EPToGs.MC tweets about Dreamhack Finals (Spoiler) - Page 20
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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
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Promises
Netherlands1821 Posts
On April 15 2011 21:46 maartendq wrote: I'm not too big a fan of his attitude either. As a matter of fact it makes me chuckle when I see that chubby kid try to act badass. He's an incredible good player, better than most of us ever will be, but that's not a reason to act like he does. I like him acting bad-ass. During Sc1 I got tired of the ever polite, every shy stuff and grew to like the players who were actually showing some entertainment (altho this is, obviously, very subjective) like FireBatHero, Zeus etc. | ||
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
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Celadan
Norway471 Posts
I wouldn't mind it all that much if the proxy occured in any of the other games. Proxy rushes is nothing spectacular or as some people apparently claims "skilled". Therefore MC could have done a better job and finished the series in a proper fashion instead of giving us a 5 min game build order win as the final game in the tourney. | ||
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Trentelshark
Canada385 Posts
On April 15 2011 23:06 Celadan wrote: When i watched that game i was dissappointed not because whitera lost but MC's deciscion to cheese in the deciding game, final game. I wouldn't mind it all that much if the proxy occured in any of the other games. Proxy rushes is nothing spectacular or as some people apparently claims "skilled". Therefore MC could have done a better job and finished the series in a proper fashion instead of giving us a 5 min game build order win as the final game in the tourney. So basically you're saying MC should NOT have gone with a sure thing and instead gambled for the sake of entertaining the crowd and potentially lose $15,000? That makes absolutely 0 sense if you really think about it from MC's perspective. If you were in MC's shoes and had the decision to proxy and KNOW you're going to win, or, go for say a 4 gate and POTENTIALLY lose, which would you go with? The answer from almost anyone's perspective should be the sure thing and proxy. Their number one goal is to win (ie. make a living), the secondary goal is to entertain, not the other way around. | ||
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SovSov
United States755 Posts
Then I heard about how he did it because White Ra used the same build all games, and I was like "Oh, damn White Ra got owned hard then." I never even imagined people were crying over it and calling it a "cheap win" though. This is StarCraft people. You play to win, get over it. If anything though, this shows that MC cares what foreigners think, which is a good thing. | ||
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br0fivE
Canada349 Posts
MC is a boss, and he can win with macro, micro, cheese. | ||
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DrOmni
United States128 Posts
On April 15 2011 23:06 Celadan wrote: When i watched that game i was dissappointed not because whitera lost but MC's deciscion to cheese in the deciding game, final game. I wouldn't mind it all that much if the proxy occured in any of the other games. Proxy rushes is nothing spectacular or as some people apparently claims "skilled". Therefore MC could have done a better job and finished the series in a proper fashion instead of giving us a 5 min game build order win as the final game in the tourney. His job isn't really to entertain you. He knew that the proxy had a very high probability because of the first 4 games and that map was better suited for it. And wtf, PvP are usually build order wins anyway so that makes no sense at all. The last match shouldn't make or break your viewing experience, the entire set was very good and a back and forth battle, it was actually one of the better finals we have seen in quite a while. -- I am really tired of people complaining that matches aren't good unless they last thirty minutes and their favorite player wins. I personally thought the game was very good as it showed how MC can find a weakness in an opponent and exploit it, he doesn't just sit there and try to play a single style and he isn't afraid to take a massive risk. We need more of that in E-Sports. (I mean people taking calculated risks and not just all-ining every game) | ||
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NotSupporting
Sweden1998 Posts
On April 15 2011 23:06 Celadan wrote: When i watched that game i was dissappointed not because whitera lost but MC's deciscion to cheese in the deciding game, final game. I wouldn't mind it all that much if the proxy occured in any of the other games. Proxy rushes is nothing spectacular or as some people apparently claims "skilled". Therefore MC could have done a better job and finished the series in a proper fashion instead of giving us a 5 min game build order win as the final game in the tourney. To argue that a professional sc2 player should not do what he believes is best for the sake of the crowd is just like telling the worlds best soccer player to intentionally miss the goal to make the game longer and more exiting | ||
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namedplayer
844 Posts
On April 15 2011 23:06 Celadan wrote: When i watched that game i was dissappointed not because whitera lost but MC's deciscion to cheese in the deciding game, final game. I wouldn't mind it all that much if the proxy occured in any of the other games. Proxy rushes is nothing spectacular or as some people apparently claims "skilled". Therefore MC could have done a better job and finished the series in a proper fashion instead of giving us a 5 min game build order win as the final game in the tourney. lol ur talking like 6 pool against 20 hatchery is bad thing. | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
Sorry you guys didn't get the game you feel "entitled" to, but you should enjoy it anyway. Staging a 3-2 comeback is one of the rarest things at the highest level. It wasn't until 2007 that it happened in a BW starleague final. MC gets nothing but praise from me, for his skill and resilience. | ||
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TimeSpiral
