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Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
April 15 2011 11:58 GMT
#341
I was cheering for WhiteRa but that ending for the series was delicious drama. The proxy was a bullshit tactic and it was awesome because of that. It just makes the whole series more memorable.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
dakalro
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania525 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 12:21:09
April 15 2011 12:01 GMT
#342
On April 15 2011 20:52 myasQo wrote:
Another proof that koreans can't beat europe with macro style.


No, another proof MC is really good. Go play some tournaments for your own league level, where you do more than BO1s and you'll see where cheese fits.

And MC did Idra pretty good on one of the most fun PvZs. And it was ... gasp ... macro.

On the other hand someone should ask WhiteRa who he was pissed at after he lost, you'd see you're making the wrong assumptions, you're being upset while the players themselves think otherwise.

The day an idiot adds some 10 min early game macro rule to their tournament is the day I'll view that tournament as child's play, not worthy of attention or not showing any skill. a-moving a 200 army is not skill. Mind fucking your opponent is.
dakalro
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania525 Posts
April 15 2011 12:07 GMT
#343
On April 15 2011 20:52 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 18:49 karpo wrote:
On April 15 2011 18:45 Geo.Rion wrote:
Understandable? Sure, anti-climatic as shit? Absolutely yes, it's the 5th game, if you know your opponent does 1 thing and wanna take advantage of it with a boring allin, might as well do it the first or second set, it ruins the whole atmosphere of the deciding set, and as a PRO he should know that.


Yeah cause winning isn't the main goal for a professional. Any professional sports player knows it's all about appeasing to the whiny fans... I really don't understand how this is even a argument.

it s an opion smarty, not an argument. I dislike MC, not because he wants to win, his behaviour annoys me, his choice of builds annoy me.

It is entertainmet, i have the right to hate on a football team which plays defense twice 90+5 minutes in the Champions league to pass with a combined score of 1-0 or 1-1 with scoring a goal on the hometeams field. They do it because they want money, it's understandable, but dont ask then all the viwers to support and like that team, because it managed to win. No, fans have the right to trash on play that they dislike, that's how it works.


Except you don't hate your favorite football team when they do the same. You praise their great play. It's basic sports fan behaviour. And trust me, the fans of the team you dislike do the same. It's nothing objective here, pure blind adoration, no intelligence involved :D The heart doesn't care about logic.
DigitalisDestructi
Profile Joined November 2010
United States488 Posts
April 15 2011 12:10 GMT
#344
On April 15 2011 20:52 myasQo wrote:
Another proof that koreans can't beat europe with macro style.

I have to ask... How did you conclude that this is "another proof" Koreans can't beat Europeans with macro style? Care to enlighten us? Are you implying that zero Koreans know how to play macro at the highest level?
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Baarn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2702 Posts
April 15 2011 12:11 GMT
#345
On April 15 2011 20:54 Archvil3 wrote:
Let the haters hate but let it be known that Charlie Sheen got it right: WINNING.


I always thought Charlie Sheen was duh... trolling!
There's no S in KT. :P
Promises
Profile Joined February 2004
Netherlands1821 Posts
April 15 2011 12:18 GMT
#346
On April 15 2011 20:30 pyro19 wrote:
Executes a Strat Perfectly - Check
Read Whitera like a book - Check
Shows Immense Balls to execute a Now or Never Cheese with 15,000$ on the Line - Check
Comes back from 2-0 Down - Check

But the game didn"t go past the 20 min game , so MC doesn"t deserve it.TL does my head in Somedays. The bias here is Ridiculous.


This pretty much sums up my thoughts perfectly.
I'm a man of my word, and that word is "unreliable".
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
April 15 2011 12:22 GMT
#347
On April 15 2011 21:07 dakalro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2011 20:52 Geo.Rion wrote:
On April 15 2011 18:49 karpo wrote:
On April 15 2011 18:45 Geo.Rion wrote:
Understandable? Sure, anti-climatic as shit? Absolutely yes, it's the 5th game, if you know your opponent does 1 thing and wanna take advantage of it with a boring allin, might as well do it the first or second set, it ruins the whole atmosphere of the deciding set, and as a PRO he should know that.


Yeah cause winning isn't the main goal for a professional. Any professional sports player knows it's all about appeasing to the whiny fans... I really don't understand how this is even a argument.

it s an opion smarty, not an argument. I dislike MC, not because he wants to win, his behaviour annoys me, his choice of builds annoy me.

