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On March 23 2011 03:47 avilo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2011 03:43 Random44 wrote:Avilo was well know for exploiting bugs in Red Alert 3, claiming that if EA hadn't fixed them then they were legit, even though EA was notoriously slow in fixing things. So him doing something like this doesn't come as a surprise  I've never "exploited" anything in any game random troll. Don't try to de-rail this with stupid arguments about "scvs moving to a mineral patch stacking themselves is an exploit."
You can't deny you used the cancel wall bug as allies in RA3 to build massive amounts of instant walls in all of your games.
A quote from YOU from back in the RA3 days "If building walls like this was cheating we'd see EA make an official statement about it. Otherwise, it's another skill element to the game, as you're able to build walls either way."
Here is Proof of Avilo exploiting in the form of a RA3 replay.
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Ok, Avilo seems to be going way overboard and contesting all sorts of things (like the number of honest votes) that he has no reason at all to doubt. That said, this seems a little iffy:
"So we can't in good conscience keep you on a list to be considered knowing that you possibly rigged the voting; does that make sense?"
That seems to make it clear that he's being punished for "possibly rigging the voting." If you don't have any reason to be sure it was him, punishing him for it seems a bit unreasonable to me, even if he probably wouldn't have gotten into the league anyway. Sure, when there are tons of fake votes for him, he's the prime suspect, but I've seen plenty of online polls rigged pretty much just to prove the point that they're unreliable. It's not impossible that someone thought it would be funny to screw with it and make someone who would obviously not be that high get tons of votes.
I'm all for extremely harsh punishment of anyone cheating in any way, but you have to be pretty sure it was them doing the cheating first.
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As one of the 43 people that voted for Avilo, I am sorely disappointed. I wanted to see him get owned in the first round when his bit-by-bit-prime rushes failed. please reconsider taking him off the waiting list.
@xeris--anyone ever consider why Avilo stayed quiet while he received 25,000 votes? Since he only allegedly has 500 fans, it is a wonder why he would even think it was legitimate. Did he contact you to say that he thought he was being trolled? or was he willing to take advantage of the situation so that he can get into NASL?
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fair enough, I don't know anyone that would rig votes in his favour other than himself but as there is no way of proving it, it doesn't really matter.
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The OP makes mention multiple times of the fact that they're not saying whether or not it was him, or another party, just the fact that most of the votes were fraudulent. Even if avilo did have absolutely nothing to do with it whatsoever, which he probably didn't even, it still doesn't make any difference as to him not being on the list then, because almost the entirety of the votes were invalid.
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Haha, AtheneWins' trolling has been more successful than I ever imagined anyone would let it be. I dont think he's picked a personality such as avilo to be the subject of his awesomeness by chance, though, seeing how willing avilo is to throw petrol on the fire. It does make for quite the show, if nothing else.
Well, at least NASL is professional enough to *not* offer "compensation" for something they clearly do not owe anything for. All we can hope for for avilo is that all those tons of fans get on their feet and vote legitimately now?
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Xeris and crew laying out the pwn. GL to avilo though...would have been interesting to see the personality in action at the NASL.
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im confused by avilos attidude to them backtracking on their accusations. would you rather they didnt backtrack? whilst it was obviously a bad call to make accusations with so little evidence, it wasnt an unreasonable mistake to make.
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On March 23 2011 03:53 getSome[703] wrote:I don't like avilo. He complains a lot. Show nested quote +On March 23 2011 03:21 Xeris wrote:
To clarify: We are not accusing Avilo of cheating.
PMs:
"Ah, you were removed from the poll by uservoice. We investigated fraudulent voting and your votes were illegitimate. You used the same account but changed IP's every time, which was pretty funny. ". But, I can't really take you seriously anymore. He has every right to think he was accused of cheating. I think avilo is getting the short end of the stick here
Thanks. Like I said, I don't give a shit if they don't let me in their mile high club or some shit at this point. But yeah...even the name Xeris gave to this thread title is pretty mocking and unprofessional. Like seriously? Accuse me of cheating, say you are barring me from your competition because of something I have no control of, and then on top of that mockingly insert lil comments via email/pm, and then mock me in the thread title? ...thanks NASL.
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Please people chill out a bit yes Avilo`s votes turned out to be fraud, that still doesnt justify disrespect he got from Xeris, as he hasnt denied it I assume it is true.
