, seing some of his posts on this forum, this kid has some really bad manner, and said some things that should get him a good old slap ("WE saved France from nazis" I really dont care about the last part, but I always hated when a 20 years old nerd takes credit for something that was 70 years ago), but at least it makes the pro scene a little bit less "calm" and, I dont know how to say it in english but colorless lets say. So i'm a "fan" in that way, he's the only one you can follow and never be bored
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Of course the finals isn't entertaining. It's PvP, what do you expect? I've yet to see a build that is not gateway heavy into robo. I can probably predict how a standard game plays out with a good chance of nailing it.
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On April 16 2011 00:06 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 23:51 Celadan wrote:On April 15 2011 23:46 dakalro wrote:On April 15 2011 23:35 Celadan wrote:On April 15 2011 23:16 DrOmni wrote:On April 15 2011 23:06 Celadan wrote:
When i watched that game i was dissappointed not because whitera lost but MC's deciscion to cheese in the deciding game, final game.
I wouldn't mind it all that much if the proxy occured in any of the other games.
Proxy rushes is nothing spectacular or as some people apparently claims "skilled".
Therefore MC could have done a better job and finished the series in a proper fashion instead of giving us a 5 min game build order win as the final game in the tourney. His job isn't really to entertain you. He knew that the proxy had a very high probability because of the first 4 games and that map was better suited for it. And wtf, PvP are usually build order wins anyway so that makes no sense at all. The last match shouldn't make or break your viewing experience, the entire set was very good and a back and forth battle, it was actually one of the better finals we have seen in quite a while. -- I am really tired of people complaining that matches aren't good unless they last thirty minutes and their favorite player wins. I personally thought the game was very good as it showed how MC can find a weakness in an opponent and exploit it, he doesn't just sit there and try to play a single style and he isn't afraid to take a massive risk. We need more of that in E-Sports. (I mean people taking calculated risks and not just all-ining every game) I see your point and im certainly NOT trying to imply that each game should last 30 min. But i don't think personally that the finals was good at all. Had one or two good games but the series overall was not so entertaining for me(my opinion ofcourse) And BTW his job is to entertain people (maybe not me in particular but still it is to entertain people) That is whats making E-Sports profitable and he works in E-Sports last time i checked atleast. I just think that he could atleast done that in the game before and left the final game with atleast some suspense in it. And yes, the last game in a tournament is whats the most clear in my memory and is the biggest factor if i liked the series or not.(unless a game is radically epic or something) Well, as it seems, for most people here the last game was great and most certainly epic and memorable. I guess that's job well done then. Did you notice the word " unless"? And yes, the last game in a tournament is whats the most clear in my memory and is the biggest factor if i liked the series or not.(unless a game is radically epic or something I think you missed my point by the way. I think many of us can read between the lines and know that you and many other people are just disappointed that the foreigner lost. Almost everytime a shitstorm like this happens, the foreigner used the same build every single time on in BoX series. They just need to vary their build.
Well I can man up and say that i was slightly dissapointed but thats not the reason why i post this.
If you stopped reading between the lines and actualy read what i wrote, you would understand that it is the way MC won thats the problem not that MC won.
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Cool except NOBODY hated on him for winning in that fashion. NOBODY. (Except maybe a few gold players who thought of it when they saw this thread)
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On April 16 2011 00:11 mahO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 23:32 ballasdontcry wrote:On April 15 2011 21:38 mahO wrote:
I'm really not a "White Ra" fan, well i'm not anyone fan I guess except IdrA, this guy will always make me laugh in this polite scene, but MC got outplayed badly, and went for the cheese, of course it is valid, of course nobody can blame him for playing the win when 15k is on the line, but man this guy is cocky, he's not the best player at all, even if his fan club (=90% of the protoss) say so, he's a lot weaker than we might think. So yeah it's normal what he did, but man he's really annoying me with the "i'm sc2 god" attitude. This guy will fall, badly, and man i will laugh oh, the irony of you cheering for idra... i'm guessing you were hiding under a rock for mlg dallas when idra claims huk can't beat him in a real game. come on, the guy does nothing but complain about imba which is miles worse. Yeah, and it is funny, regardless of his play, IdrA creates fun all around, even people who hate him enjoy seing what was this nerd last scandal, and what bullshit will he say next. I mean, seing some of his posts on this forum, this kid has some really bad manner, and said some things that should get him a good old slap ("WE saved France from nazis" I really dont care about the last part, but I always hated when a 20 years old nerd takes credit for something that was 70 years ago), but at least it makes the pro scene a little bit less "calm" and, I dont know how to say it in english but colorless lets say. So i'm a "fan" in that way, he's the only one you can follow and never be bored
worrying thing is more and more players are adopting this "fun" little style. one is more than enough of these whinykids!
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On April 16 2011 00:11 shadymmj wrote:
Of course the finals isn't entertaining. It's PvP, what do you expect? I've yet to see a build that is not gateway heavy into robo. I can probably predict how a standard game plays out with a good chance of nailing it.
TLO's usage of phoenixes in PvP vs WhiteRa if i remember right was really cool to watch and seemed kinda effective, but yeah PvP is boring as fuck
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While i think that the game 5 was pretty shitty, anyone who blames MC for doing what he thinks is best to win is retard
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On April 15 2011 23:06 Celadan wrote:
When i watched that game i was dissappointed not because whitera lost but MC's deciscion to cheese in the deciding game, final game.
