EPT[NASL] All about Avilo - Page 3
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
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Termit
Sweden3466 Posts
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antikk
15 Posts
And as Kennigit pointed out, this whole voting system is a fraud anyway. So what difference does it really make? Even if he had 23,000 votes he would still only be on the standby list according to your reasoning.... | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On March 23 2011 03:36 avilo wrote: Basically, you guys are being elitist as hell (obviously the entire thing is) but you didn't have to be a-holes on top of that. i dont think elitist means what you think it means  this isnt a bronze league tourney, them being elitist is a good thing? :o but i kinda agree, im not sure if putting this in the public domain was really required | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On March 23 2011 03:36 Nokarot wrote: If he only has 43 real votes, he only has 43 real votes. All this pointing fingers he said/she said doesn't really seem necessary. The simple fact of the matter is that the large majority of his votes were falsified and his legitimate votes weren't high enough to be on the standby list, which is simply a matter of fact, not something really up for debate. The only thing I would say is that I'm curious as to why avilo is the center of investigations. I'm not saying that I suspect foulplay from any other contestants, but this is the internet, after all. Have you guys given equal investigation to anyone else? I doubt every single fraud vote was in avilos name. I clearly had more than 43 votes, obviously not 23,000 or whatever ridiculous number it was, but I am fairly sure I had around ~1500-2000. Not a lot, but yah, more than 43. I personally know 43 people that voted x3 for me....so yeah...that's a bit of bullshit on their part too to downplay this. I have no fantasies of them inviting me in the first 50. I know none of them personally, and knew they would choose 50 based off of who they knew and who is on a "team" regardless. That part is fine, it's one of the most elitist things to get into the first 50, I did not expect to get in unless by miracle. But come on? Way to kick a guy when he's down already? Accusing me of hacking your poll that doesn't matter and then telling me I have been removed of all consideration by the owners of NASL because the poll was hacked/trolled? What the fuck? Can anyone see something wrong with that? | ||
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relyt
United States1073 Posts
On March 23 2011 03:36 avilo wrote: I highly doubt I only had 43 votes, as I know easily i've had 500+ supporters from various advertising, email lists, and lots of other "getting myself out there." It's obvious that the votes were trolled heavily, not "just" my listing on the site either, but other players as well. I can post the other emails that you have sent to me as well, where you claim I hacked the system, cheated it, and other sorts of stupid non-sense where you mockingly make an analogy of stealing a 1 dollar candy bar and basically act like assholes. Such as the first instance where it was obvious my listing had been trolled/hacked, and you guys removed my name from the site. I PM'd asking for reasoning expecting you guys to be up front and reasonable about it, that you would re-add me to the site and that the votes were possibly trolled. Instead Xeris, you responded telling me you originally deleted my entry from NASL "on accident" because you happened to "misclick on my username with the 'delete button'" out of all of the usernames to "misclick" on. I have no problem with not getting into your elitist NASL club because I don't know the right people and have no former BW grandiose background, even though I've shown more results in SC2 than some people have that probably did make it in. What I have a problem with is you guys accusing me of being a hacker/cheater, and being complete a-holes towards me multiple times, when all I wanted is to apply for NASL, possibly get in, and be involved in this. I certainly had more votes than "43," but you guys are absolutely ridiculous in your lack of professionalism. Like I said, ideally I would have wanted to be in the first batch of 50 "ordained by the gods" progamers to get in the NASL, but I have no problem not being in it, but I do have a problem when you guys accuse me of hacking/cheating when I have no history of cheating anything in my past 10+ years of gaming. Basically, you guys are being elitist as hell (obviously the entire thing is) but you didn't have to be a-holes on top of that. Jesus Christ man, do you ever stop bitching? User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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bLah.
