• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:34
CEST 15:34
KST 22:34
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!9[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Evil Geniuses - shutting down14ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier5Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League56Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.167
StarCraft 2
General
No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? REPORT: StarCraft 2: Remastered In Development Evil Geniuses - shutting down How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? Daily SC2 Player Grid - feedback wanted
Tourneys
ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WORTEX Challenger Series — Open SC2 LAN in Budapes
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands
External Content
Mutation # 548 Shining Bright The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train
Brood War
General
Starcraft player cRuZa Passed away. Bot on ladder Do we even care about balance? Young Players Tournament Announced by SOOP Rollback Netcode in Brood War
Tourneys
[$1250] International ShieldBattery League Small VOD Thread 2.0 2v2v2v2 Tournament [BSL23] RO24 Group C
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) 50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Armies of Exigo - YesYes? General RTS Discussion Thread Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Artificial Intelligence Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion!
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
How Much Genes Contribute to…
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8847 users

[NASL] All about Avilo - Page 5

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 11 12 13 Next All
Random44
Profile Joined March 2011
2 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-22 19:02:09
March 22 2011 18:54 GMT
#81
On March 23 2011 03:47 avilo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2011 03:43 Random44 wrote:
Avilo was well know for exploiting bugs in Red Alert 3, claiming that if EA hadn't fixed them then they were legit, even though EA was notoriously slow in fixing things.

So him doing something like this doesn't come as a surprise


I've never "exploited" anything in any game random troll. Don't try to de-rail this with stupid arguments about "scvs moving to a mineral patch stacking themselves is an exploit."



You can't deny you used the cancel wall bug as allies in RA3 to build massive amounts of instant walls in all of your games.

A quote from YOU from back in the RA3 days "If building walls like this was cheating we'd see EA make an official statement about it. Otherwise, it's another skill element to the game, as you're able to build walls either way."

Here is Proof of Avilo exploiting in the form of a RA3 replay.
aristarchus
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States652 Posts
March 22 2011 18:54 GMT
#82
Ok, Avilo seems to be going way overboard and contesting all sorts of things (like the number of honest votes) that he has no reason at all to doubt. That said, this seems a little iffy:

"So we can't in good conscience keep you on a list to be considered knowing that you possibly rigged the voting; does that make sense?"

That seems to make it clear that he's being punished for "possibly rigging the voting." If you don't have any reason to be sure it was him, punishing him for it seems a bit unreasonable to me, even if he probably wouldn't have gotten into the league anyway. Sure, when there are tons of fake votes for him, he's the prime suspect, but I've seen plenty of online polls rigged pretty much just to prove the point that they're unreliable. It's not impossible that someone thought it would be funny to screw with it and make someone who would obviously not be that high get tons of votes.

I'm all for extremely harsh punishment of anyone cheating in any way, but you have to be pretty sure it was them doing the cheating first.
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
March 22 2011 18:54 GMT
#83
As one of the 43 people that voted for Avilo, I am sorely disappointed. I wanted to see him get owned in the first round when his bit-by-bit-prime rushes failed. please reconsider taking him off the waiting list.

@xeris--anyone ever consider why Avilo stayed quiet while he received 25,000 votes? Since he only allegedly has 500 fans, it is a wonder why he would even think it was legitimate. Did he contact you to say that he thought he was being trolled? or was he willing to take advantage of the situation so that he can get into NASL?
ThE_OsToJiY
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada1167 Posts
March 22 2011 18:55 GMT
#84
fair enough, I don't know anyone that would rig votes in his favour other than himself but as there is no way of proving it, it doesn't really matter.
@ostojiy
Howl67
Profile Joined October 2010
United States148 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-22 18:57:09
March 22 2011 18:55 GMT
#85
The OP makes mention multiple times of the fact that they're not saying whether or not it was him, or another party, just the fact that most of the votes were fraudulent. Even if avilo did have absolutely nothing to do with it whatsoever, which he probably didn't even, it still doesn't make any difference as to him not being on the list then, because almost the entirety of the votes were invalid.
Jarmam
Profile Joined June 2010
Denmark140 Posts
March 22 2011 18:55 GMT
#86
Haha, AtheneWins' trolling has been more successful than I ever imagined anyone would let it be. I dont think he's picked a personality such as avilo to be the subject of his awesomeness by chance, though, seeing how willing avilo is to throw petrol on the fire. It does make for quite the show, if nothing else.

Well, at least NASL is professional enough to *not* offer "compensation" for something they clearly do not owe anything for. All we can hope for for avilo is that all those tons of fans get on their feet and vote legitimately now?
"Freedom for Colossus" - White-Ra
FrodaN
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
754 Posts
March 22 2011 18:56 GMT
#87
Xeris and crew laying out the pwn. GL to avilo though...would have been interesting to see the personality in action at the NASL.
imbs
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom320 Posts
March 22 2011 18:56 GMT
#88
im confused by avilos attidude to them backtracking on their accusations. would you rather they didnt backtrack? whilst it was obviously a bad call to make accusations with so little evidence, it wasnt an unreasonable mistake to make.
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
March 22 2011 18:56 GMT
#89
On March 23 2011 03:53 getSome[703] wrote:
I don't like avilo. He complains a lot.