I wouldn't mind it all that much if the proxy occured in any of the other games.
Proxy rushes is nothing spectacular or as some people apparently claims "skilled".
Therefore MC could have done a better job and finished the series in a proper fashion instead of giving us a 5 min game build order win as the final game in the tourney.
I think most people with this argument still hasn't come to the point of starcraft 2, where executing a build order is the least of your troubles, and you start seeing the strategy, the positioning, the mind games and the full depth of what is starcraft.
Basically people are saying "I can do proxy gates. MC is a noob". I encourage you. READ the thread and his tweet. He did it because WhiteRa has done the same build in PvP in basically every game they've played eachother (now up to 9), where he skips the for all other builds, mandatory first zealot. This makes him extremely vulnerable until his second stalker is out, where he's in an advantage.
You can't say MC's a noob, can't win a macro game and whatever shit people are saying, just 'cause he went for a build order that isn't difficult to execute, because it's simply not relevant.. at all.
You could just as well say that WhiteRa did a cheesy, risky build every single game, and in the end MC simply blind countered it.
To make it extreme. How would you stop a double expanding protoss who doesn't even make a gateway? You make units and attack early on before he gets his full advantage, because if you wait too long (in this case until the second and third stalker is out) you're in big doo doo, as 3 stalkers beat a stalker and a zealot, and if you have complete map control in PvP, you're free to do whatever you want, as you generally only attack with warped in units from a proxy pylon.
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Don't really care about the drama, but it's hilarious how the people claiming WhiteRa "outplayed" MC in the first two games, and then lost to "cheese", are primarily Terran and Zerg players (or at least posters with Terran and Zerg icons). As a Protoss player, hearing someone complain about 1 base all-ins in PvP being "cheesy" is just so weird, because everything MC did in games 3 and 4 was as standard as you can possibly get, in the context of the matchup. In actuality, it was WhiteRa's expansions that were extremely risky and unsafe.
Seriously, being mad at players for 4gating in PvP is so stupid. Be mad at Blizzard for putting retarded crap like Warpgates in the game and for removing most of the defensive advantages that were present in BW. This is even worse than the marine/scv all-in hate back from GSL S3, because Terrans at least had different, viable options in TvZ back then; while a Protoss is practically required to build 4 Gateways in every PvP, or risk losing automatically.
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man, who really talks shit about pros who cheese?
I back him 100% and anyone who is saying he didn't earn the victory is delusional
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There's absolutely no reason for MC to have to defend himself. This isn't ladder, this is his job. He was hired by OGS to win championships, and he's fulfilling his end of the contract.
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For those bming, just think about this situation: in a world cup match, if your opponent goalkeeper accidentally miss pass the ball to you, will you try to score or simply pass back cause the fans want an entertaining game?
The answer is damn obvious ain it? you always play to win, don't bullcrap here about beautiful execution, Whitera should have realized his build only weakness is a 2 gate proxy, and should have tried to scout it every game.
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On April 16 2011 00:16 kalleralle wrote:
Cool except NOBODY hated on him for winning in that fashion. NOBODY. (Except maybe a few gold players who thought of it when they saw this thread)
...please read the live report thread for Dreamhack (in the areas just after MC won). Also, refer to:
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=211978
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I don't think everyone was necessarily hating him but how he got there. And of course I was mad but he still won it pretty fairly.
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On April 16 2011 00:22 Euronyme wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 23:06 Celadan wrote:
When i watched that game i was dissappointed not because whitera lost but MC's deciscion to cheese in the deciding game, final game.
I wouldn't mind it all that much if the proxy occured in any of the other games.
Proxy rushes is nothing spectacular or as some people apparently claims "skilled".
Therefore MC could have done a better job and finished the series in a proper fashion instead of giving us a 5 min game build order win as the final game in the tourney. I think most people with this argument still hasn't come to the point of starcraft 2, where executing a build order is the least of your troubles, and you start seeing the strategy, the positioning, the mind games and the full depth of what is starcraft. Basically people are saying "I can do proxy gates. MC is a noob". I encourage you. READ the thread and his tweet. He did it because WhiteRa has done the same build in PvP in basically every game they've played eachother (now up to 9), where he skips the for all other builds, mandatory first zealot. This makes him extremely vulnerable until his second stalker is out, where he's in an advantage. You can't say MC's a noob, can't win a macro game and whatever shit people are saying, just 'cause he went for a build order that isn't difficult to execute, because it's simply not relevant.. at all. You could just as well say that WhiteRa did a cheesy, risky build every single game, and in the end MC simply blind countered it. To make it extreme. How would you stop a double expanding protoss who doesn't even make a gateway? You make units and attack early on before he gets his full advantage, because if you wait too long (in this case until the second and third stalker is out) you're in big doo doo, as 3 stalkers beat a stalker and a zealot, and if you have complete map control in PvP, you're free to do whatever you want, as you generally only attack with warped in units from a proxy pylon.
Yes i see your point, please read some of the other posts i wrote so you understand that im not enraged or calling MC a noob(even if its easy to think so based of that single post).
Im just too lazy to post all of my arguments twice
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=8803293
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=8803200
I just dislike MC's descicion to cheese the last game and kind of scar that series.
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How can anyone -- how dares anyone BM someone for winning? I hope it's not someone from TL. 
As much as I love WhiteRa, MC is a great player and he deserved the win, regardless how he did it. The ends justify the means right?
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