Croatia497 Posts
So even if it was someone else trolling the system, that doesn't change the fact that avilo shouldn't be no.1 on standby list for competition, it would just mean that both nasl and avilo were trolled. and tbh it's hard to feel sorry for guy who says: On March 23 2011 03:41 avilo wrote:That part is fine, it's one of the most elitist things to get into the first 50, I did not expect to get in unless by miracle. if by miracle you mean getting your game up and winning some stuff, getting your name out etc, then yea, you need miracle. This is just ridiculous to make drama out of something like this when everyone knows that there's no way that some players from that list had so many legit votes. And whether NASL thinks that they did it by themselves or that's someone from outside - that should be dealt with from the inside. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On March 23 2011 03:36 avilo wrote: I highly doubt I only had 43 votes, as I know easily i've had 500+ supporters from various advertising, email lists, and lots of other "getting myself out there." It's obvious that the votes were trolled heavily, not "just" my listing on the site either, but other players as well. I can post the other emails that you have sent to me as well, where you claim I hacked the system, cheated it, and other sorts of stupid non-sense where you mockingly make an analogy of stealing a 1 dollar candy bar and basically act like assholes. Such as the first instance where it was obvious my listing had been trolled/hacked, and you guys removed my name from the site. I PM'd asking for reasoning expecting you guys to be up front and reasonable about it, that you would re-add me to the site and that the votes were possibly trolled. Instead Xeris, you responded telling me you originally deleted my entry from NASL "on accident" because you happened to "misclick on my username with the 'delete button'" out of all of the usernames to "misclick" on. I have no problem with not getting into your elitist NASL club because I don't know the right people and have no former BW grandiose background, even though I've shown more results in SC2 than some people have that probably did make it in. What I have a problem with is you guys accusing me of being a hacker/cheater, and being complete a-holes towards me multiple times, when all I wanted is to apply for NASL, possibly get in, and be involved in this. I certainly had more votes than "43," but you guys are absolutely ridiculous in your lack of professionalism. Like I said, ideally I would have wanted to be in the first batch of 50 "ordained by the gods" progamers to get in the NASL, but I have no problem not being in it, but I do have a problem when you guys accuse me of hacking/cheating when I have no history of cheating anything in my past 10+ years of gaming. Basically, you guys are being elitist as hell (obviously the entire thing is) but you didn't have to be a-holes on top of that. Avilo, because you have 500 supporters does not mean all 500 will vote for you, in fact even close to 10% or so rate (which 43 would be), is pretty good. For example we have had over 250,000 viewers on iCCup TV since we started promoting our Facebook VERY heavily. We have 97 people that have "liked" the page currently. It's pretty standard, most people are lazy. Cool for NASL to be nice and transparent on this  ! | ||
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Deadlyfish
Denmark1980 Posts
On March 23 2011 03:40 Termit wrote: The funny thing is, where would the votes come from if not from himself? Okey if he would be some crazy superstar of a player or some famous streamer but the guy has like 10 viewers on his crappy stream on a daily basis... so yeah the legit votes he have right now is probably from his family and friends. xD Am i missing something? Why are people being so disrespectful towards Avilo? I'm sure it was just a misunderstanding and everything, but even in this thread people are calling his stream crappy and laughing about how only 43 people actually voted for him. The guy didnt do anything wrong as far as i understand? I am just a little confused. I guess it's just people being idiots or whatever? | ||
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Random44
2 Posts
So him doing something like this doesn't come as a surprise | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
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cangiz
Canada286 Posts
You are a good player, but I dont feel you can compete in this tourney vs the koreans and the top NA/EU players. | ||
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SirDuke
United States239 Posts
