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PanzerKing
Profile Joined May 2010
United States483 Posts
April 15 2011 01:58 GMT
#221
You're probably right, and it is Blizzard's fault if MC's style is simply the most effective. That said, I don't particularly care about fault - I just don't want to watch him play because it's boring. It's more of a factual statement than blaming him for being a "cheesy faggot", or whatever people are accusing MC of being.
http://tkrmx.blogspot.com/
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 02:28:31
April 15 2011 02:27 GMT
#222
MC was clearly the better player that day, both strategically and mentally. He didn't take a EZ way out, he didn't take any risks in game 5, white-ra was the one who gave the series away by doing the same shit 5 games in a row and have the audacity to expect someone of MC's intelligent to not hard counter him. MC read white-ra like a book. People who argue with "but if white-ra did this and that, MC would have auto lost" are the one who aren't smart enough to even read the situation and the mind set of both players before they head into game 5. MC had this proxy install for white-ra after 2 games, he didn't use it till game 5 was because he didn't have to in order to win. He proved that in game 3 and 4. He used it in game 5 because in game 3 and 4 confirmed to him that white-ra is ganna skip that zealot every single game. By the time game 5 comes around, white-ra was a sitting duck, meat on the chopping board, and that's exactly what happened.
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
Trakz
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada178 Posts
April 15 2011 02:34 GMT
#223
I support MC. It was unlucky that White-Ra didnt scout it but stuff like that happens. At times you have to do what it takes to win. If I was in MC's position, I would have cheesed too just because its a lot of money to win.
None shall take if undeserved
rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
April 15 2011 02:38 GMT
#224
No trakz, there was no luck involve, even if white-ra send probe straight to MC's main it would still had been too late to do anything about it. MC didn't gamble, gamble suggest luck was a factor in winning, white-ra had no chance to win that game 5 given both player's mind set at the time. The only way white-ra was ganna make that game5 into a long game was for MC to not be strong enough make that call. Mind games people, the game was won before it started.
GET OUT OF MY BASE CHILL
Turgid
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1623 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 02:52:08
April 15 2011 02:51 GMT
#225
Edit: Sorry I missed part of the discussion, ignore this
(╬ ಠ益ಠ)
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11767 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 14:13:43
April 15 2011 14:11 GMT
#226
On April 15 2011 10:58 PanzerKing wrote:
You're probably right, and it is Blizzard's fault if MC's style is simply the most effective. That said, I don't particularly care about fault - I just don't want to watch him play because it's boring. It's more of a factual statement than blaming him for being a "cheesy faggot", or whatever people are accusing MC of being.


2009-2010: Everyone hates Flash because he plays boring despite revolutionizing basically every TvX matchup and performing incredible feats of Starcraft, all the while setting records and separating himself from the holy triumvirate.

2011: Everyone hates MC because he plays boring despite trying new shit all the time, rarely performing the same build order twice (in a row), creating a "love it or hate it I generate excitement" persona and stomping everyone.

The torch has been passed.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
sikyon
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1045 Posts
April 15 2011 19:33 GMT
#227
I like how everyone criticizes Idra for constantly going for a greedy econ opener but when Whitera does something similar...
Dknight
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States5223 Posts
April 15 2011 20:42 GMT
#228
hey boes. u mad bro?
WGT<3. Former CL/NW head admin.
Hesmyrr
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada5776 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 20:45:56
April 15 2011 20:44 GMT
#229
On April 15 2011 23:11 Southlight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 10:58 PanzerKing wrote:
You're probably right, and it is Blizzard's fault if MC's style is simply the most effective. That said, I don't particularly care about fault - I just don't want to watch him play because it's boring. It's more of a factual statement than blaming him for being a "cheesy faggot", or whatever people are accusing MC of being.


2009-2010: Everyone hates Flash because he plays boring despite revolutionizing basically every TvX matchup and performing incredible feats of Starcraft, all the while setting records and separating himself from the holy triumvirate.

2011: Everyone hates MC because he plays boring despite trying new shit all the time, rarely performing the same build order twice (in a row), creating a "love it or hate it I generate excitement" persona and stomping everyone.

The torch has been passed.

Guess SC2 indeed turned out to be beneficial to BW after all!
...


+ Show Spoiler +
I always wanted to say this after whole MC debacle broke out. Thanks for providing the opportunity.
"If watching the MSL finals makes you a progamer, then anyone in Korea can do it." - Ha Tae Ki
docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
April 23 2012 14:59 GMT
#230
On April 13 2011 06:45 Turgid wrote:
I dunno if this is how anyone else feels, but I think that White-ra is a very greedy player in PVP on average, even ignoring the 13 gate and skipped zealot. All the things that are used to punish greedy strategies inevitably look like risky bullshit or cheese :/

I kinda feel this way too, where everything that punishes greedy play is seen as bullshit somehow. I think the community needs to accept pressure builds the way they are and not make value judgements on them.
User was warned for too many mimes.
KiddoKanin
Profile Joined January 2012
11 Posts
April 23 2012 15:30 GMT
#231
You guys think too much when its really very simple. If you lose, you play wrong.
Angel_
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1617 Posts
April 23 2012 15:36 GMT
#232
On April 23 2012 23:59 docvoc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 06:45 Turgid wrote:
I dunno if this is how anyone else feels, but I think that White-ra is a very greedy player in PVP on average, even ignoring the 13 gate and skipped zealot. All the things that are used to punish greedy strategies inevitably look like risky bullshit or cheese :/

I kinda feel this way too, where everything that punishes greedy play is seen as bullshit somehow. I think the community needs to accept pressure builds the way they are and not make value judgements on them.


I read this thread. Then I got to the end and saw it was a year old. Then I got to you and didn't know if you realized this is a year old thread. Then I reread the OP and thought about it's current relevance still and decided I don't care if it's a year old.

Hm.
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