He may not be a machine or have a dire need for secretaries, we all can symphatize, that doesnt mean he shouldnt apologize if he has been too harsh or rude (and imo he has been)
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On March 23 2011 03:53 avilo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2011 03:49 SiN] wrote:
dem 500 DIEHARD FANS
...turn out to not care at all
The votes don't even mean anything. Avilo, you can't even be in the league yet because you don't have a team. This shit was pretty obvious, and you still manage to complain about it and look dumb. What the hell is your problem? What is with this random bashing, look at wtf is posted and going on. If you were in the same situation I would support you because it's absolute bullshit that they told me I am being removed from consideration and accusing me of cheating/hacking their polls. Like jesus christ, they say the poll doesn't matter, but then they go and tell me they are removing me from all consideration and that I am a hacker/cheater?
Xeris already said you weren't in the first 50 anyways and the only reason you were on the standby was because of 23k fradulant votes. so what are u tryin to accomplish by saying u know you had a few hundred votes? it wouldn't matter anyways.
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On March 23 2011 03:51 avilo wrote:
Well, if you would read, they have indeed accused me of hacking/cheating a poll that doesn't matter, as well as said via email that they are removing me from consideration period from the NASL because they are saying i hacked/cheated the polls.
"To clarify: We are not accusing Avilo of cheating. It could have been him rigging the votes on the poll, or it could have been someone else rigging the votes on the poll. Either way, all the fake votes were removed, and the remaining, legitimate votes are... 43. So, Avilo was not removed from the poll, but his fake votes were. "
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"Once again: we are not accusing him of cheating. There is NO WAY for us to know exactly who gave him 23,000 votes, but they were fraudulent votes. "
Bottom line is they have told me they removed me because I cheated, when I certainly have not hacked/cheated anything. They can backtrack all they want now though.
if you read the first post, it says you were only a standby, thats with your 23k votes, because of your position on the poll.
and even if you say you should have at least 1500-2k votes, it likely wouldnt have been enough to get you considered for even standby.
so in the end they didnt accuse you, and either way you wouldn't be in nasl...
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On March 23 2011 03:36 avilo wrote:
I highly doubt I only had 43 votes, as I know easily i've had 500+ supporters from various advertising, email lists, and lots of other "getting myself out there."
It's obvious that the votes were trolled heavily, not "just" my listing on the site either, but other players as well.
I can post the other emails that you have sent to me as well, where you claim I hacked the system, cheated it, and other sorts of stupid non-sense where you mockingly make an analogy of stealing a 1 dollar candy bar and basically act like assholes.
Such as the first instance where it was obvious my listing had been trolled/hacked, and you guys removed my name from the site. I PM'd asking for reasoning expecting you guys to be up front and reasonable about it, that you would re-add me to the site and that the votes were possibly trolled.
Instead Xeris, you responded telling me you originally deleted my entry from NASL "on accident" because you happened to "misclick on my username with the 'delete button'" out of all of the usernames to "misclick" on.
I have no problem with not getting into your elitist NASL club because I don't know the right people and have no former BW grandiose background, even though I've shown more results in SC2 than some people have that probably did make it in. What I have a problem with is you guys accusing me of being a hacker/cheater, and being complete a-holes towards me multiple times, when all I wanted is to apply for NASL, possibly get in, and be involved in this.
I certainly had more votes than "43," but you guys are absolutely ridiculous in your lack of professionalism. Like I said, ideally I would have wanted to be in the first batch of 50 "ordained by the gods" progamers to get in the NASL, but I have no problem not being in it, but I do have a problem when you guys accuse me of hacking/cheating when I have no history of cheating anything in my past 10+ years of gaming.
Basically, you guys are being elitist as hell (obviously the entire thing is) but you didn't have to be a-holes on top of that.
Oh my god man, Avilo, Avilio or what ever the **** your name is, stop this bitching now..
First of all, It was detected by the poll admin, that alot of votes where cheat. Wether you did it or not, all these votes are false, and don't count for nothing.
Second, The fact that you even think that you being high on that poll will put you in the NASL, clearly shows that you actually haven't read or heard anything about how that poll works. The poll is just for the community to get involved and share their opinion. Never has it been stated, that being high on the poll, will get you into the NASL.
Third, but definitely not last, who the hell are you? Seriously, how can you even think that you are among the 50 players participating in the NASL? If you check the forum once in a while, you would see the posts about who could actually be participating in the NASL. Do you really, seriously believe, that you are in the same caliber as the people being discussed? Remember, this isn't just about how good of a player you are, but alot more about you actually being a person that people can relate to, and actually want to see play.