Show nested quote +
On March 23 2011 03:21 Xeris wrote:
To clarify: We are not accusing Avilo of cheating.

PMs:
"Ah, you were removed from the poll by uservoice. We investigated fraudulent voting and your votes were illegitimate. You used the same account but changed IP's every time, which was pretty funny. ".


But, I can't really take you seriously anymore. He has every right to think he was accused of cheating.

I think avilo is getting the short end of the stick here


Thanks. Like I said, I don't give a shit if they don't let me in their mile high club or some shit at this point. But yeah...even the name Xeris gave to this thread title is pretty mocking and unprofessional. Like seriously? Accuse me of cheating, say you are barring me from your competition because of something I have no control of, and then on top of that mockingly insert lil comments via email/pm, and then mock me in the thread title? ...thanks NASL.
Sup
Jakalo
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Latvia2350 Posts
March 22 2011 18:56 GMT
#90
Please people chill out a bit yes Avilo`s votes turned out to be fraud, that still doesnt justify disrespect he got from Xeris, as he hasnt denied it I assume it is true.
He may not be a machine or have a dire need for secretaries, we all can symphatize, that doesnt mean he shouldnt apologize if he has been too harsh or rude (and imo he has been)
Nostalgia is not as good as it used to be.
SirDuke
Profile Joined October 2010
United States239 Posts
March 22 2011 18:56 GMT
#91
On March 23 2011 03:53 avilo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2011 03:49 SiN] wrote:
dem 500 DIEHARD FANS
...turn out to not care at all

The votes don't even mean anything. Avilo, you can't even be in the league yet because you don't have a team. This shit was pretty obvious, and you still manage to complain about it and look dumb.


What the hell is your problem? What is with this random bashing, look at wtf is posted and going on. If you were in the same situation I would support you because it's absolute bullshit that they told me I am being removed from consideration and accusing me of cheating/hacking their polls.

Like jesus christ, they say the poll doesn't matter, but then they go and tell me they are removing me from all consideration and that I am a hacker/cheater?


Xeris already said you weren't in the first 50 anyways and the only reason you were on the standby was because of 23k fradulant votes. so what are u tryin to accomplish by saying u know you had a few hundred votes? it wouldn't matter anyways.
Wanna turn up the heat?
TheAura
Profile Joined November 2010
96 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-22 18:58:41
March 22 2011 18:57 GMT
#92
On March 23 2011 03:51 avilo wrote:
Well, if you would read, they have indeed accused me of hacking/cheating a poll that doesn't matter, as well as said via email that they are removing me from consideration period from the NASL because they are saying i hacked/cheated the polls.



"To clarify: We are not accusing Avilo of cheating. It could have been him rigging the votes on the poll, or it could have been someone else rigging the votes on the poll. Either way, all the fake votes were removed, and the remaining, legitimate votes are... 43. So, Avilo was not removed from the poll, but his fake votes were. "

and

"Once again: we are not accusing him of cheating. There is NO WAY for us to know exactly who gave him 23,000 votes, but they were fraudulent votes. "




Bottom line is they have told me they removed me because I cheated, when I certainly have not hacked/cheated anything. They can backtrack all they want now though.


if you read the first post, it says you were only a standby, thats with your 23k votes, because of your position on the poll.


and even if you say you should have at least 1500-2k votes, it likely wouldnt have been enough to get you considered for even standby.




so in the end they didnt accuse you, and either way you wouldn't be in nasl...

jelle
Profile Joined September 2010
Denmark88 Posts
March 22 2011 18:57 GMT
#93
On March 23 2011 03:36 avilo wrote:
I highly doubt I only had 43 votes, as I know easily i've had 500+ supporters from various advertising, email lists, and lots of other "getting myself out there."

It's obvious that the votes were trolled heavily, not "just" my listing on the site either, but other players as well.

I can post the other emails that you have sent to me as well, where you claim I hacked the system, cheated it, and other sorts of stupid non-sense where you mockingly make an analogy of stealing a 1 dollar candy bar and basically act like assholes.

Such as the first instance where it was obvious my listing had been trolled/hacked, and you guys removed my name from the site. I PM'd asking for reasoning expecting you guys to be up front and reasonable about it, that you would re-add me to the site and that the votes were possibly trolled.

Instead Xeris, you responded telling me you originally deleted my entry from NASL "on accident" because you happened to "misclick on my username with the 'delete button'" out of all of the usernames to "misclick" on.

I have no problem with not getting into your elitist NASL club because I don't know the right people and have no former BW grandiose background, even though I've shown more results in SC2 than some people have that probably did make it in. What I have a problem with is you guys accusing me of being a hacker/cheater, and being complete a-holes towards me multiple times, when all I wanted is to apply for NASL, possibly get in, and be involved in this.

I certainly had more votes than "43," but you guys are absolutely ridiculous in your lack of professionalism. Like I said, ideally I would have wanted to be in the first batch of 50 "ordained by the gods" progamers to get in the NASL, but I have no problem not being in it, but I do have a problem when you guys accuse me of hacking/cheating when I have no history of cheating anything in my past 10+ years of gaming.

