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On April 15 2011 19:59 IPS.Mardow. wrote:
Lol, MC is very arrogant in my eyes. When he was in Sweden, I met him on ladder (he was playing on Jinros Account). He first told me he was HuK because he was playing Protoss. Then he asked me if I know MC. I answered 'yes' and told him that I dont like MC. Then he started flaming me with "fuck you" and other stuff. Then I flamed a bit back ofc and we had a little flame war.
So, is this professional?? MC is bm himself so he shouldn't be surprised when other people bm him, too.
And before you ask, yes it was MC. Hotkeys perfectly match and when I asked the real HuK he confirmed me MC was playing on Jinros Account. I still have the rep but I think I get banned if I post it^^.
So you're not going to post the replay or even a screenshot, thus leaving your story with 0 credibility? Cool story there!
More than likely it would probably be MC having giggles pretending to be HuK.
You also have to understand that MC/Jinro/HuK are great friends and any one of them would definitely give you shit if you badmouth the other.
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Actually this is definitely a game that WhiteRa lost not a win by MC.
EDIT: i'm not saying MC played bad, i'm just saying that it was a good move by MC and it was a really bad play by Ra.
Not making a first zealot and (most importantly) not expecting a proxy from the most proxied race ever is too thoughtless. Anytime i play vs protoss i do a job of searching for the hidden probe/pylon/gateway/nexus/expo at my natural up and running 
i blame blizzard for that though.
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On April 15 2011 19:44 Apolo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 19:25 Cade wrote:On April 15 2011 18:45 Geo.Rion wrote:
Understandable? Sure, anti-climatic as shit? Absolutely yes, it's the 5th game, if you know your opponent does 1 thing and wanna take advantage of it with a boring allin, might as well do it the first or second set, it ruins the whole atmosphere of the deciding set, and as a PRO he should know that. This train of thought is the most unreasonable, detrimental thing to esports. "PRO"s should play the game to WIN. NOT to please the crowd. No crowd, no viewers, no viewers no money from sponsors, then no players. Still think they shouldn't appeal the crowd? Do you think that if the game becomes boring it will have as many viewers and followers? Don't think so. Still, a big part of the fault is not the players' but blizzards' for making boring strategies effective.
Lol this is exactly the problem i mentioned in my last post. Come on now, Soccer players run out the clock all the time, and there are still tons of sponsors because people want to see the game played. It's just the same as any other real sport, the players play to win, not to please the crowd. What you want is scripted matches where players always play for the long macro games? That's simply absurd and that would kill of sponsors, money, and players much quicker than playing to win would.
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Good Job MC! Congrats to your win. Don't listen to the nerd haters...they will never have a gf or good life, they are poor individuals. But you are a great with a great personality and skill in starcraft! stay as you are. you got a Fan!!
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It was great strategical thinking by MC. he deserved the win and played well. Congrats to him.
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When I read some of these posts I think we should make a WWE equivalent of SC2. All very exiting macro games with lots of drama and turnarounds, but in the end totally rigged to maximize entertainment.
And of course all the contestants are required to wear spandex and wax their chest.
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On April 15 2011 19:44 Apolo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 19:25 Cade wrote:On April 15 2011 18:45 Geo.Rion wrote:
Understandable? Sure, anti-climatic as shit? Absolutely yes, it's the 5th game, if you know your opponent does 1 thing and wanna take advantage of it with a boring allin, might as well do it the first or second set, it ruins the whole atmosphere of the deciding set, and as a PRO he should know that. This train of thought is the most unreasonable, detrimental thing to esports. "PRO"s should play the game to WIN. NOT to please the crowd. No crowd, no viewers, no viewers no money from sponsors, then no players. Still think they shouldn't appeal the crowd? Do you think that if the game becomes boring it will have as many viewers and followers? Don't think so. Still, a big part of the fault is not the players' but blizzards' for making boring strategies effective.
Yes i want esports to be appreciated for what it is and not be molded by the perverse views of "fans" who want pros to make a show rather than to sport.
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Executes a Strat Perfectly - Check
Read Whitera like a book - Check
Shows Immense Balls to execute a Now or Never Cheese with 15,000$ on the Line - Check
Comes back from 2-0 Down - Check
But the game didn"t go past the 20 min game , so MC doesn"t deserve it.TL does my head in Somedays. The bias here is Ridiculous.
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On April 15 2011 20:01 Let it Raine wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 19:44 Apolo wrote:On April 15 2011 19:25 Cade wrote:On April 15 2011 18:45 Geo.Rion wrote:
Understandable? Sure, anti-climatic as shit? Absolutely yes, it's the 5th game, if you know your opponent does 1 thing and wanna take advantage of it with a boring allin, might as well do it the first or second set, it ruins the whole atmosphere of the deciding set, and as a PRO he should know that. This train of thought is the most unreasonable, detrimental thing to esports. "PRO"s should play the game to WIN. NOT to please the crowd. No crowd, no viewers, no viewers no money from sponsors, then no players. Still think they shouldn't appeal the crowd? Do you think that if the game becomes boring it will have as many viewers and followers? Don't think so. Still, a big part of the fault is not the players' but blizzards' for making boring strategies effective. the players are playing to win. they aren't professional entertainers, they are here to win money and nothing else. if terrible strategies are effective enough to win at the highest of levels, then the only one to blame is blizzard. cheese sucks.
Yeah Blizzard needs to learn to scout the base better and not lose to cheap strategies. RAWR!