Just face it, your a nobody. And being a nobody, doesn't get you into the NASL. IF you where remotely somewhere near being someone, you would have more than 43 votes. And don't give me no horsecrap about you know people voted for you. Its a well known poll site, so they know what their doing, when detecting fraud votes. Fraud votes removed, and you have 43. Just accept it.
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Can you not read what it said in the OP. Here:
"Nowhere did I say that I accused him of cheating. In the FIRST PM I said "you", but I clarified it later."
He admitted to using some wrong words but then fixed that later on. He is not accusing avilo of cheating.
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On March 23 2011 03:53 avilo wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2011 03:49 SiN] wrote:
dem 500 DIEHARD FANS
...turn out to not care at all
The votes don't even mean anything. Avilo, you can't even be in the league yet because you don't have a team. This shit was pretty obvious, and you still manage to complain about it and look dumb. What the hell is your problem? What is with this random bashing, look at wtf is posted and going on. If you were in the same situation I would support you because it's absolute bullshit that they told me I am being removed from consideration and accusing me of cheating/hacking their polls. Like jesus christ, they say the poll doesn't matter, but then they go and tell me they are removing me from all consideration and that I am a hacker/cheater?
Would you rather hear a honest answer like your not cutting it/ not good enough/ not enough achievements? Or hear something like you've messed with the system one way or another (this you know yourself its true) and therefore you will not be chosen to participate in NASL?
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On March 23 2011 03:56 FrodaN wrote:
Xeris and crew laying out the pwn. GL to avilo though...would have been interesting to see the personality in action at the NASL.
I'd rather see skill; something Avilo isn't that known for. Let's hope some kickass Koreans and Europeans get in.
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"Ah, you were removed from the poll by uservoice. We investigated fraudulent voting and your votes were illegitimate. You used the same account but changed IP's every time, which was pretty funny. "
Tbh I would felt like I was accused of cheating if I received that kind om pm. That is the kind of stuff that can easily escalate to a bad argument when two parties are writing shit back and forth. Which is probably what has happened here already, and that is a shame for everyone.
Obviously his votes needed to be deleted, but the wording of that pm really was not the best.
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On March 23 2011 03:43 cangiz wrote:
Avilo, this toruney has to be elitist. Look at the prize pool... Stop making stupid arguments and just accept the fact that you had less than 50 votes.
You are a good player, but I dont feel you can compete in this tourney vs the koreans and the top NA/EU players.
And players like incontrol can? :D
I mean i'm sure he will get invited and every1 knows he has 0 achievements in sc2.
Also 43 votes on avilo seems low to me, since i'm sure he already had more then that from people over at gr.org alone.
Perhaps they should just do it fair all together, that basically means only invite Idra from NA and some of the top guys from EU and rest koreans. Then you have the real top 50.
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On March 23 2011 03:56 SirDuke wrote:Show nested quote +On March 23 2011 03:53 avilo wrote:On March 23 2011 03:49 SiN] wrote:
dem 500 DIEHARD FANS
...turn out to not care at all
The votes don't even mean anything. Avilo, you can't even be in the league yet because you don't have a team. This shit was pretty obvious, and you still manage to complain about it and look dumb. What the hell is your problem? What is with this random bashing, look at wtf is posted and going on. If you were in the same situation I would support you because it's absolute bullshit that they told me I am being removed from consideration and accusing me of cheating/hacking their polls. Like jesus christ, they say the poll doesn't matter, but then they go and tell me they are removing me from all consideration and that I am a hacker/cheater? Xeris already said you weren't in the first 50 anyways and the only reason you were on the standby was because of 23k fradulant votes. so what are u tryin to accomplish by saying u know you had a few hundred votes? it wouldn't matter anyways.
Exactly.
Xeris has made his statement and no amount of whining or arguing will change it. Now is the time to drop it before you dig yourself into a deeper hole.
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On March 23 2011 03:56 imbs wrote:
im confused by avilos attidude to them backtracking on their accusations. would you rather they didnt backtrack? whilst it was obviously a bad call to make accusations with so little evidence, it wasnt an unreasonable mistake to make.
It's obvious that they have to backtrack, because the mocking tone Xeris has shown me in emails/PMs is pretty disgusting, and he knew he accused me of hacking/cheating and that he had told me via email/PM that they were removing me from consideration because "I cheated" and they cannot on "good conscience" sacrifice the "legitimacy" of the tournament by letting me be on the backup list because their userpoll people said I cheated.
So he made this thread b4 I made it myself essentially.
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