United States1010 Posts
Sometimes the shorter games are the really good ones because you see a strategy that is simply better than his opponent's. This is a strategy game, guys. It's a Real Time Strategy game, not a Real Time Macro game  Having excellent macro is obviously a requirement to play at a high level, and to execute longer games (where neither opening strategy can (or is designed) to win), but does not define the game on a competitive level. When it comes down to it, strategy is how you win, macro largely becomes a given, especially on their level. | ||
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dakalro
Romania525 Posts
On April 15 2011 23:06 Celadan wrote: When i watched that game i was dissappointed not because whitera lost but MC's deciscion to cheese in the deciding game, final game. I wouldn't mind it all that much if the proxy occured in any of the other games. Proxy rushes is nothing spectacular or as some people apparently claims "skilled". Therefore MC could have done a better job and finished the series in a proper fashion instead of giving us a 5 min game build order win as the final game in the tourney. Of course the build doesn't require skill to start but it requires a lot of skill if the defender finds it, micro at least. And then it's pretty much the difference between a good and a great player, strategic thinking, which while not part of the clicking is still part of the game. I agree doing this on ladder for points isn't something that shows any skill because your info about your opponent approaches 0 but doing this in a BOX in the 9th game in less than a month against the same guy shows a lot of skill. And if skill in SC2 would be being able to make 200 food worth of units and moving them around the map it would be a pretty boring game, where does the player's brain fit in, there's not much thinking going on while macro-ing, it's more reflex. | ||
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mordek
United States12704 Posts
Probably would get less hate if he didn't boast so much though haha. | ||
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Celadan
Norway471 Posts
On April 15 2011 23:14 Trentelshark wrote: So basically you're saying MC should NOT have gone with a sure thing and instead gambled for the sake of entertaining the crowd and potentially lose $15,000? That makes absolutely 0 sense if you really think about it from MC's perspective. If you were in MC's shoes and had the decision to proxy and KNOW you're going to win, or, go for say a 4 gate and POTENTIALLY lose, which would you go with? The answer from almost anyone's perspective should be the sure thing and proxy. Their number one goal is to win (ie. make a living), the secondary goal is to entertain, not the other way around. First of all, that was a high risk build, I don't care if MC saw the opportunity or not but if Whitera had scouted that he would have won, aka MC relied on luck that last game. Wathever you or MC says that was not safe, its a cheese; that's why its not safe, an allin that will make you loose if your opponent scouts it and react properly And besides I want SC2 to become better to watch since thats my 1# goal as a viewer. I just don't want SC2 to become "ROFLNOSKILLRUSHGEAM-craft" which is the metagame many of the mathcups are slowly moving towards. | ||
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WhiteDog
France8650 Posts
MC as a player, I'm sure, is good at maccroing, but he is not dominant, his dominance comes from his understanding of a game that is (sadly for the viewers) not finished properly. | ||
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namedplayer
844 Posts
On April 15 2011 23:21 dakalro wrote: Of course the build doesn't require skill to start but it requires a lot of skill if the defender finds it, micro at least. And then it's pretty much the difference between a good and a great player, strategic thinking, which while not part of the clicking is still part of the game. I agree doing this on ladder for points isn't something that shows any skill because your info about your opponent approaches 0 but doing this in a BOX in the 9th game in less than a month against the same guy shows a lot of skill. And if skill in SC2 would be being able to make 200 food worth of units and moving them around the map it would be a pretty boring game, where does the player's brain fit in, there's not much thinking going on while macro-ing, it's more reflex. u know what? even if whitera saw mc's proxy, its not autolose for mc. watch the ace vs squirtle ST inhouse match. | ||
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Trentelshark
Canada385 Posts
On April 15 2011 23:23 Celadan wrote: First of all, that was a high risk build, I don't care if MC saw the opportunity or not but if Whitera had scouted that he would have won, aka MC relied on luck that last game. Wathever you or MC says that was not safe, its a cheese; that's why its not safe, an allin that will make you loose if your opponent scouts it and react properly And besides I want SC2 to become better to watch since thats my 1# goal as a viewer. I just don't want SC2 to become "ROFLNOSKILLRUSHGEAM-craft" which is the metagame many of the mathcups are slowly moving towards. I agree whole heartedly with this, but at the same time you simply can't expect someone in a tournament with money on the line to consciously call off doing build X because it's "cheese" and go with Y for the sake of entertaining the viewership  . | ||
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eggs
1011 Posts
On April 15 2011 22:57 ch33psh33p wrote: People should get banned for this kind of stupidity. Really dude, really? 300 posts and you're still typing shit like this? this post doesn't contribute to the thread. please read the 10 commandments before posting again. on topic: this thread has definitely derailed multiple times to just straight up MC-bashing and protoss whining. PvP is generally going to be 4gate vs 4gate. that's not the players' fault, so don't whine about boring games when it's inevitable. | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
The guy is arguable the best sc2 player in the world and I can't believe he feels the need to explain himself to random internet haters. | ||
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