It is entertainmet, i have the right to hate on a football team which plays defense twice 90+5 minutes in the Champions league to pass with a combined score of 1-0 or 1-1 with scoring a goal on the hometeams field. They do it because they want money, it's understandable, but dont ask then all the viwers to support and like that team, because it managed to win. No, fans have the right to trash on play that they dislike, that's how it works.


Except you don't hate your favorite football team when they do the same. You praise their great play. It's basic sports fan behaviour. And trust me, the fans of the team you dislike do the same. It's nothing objective here, pure blind adoration, no intelligence involved :D The heart doesn't care about logic.

that s complete bullshit. I ve been watching football for a long time, and i never cheered for teams whose playstyle were killing the game, if due to a coach or players change one of my favorite clubs became a "let s bunker 190 minutes cuz it s effective" team i stopped watching their games.

The same goes for sc2, i love the players who bring me good games. Troughout MCs 2 GSL runs, word vs korea, dreamhack and all the other events MC entertained me like 5-6 times.

You're a fan of someone who 4 gates very effectively and is smart enough to abuse others's weaknesses with even bigger allins or other gimmick stuff? that's fine with me, but dont expect all the others to do the same, and definetly dont try to explain to them how dumb they are for not liking such a genious and effective player.
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iNfeRnaL *
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Germany1908 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 12:24:38
April 15 2011 12:23 GMT
#348
In fact it was Ra taking the risk, I'm sure 90% of you won't understand this, but if you do the same build over and over again that's by far more risky than the cheese (which was built on information of 4 previous games.) MC used.
See a weakness and counter it. [Also this is a reason why most progamers will not do the same buildorder over and over in BoX - to be more unpredictable]
That's why MC is great and you are not.
Seriously, as a ex clanmate (and more or less friend) of minchul all I can say to everyone that BM'ed the guy on his twitter: You're fucking scumbags. Go fuck yourself and digg a hole so deep that you'll never ever get the fuck out of there again, we don't need people like you here.

E: Actually reading the last pages it seems like many people have understood, but the rant above was meant for those, who fucking don't.
And now don't come off as there were none of those.
mahO
Profile Joined April 2011
France274 Posts
April 15 2011 12:38 GMT
#349
I'm really not a "White Ra" fan, well i'm not anyone fan I guess except IdrA, this guy will always make me laugh in this polite scene, but MC got outplayed badly, and went for the cheese, of course it is valid, of course nobody can blame him for playing the win when 15k is on the line, but man this guy is cocky, he's not the best player at all, even if his fan club (=90% of the protoss) say so, he's a lot weaker than we might think. So yeah it's normal what he did, but man he's really annoying me with the "i'm sc2 god" attitude. This guy will fall, badly, and man i will laugh
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
April 15 2011 12:42 GMT
#350
On April 15 2011 21:38 mahO wrote:
I'm really not a "White Ra" fan, well i'm not anyone fan I guess except IdrA, this guy will always make me laugh in this polite scene, but MC got outplayed badly, and went for the cheese, of course it is valid, of course nobody can blame him for playing the win when 15k is on the line, but man this guy is cocky, he's not the best player at all, even if his fan club (=90% of the protoss) say so, he's a lot weaker than we might think. So yeah it's normal what he did, but man he's really annoying me with the "i'm sc2 god" attitude. This guy will fall, badly, and man i will laugh


He is pretty much on a roll in every tournament though.
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Gnax
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden490 Posts
April 15 2011 12:45 GMT
#351
On April 15 2011 21:38 mahO wrote:
I'm really not a "White Ra" fan, well i'm not anyone fan I guess except IdrA, this guy will always make me laugh in this polite scene, but MC got outplayed badly, and went for the cheese, of course it is valid, of course nobody can blame him for playing the win when 15k is on the line, but man this guy is cocky, he's not the best player at all, even if his fan club (=90% of the protoss) say so, he's a lot weaker than we might think. So yeah it's normal what he did, but man he's really annoying me with the "i'm sc2 god" attitude. This guy will fall, badly, and man i will laugh


Why do you think he will fall? what is his weakness that you've discovered, that no other pro gamer has seen so far?