On March 23 2011 03:37 avilo wrote: Thank you for having common sense of why I am upset. These awesome NASL people, apparently from what Xeris has emailed me and told me, I have been deemed a hacker/cheater by the NASL and was completely removed from consideration due to fucking trolls on the internet that are out of my control. And when I am PMing/Emailing with no responses, no contact with the owners, you can see why I have a right to get upset. Once again: we are not accusing him of cheating. There is NO WAY for us to know exactly who gave him 23,000 votes, but they were fraudulent votes. This is the last thing we will say on the matter, and we believe that our decision was fair and correct. did u not read the OP? | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On March 23 2011 03:40 antikk wrote: Those PM's you sent Avilo really were straight up accusing him of submitting the fake votes. No amount of backtracking will get you out of that. And as Kennigit pointed out, this whole voting system is a fraud anyway. So what difference does it really make? Even if he had 23,000 votes he would still only be on the standby list according to your reasoning.... You should see the PM's from the first time around that they removed me from the polls. I expected a reasonable response, instead they tell me they "misclicked and deleted my entry." As well as Xeris mocking me PM after asking why my entry had been removed, "no clue, nobody has touched that site in awhile, players already decided anyways, plus voting doesn't matter. oh, it's a conspiracy though. " So wait, voting doesn't matter, but they still are going to be complete assholes towards me, call me a hacker/cheater, and remove me from consideration from the NASL because their poll was ttrolled? | ||
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happyft
United States470 Posts
On March 23 2011 03:36 avilo wrote: + Show Spoiler [Your long rant] + I highly doubt I only had 43 votes, as I know easily i've had 500+ supporters from various advertising, email lists, and lots of other "getting myself out there." It's obvious that the votes were trolled heavily, not "just" my listing on the site either, but other players as well. I can post the other emails that you have sent to me as well, where you claim I hacked the system, cheated it, and other sorts of stupid non-sense where you mockingly make an analogy of stealing a 1 dollar candy bar and basically act like assholes. Such as the first instance where it was obvious my listing had been trolled/hacked, and you guys removed my name from the site. I PM'd asking for reasoning expecting you guys to be up front and reasonable about it, that you would re-add me to the site and that the votes were possibly trolled. Instead Xeris, you responded telling me you originally deleted my entry from NASL "on accident" because you happened to "misclick on my username with the 'delete button'" out of all of the usernames to "misclick" on. I have no problem with not getting into your elitist NASL club because I don't know the right people and have no former BW grandiose background, even though I've shown more results in SC2 than some people have that probably did make it in. What I have a problem with is you guys accusing me of being a hacker/cheater, and being complete a-holes towards me multiple times, when all I wanted is to apply for NASL, possibly get in, and be involved in this. I certainly had more votes than "43," but you guys are absolutely ridiculous in your lack of professionalism. Like I said, ideally I would have wanted to be in the first batch of 50 "ordained by the gods" progamers to get in the NASL, but I have no problem not being in it, but I do have a problem when you guys accuse me of hacking/cheating when I have no history of cheating anything in my past 10+ years of gaming. Basically, you guys are being elitist as hell (obviously the entire thing is) but you didn't have to be a-holes on top of that. Sounds like you're barking up the wrong tree. Shouldn't you be discussing this with uservoice? | ||
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1Lamb1Rice
United States435 Posts
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Momildo
Brazil93 Posts
On March 23 2011 03:36 Treadmill wrote: Well, this is good to know, I suppose. It is good to clarify this, and the transparency is nice too. And this: makes it sound like the players have already been chosen. They are sopposed to start showing the chosen players today. | ||
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Xeris
Iran17695 Posts
On March 23 2011 03:40 antikk wrote: Those PM's you sent Avilo really were straight up accusing him of submitting the fake votes. No amount of backtracking will get you out of that. And as Kennigit pointed out, this whole voting system is a fraud anyway. So what difference does it really make? Even if he had 23,000 votes he would still only be on the standby list according to your reasoning.... 1) As I said, the first PM I realize I was a bit accusatory, which is why I clarified my stance in the remainder of the PM's / emails. 2) That's actually NOT what Kennigit said at all. 3) There is an open tournament, so if Avilo deserves to be in the league he can qualify that way. 4) Stay tuned to NASL.tv throughout the next 10 days as we announce our players! | ||
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KingTony
United States46 Posts
Let me reiterate though that I do not have all the facts. Anywho... good luck and have batman to both sides... | ||
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KoshkaTV
United States430 Posts
I just hope this isn't a sign that TOP KOREANS aren't on the list.... because if Avilo was ever considered, it would only be because he is from NA. He's exactly the type of talent we got in NA.... which is why NASL should have TOP KOREANs! Sucks to deal with this type of stuff though as an admin..... you know who is really manner? Top Koreans! :D <3 | ||
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