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Anyone that is criticizing mc for winning the way he did is just an idiot, Sc2 is a competative e-sport and being 1st is really all that matters even more so in a winner takes all tourny. You really think mc would have 4 gated and mabey lost if he knew he had a very high chance of winning by doing a proxy? In the end white-ra lost the game by not scouting it.
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On April 15 2011 20:20 Cade wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 19:44 Apolo wrote:On April 15 2011 19:25 Cade wrote:On April 15 2011 18:45 Geo.Rion wrote:
Understandable? Sure, anti-climatic as shit? Absolutely yes, it's the 5th game, if you know your opponent does 1 thing and wanna take advantage of it with a boring allin, might as well do it the first or second set, it ruins the whole atmosphere of the deciding set, and as a PRO he should know that. This train of thought is the most unreasonable, detrimental thing to esports. "PRO"s should play the game to WIN. NOT to please the crowd. No crowd, no viewers, no viewers no money from sponsors, then no players. Still think they shouldn't appeal the crowd? Do you think that if the game becomes boring it will have as many viewers and followers? Don't think so. Still, a big part of the fault is not the players' but blizzards' for making boring strategies effective. Lol this is exactly the problem i mentioned in my last post. Come on now, Soccer players run out the clock all the time, and there are still tons of sponsors because people want to see the game played. It's just the same as any other real sport, the players play to win, not to please the crowd. What you want is scripted matches where players always play for the long macro games? That's simply absurd and that would kill of sponsors, money, and players much quicker than playing to win would.
Should just stick to wrestling for scripted matches
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On April 15 2011 19:59 IPS.Mardow. wrote:
Lol, MC is very arrogant in my eyes. When he was in Sweden, I met him on ladder (he was playing on Jinros Account). He first told me he was HuK because he was playing Protoss. Then he asked me if I know MC. I answered 'yes' and told him that I dont like MC. Then he started flaming me with "fuck you" and other stuff. Then I flamed a bit back ofc and we had a little flame war.
So, is this professional?? MC is bm himself so he shouldn't be surprised when other people bm him, too.
And before you ask, yes it was MC. Hotkeys perfectly match and when I asked the real HuK he confirmed me MC was playing on Jinros Account. I still have the rep but I think I get banned if I post it^^.
Hey mardow long time.
Did you beat him?
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the day cheese is banned/nerfed from starcraft is the day starcraft dies, cheese is just apart of the game and very important and fun part imo.
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Everyone has a certain type of game they'd like to see. Some people love TvT, some hate it. "Cheese" is just one of the many terms that people use in an attempt to create logical reasons why all games should be played the way they like to see them played.
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Another proof that koreans can't beat europe with macro style.
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On April 15 2011 18:49 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 18:45 Geo.Rion wrote:
Understandable? Sure, anti-climatic as shit? Absolutely yes, it's the 5th game, if you know your opponent does 1 thing and wanna take advantage of it with a boring allin, might as well do it the first or second set, it ruins the whole atmosphere of the deciding set, and as a PRO he should know that. Yeah cause winning isn't the main goal for a professional. Any professional sports player knows it's all about appeasing to the whiny fans... I really don't understand how this is even a argument.
it s an opion smarty, not an argument. I dislike MC, not because he wants to win, his behaviour annoys me, his choice of builds annoy me.
It is entertainmet, i have the right to hate on a football team which plays defense twice 90+5 minutes in the Champions league to pass with a combined score of 1-0 or 1-1 with scoring a goal on the hometeams field. They do it because they want money, it's understandable, but dont ask then all the viwers to support and like that team, because it managed to win. No, fans have the right to trash on play that they dislike, that's how it works.
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Let the haters hate but let it be known that Charlie Sheen got it right: WINNING.
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Basketball teams hack a shaq. Aim for a player with 3 or more fouls so they will get foul-out. Harass the hell out of Dwight Howard so he get techical fouls.
Football(Soccer) team run out the clock. Do strategic foulings. "Park the bus to protect a 1-0 lead" Mourinho's Inter purposely did not want the ball against Barcelona because it is easier to defend that way and have like 20 percent possession the whole game
Note that these are element of the games allowed by the rules and structure of the game. Just like MC's proxy gate was. Not something illegal like performance enhancing drugs. It was not like MC was stream-cheating/maphacking/listening to the commentators. These guys do what it takes to win within the framework of the game regardless of how entertaining it is for the spectator and that is why they are appreciated. And i don't see football and basketball losing popularity any time soon.
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On April 15 2011 20:41 Suzido wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2011 19:59 IPS.Mardow. wrote:
Lol, MC is very arrogant in my eyes. When he was in Sweden, I met him on ladder (he was playing on Jinros Account). He first told me he was HuK because he was playing Protoss. Then he asked me if I know MC. I answered 'yes' and told him that I dont like MC. Then he started flaming me with "fuck you" and other stuff. Then I flamed a bit back ofc and we had a little flame war.
So, is this professional?? MC is bm himself so he shouldn't be surprised when other people bm him, too.
And before you ask, yes it was MC. Hotkeys perfectly match and when I asked the real HuK he confirmed me MC was playing on Jinros Account. I still have the rep but I think I get banned if I post it^^. Hey mardow long time. Did you beat him?
No, lol^^
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I for one found that last game highly suspensful and exciting.. but I can see how some people were unhappy about the game and/or result. That's fine. Or even people going on twitter to flame him, I mean it's childish but I'm sure he's able to take it, and in a way it's great that fans got so fired up about starcraft 2.
What's really stupid is people saying it was bad for starcraft as an e-sport that MC successfully cheesed in ONE game.
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