I think you just want him to fall, because you don't like him and his attitude. Which is ironic when you at the same time mention that you're a fan of IdrA, who has pretty much the same attitude.
dangerjoe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark1866 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 12:48:08
April 15 2011 12:45 GMT
#352
I'm a huge White-Ra fan, and I fist-pumped when he took the second game(!) even though I was only watching a VOD and I already knew Whitera was going to loose beforehand.

And still, I don't have anything hateful to say about MC. He just playing the game, not his fault PvP is what it is. Grats MC Too bad there wasn't $7,5k for 2nd place though

Ask Beavis, I get nothing Butt-head
maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
April 15 2011 12:46 GMT
#353
On April 15 2011 21:38 mahO wrote:
I'm really not a "White Ra" fan, well i'm not anyone fan I guess except IdrA, this guy will always make me laugh in this polite scene, but MC got outplayed badly, and went for the cheese, of course it is valid, of course nobody can blame him for playing the win when 15k is on the line, but man this guy is cocky, he's not the best player at all, even if his fan club (=90% of the protoss) say so, he's a lot weaker than we might think. So yeah it's normal what he did, but man he's really annoying me with the "i'm sc2 god" attitude. This guy will fall, badly, and man i will laugh

I'm not too big a fan of his attitude either. As a matter of fact it makes me chuckle when I see that chubby kid try to act badass. He's an incredible good player, better than most of us ever will be, but that's not a reason to act like he does.
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 12:49:58
April 15 2011 12:48 GMT
#354
And people wonder why progammers don't like to read forums, even on matches they win people are dicks.

On April 15 2011 20:52 myasQo wrote:
Another proof that koreans can't beat europe with macro style.

Did you read the OP? He chose the style he thought would 100% beat White-ra based on the first four games and it did. Why would he choose a macro style opening that won't beat White-ra's build which is the same.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
April 15 2011 12:48 GMT
#355
On April 15 2011 21:38 mahO wrote:
I'm really not a "White Ra" fan, well i'm not anyone fan I guess except IdrA, this guy will always make me laugh in this polite scene, but MC got outplayed badly, and went for the cheese, of course it is valid, of course nobody can blame him for playing the win when 15k is on the line, but man this guy is cocky, he's not the best player at all, even if his fan club (=90% of the protoss) say so, he's a lot weaker than we might think. So yeah it's normal what he did, but man he's really annoying me with the "i'm sc2 god" attitude. This guy will fall, badly, and man i will laugh


Nice job accusing MC of being outplayed and going for cheese when there's a very credible post right above yours that pretty much refutes the idea completely. You couldn't have posted at a more perfect time if you wanted to look ignorant.
Hollis
Profile Joined January 2011
United States505 Posts
April 15 2011 12:49 GMT
#356
LOL MC, you can dish out the BM but you can't take it?

Do what you can to win and don't feel sorry for it, but when you're a cocky SOB expect to get some hate from those who are rubbed the wrong way by your showboating.
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
April 15 2011 12:50 GMT
#357
It's never worth hating on any player for cheesing it's just part of the game and without it the game would be way less fun. Great players are great because of their willingness to take risks not just for trying to play safe every game- if you can't see that then you don't really understand the game well enough.
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-15 12:53:12
April 15 2011 12:52 GMT
#358
On April 15 2011 21:49 Hollis wrote:
LOL MC, you can dish out the BM but you can't take it?

Do what you can to win and don't feel sorry for it, but when you're a cocky SOB expect to get some hate from those who are rubbed the wrong way by your showboating.


What do you mean he can't take it, he stated his reasons and didn't really dish out the bm this time
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Tryxtira
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden572 Posts
April 15 2011 12:52 GMT
#359
I really don't see how people can be upset with MC's play. I was watching the tournament live and I felt many people were seriously disappointed with White-ra's play. So many were cheering for him and making the same build 5 times in a row won't win you any finals against MC.
MrKennyKRH
Profile Joined February 2011
Denmark46 Posts
April 15 2011 12:58 GMT
#360
Lol are people actually BMing MC for the last game? That is so silly haha, he's a pro gamer and he wants to win and anything you can do to win is allowed (within the rules of course ).

Personally I think it was a bullshit ending to the finals, really anticlimactic. But do I hate MC for it? Of course not, he did what he had to. If anything I think the point he made about whitera doing the same opening build in every game and that he just exploited that fact was very valid.

MC really should just ignore the loud minority though. There will always be haters and he has to learn not to let it get to him.
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