*DreamHack Spoilers* I am so mad

On April 13 2011 06:37 Roffles wrote:

No one deserves to win a game. If you don't win, you don't deserve to win. Doesn't matter how you lose, how great you may be, or whatever. If you lose, you lost. Doesn't matter if you're Flash playing Hyuk and Hyuk does some gay 6 pool shit while you 14 CC'd. You didn't deserve to win that game.

On April 13 2011 06:33 Pandain wrote:

I think that's why so many people are upset.
Yes pros play for the money, and that's why many of them will cheese in order to do so. But that's why we feel so mad at them. Because what if they didn't really deserve it?

Yes MC was very smart and through the "meta game" managed to successfully reverse 3-0 White Ra. But what if he had scouted earlier?
Auto lose.

What if White Ra had scouted his base?
Auto lose.

What if White ra had changed his build
Perhaps lose.


The point is that even though its white ra's fault for not scouting, and therefore MC "deserved" the win, he really didn't deserve it by means of that game. I'm not saying he didn't deserve it in total, since I personally believe MC is a better play than white ra.

When a player wins a game, and not just any game, but THE GAME that decides who gets 15000 and who goes home brokes they 2 gate and risk everything on luck, the luck that they are not scouted, it is natural that people will be mad. Especially with all the drama surrounding Whitera's initial 2-0 lead, and the MC-Whitera rivalry beforehand.

So yes I see your point, but also remember that there are people who "deserve" the win, and people who deserve it. And while I feel MC is ahead of White Ra and had white ra been any other race he would have dominated him, you must keep in mind the other side as well.

On April 13 2011 06:27 boesthius wrote:





I'm mad.




I'm fucking really mad.

Who the fuck are you? Who the fuck are you to say what "strategy", what special tactics, what level of mechanics a player should or should not use to win. Let me bold that last part for you. Win. Wait, hold on, let me make it a little bit more noticeable if you still haven't gotten the point.



Ok - let's take a step back, breathe, and chill out for a bit and analyze what happened this series.

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Game 1: Tal'darim Altar. Both open nearly identical builds at first, standard gate/gas/core. However, white-ra skips his initial zealot and gas and goes 4gate. MC gets a zealot out and then goes 3gate robo. White-ra sneaks a probe in to MC's main somehow, builds 4 pylons and then bulldogs his way through ff's and obliterates MC's army.

Game 2: Metalopolis. Once again, they open the same way as before - white-ra skipping zealot, MC getting the zealot before stalker - both transition into 3gate robo at identical timings. However, this is the key difference here, MC builds an immortal after obs while White-Ra goes nexus and then robo bay for cols. MC goes for blink as well, putting him even further behind as he's getting tech while ra is getting an expansion. After a few tussles of trying to snipe each other's obs, MC finally engages, blinks up the base and snipes the robo, but since white-ra had that expansion up for so long he has more than enough units and a colossi to defend and MC gg's.

Game 3: Crevasse. 4gate vs 4gate, however MC cuts probes at 20 to get the gates quicker and white-ra pumps probes continuously. MC wins, clear, cut, simple.

Game 4: Xel'naga Caverns. This was a weird game, tbh. White-ra opened 100% the same we he did every game, 1gate gas core skipping zealot. They both go 3gate but ra goes robo while MC goes very fast blink. MC gets a very nicely timed blink up the ramp, focuses the immortals and focuses white-ra to gg. 2:2

Game 5: MLG Shakuras Plateau. This game. This game is the one that has caused me to go on tilt and ban so many nerds from this website today. White-ra opens standard while MC proxy 2gates inside white-ra's base. There are a few big things I want to point out before we talk about integrity and that all that jazz.

1.) White-Ra opened the exact same way in every game. 1gate, gas, core, skip zealot, chrono stalker/WG tech. He did it 4/4 times, what are the chances that he is going to do it again in the 5th game? Very very likely.
2.) It was MLG Shakuras Plateau. Well originally it was going to be TSL Shakuras Plateau but the map wasn't loading or something so they used the MLG version. This is extremely pivotal because they SHOULD know where each other are going to spawn - directly diagonal from each other. MC knew this, MC knew white-ra's game plan, MC used his knowledge that he had gained from playing White-Ra previously before Dreamhack and during dreamhack to out-strategize his opponent. White-Ra was either unaware that it was MLG shakuras or he forgot as he scouted both opposite mains, although he has played in both GSL and TSL so he should have known it was fixed positions even more-so than before.

Both of these, plus white-ra not even scouting inside his base or his natural for any type of proxies in the first place, caused white-ra the game and MC to grab the win in both the mindgames and build order.

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Now let's actually talk about what people were getting so fucking worked up about - and that is MC inbase 2gate proxy against white-ra in the final game. I understand that cheese is "looked down upon" and I personally fucking HATE getting cheesed myself on ladder, however what the FUCK? Have you all forgotten what the point of these tournaments, these games, this entire entity of e-sports is about in the first place as a player? They are there to win. They're not flying across the world, playing in hundreds of tournaments, practicing for 10 hours a day to pander to your every whim of how they should play. If they were doing that, Starcraft 2 as an e-sport would be incredibly boring, lifeless, and would not exist today. Have you forgotten about boxer's bunker rushes vs yellow? Jaedong's 6pool vs Flash? Julyzerg's 5pool game 1 and then 9pool drone drill game 2 vs best in the OSL finals? MC's proxy 2 gates in game 5 were smart. SMART. I had already stated this earlier in this post but what MC did was incredibly smart, ESPECIALLY considering the maps. White-Ra had been doing the same exact build order every single game, so inherently MC knew that Ra was going to 1gatecore skip zealot and then scout. Every single game this series White-Ra did this. Every. Single. Game. Taking this knowledge, compounding it with the knowledge of playing him in the GSL and TSL, and then finally adding in that it's fixed-positions Shakuras Plateau - why SHOULDN'T he 2gate proxy? Incredible read and execution by MC. Let me quote what Nazgul and Hot_Bid in the thread, they sum up perfectly what my rage-induced mind is trying to say:



Starcraft is a e-sport, they play to win. I'm sorry that MC didn't pander to your every desire of him following your every build order whim. Maybe you should go watch WWE, or play more games like Mass Effect.

God I'm so mad.