Basically, you guys are being elitist as hell (obviously the entire thing is) but you didn't have to be a-holes on top of that.



Oh my god man, Avilo, Avilio or what ever the **** your name is, stop this bitching now..

First of all, It was detected by the poll admin, that alot of votes where cheat. Wether you did it or not, all these votes are false, and don't count for nothing.

Second, The fact that you even think that you being high on that poll will put you in the NASL, clearly shows that you actually haven't read or heard anything about how that poll works. The poll is just for the community to get involved and share their opinion. Never has it been stated, that being high on the poll, will get you into the NASL.

Third, but definitely not last, who the hell are you? Seriously, how can you even think that you are among the 50 players participating in the NASL? If you check the forum once in a while, you would see the posts about who could actually be participating in the NASL. Do you really, seriously believe, that you are in the same caliber as the people being discussed? Remember, this isn't just about how good of a player you are, but alot more about you actually being a person that people can relate to, and actually want to see play.

Just face it, your a nobody. And being a nobody, doesn't get you into the NASL. IF you where remotely somewhere near being someone, you would have more than 43 votes. And don't give me no horsecrap about you know people voted for you. Its a well known poll site, so they know what their doing, when detecting fraud votes. Fraud votes removed, and you have 43. Just accept it.
"I don't know which weapons will be used in WorldWar 3, but WorldWar 4 will be fought with sticks and stones" - Albert Einstein
relyt
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1073 Posts
March 22 2011 18:57 GMT
#94
Can you not read what it said in the OP. Here:

"Nowhere did I say that I accused him of cheating. In the FIRST PM I said "you", but I clarified it later."

He admitted to using some wrong words but then fixed that later on. He is not accusing avilo of cheating.
Shinobi1982
Profile Joined January 2011
1605 Posts
March 22 2011 18:57 GMT
#95
On March 23 2011 03:53 avilo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2011 03:49 SiN] wrote:
dem 500 DIEHARD FANS
...turn out to not care at all

The votes don't even mean anything. Avilo, you can't even be in the league yet because you don't have a team. This shit was pretty obvious, and you still manage to complain about it and look dumb.


What the hell is your problem? What is with this random bashing, look at wtf is posted and going on. If you were in the same situation I would support you because it's absolute bullshit that they told me I am being removed from consideration and accusing me of cheating/hacking their polls.

Like jesus christ, they say the poll doesn't matter, but then they go and tell me they are removing me from all consideration and that I am a hacker/cheater?

Would you rather hear a honest answer like your not cutting it/ not good enough/ not enough achievements? Or hear something like you've messed with the system one way or another (this you know yourself its true) and therefore you will not be chosen to participate in NASL?
Train like an animal, eat like a horse, sleep like a baby, grow like a weed.
hmunkey
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom1973 Posts
March 22 2011 18:58 GMT
#96
On March 23 2011 03:56 FrodaN wrote:
Xeris and crew laying out the pwn. GL to avilo though...would have been interesting to see the personality in action at the NASL.

I'd rather see skill; something Avilo isn't that known for. Let's hope some kickass Koreans and Europeans get in.
Ghad
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Norway2551 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-22 19:01:40
March 22 2011 18:58 GMT
#97
"Ah, you were removed from the poll by uservoice. We investigated fraudulent voting and your votes were illegitimate. You used the same account but changed IP's every time, which was pretty funny. "

Tbh I would felt like I was accused of cheating if I received that kind om pm. That is the kind of stuff that can easily escalate to a bad argument when two parties are writing shit back and forth. Which is probably what has happened here already, and that is a shame for everyone.

Obviously his votes needed to be deleted, but the wording of that pm really was not the best.
forgottendreams: One underage girl, two drunk guys, one gogo dancer and starcraft 2. Apparently just another day in Europe.
Technique
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands1542 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-22 19:01:45
March 22 2011 18:58 GMT
#98
On March 23 2011 03:43 cangiz wrote:
Avilo, this toruney has to be elitist. Look at the prize pool... Stop making stupid arguments and just accept the fact that you had less than 50 votes.

You are a good player, but I dont feel you can compete in this tourney vs the koreans and the top NA/EU players.

And players like incontrol can? :D

I mean i'm sure he will get invited and every1 knows he has 0 achievements in sc2.

Also 43 votes on avilo seems low to me, since i'm sure he already had more then that from people over at gr.org alone.

Perhaps they should just do it fair all together, that basically means only invite Idra from NA and some of the top guys from EU and rest koreans. Then you have the real top 50.
If you think you're good, you suck. If you think you suck, you're getting better.
Backpack
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1776 Posts
March 22 2011 18:58 GMT
#99
On March 23 2011 03:56 SirDuke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 23 2011 03:53 avilo wrote:
On March 23 2011 03:49 SiN] wrote:
dem 500 DIEHARD FANS
...turn out to not care at all

The votes don't even mean anything. Avilo, you can't even be in the league yet because you don't have a team. This shit was pretty obvious, and you still manage to complain about it and look dumb.


What the hell is your problem? What is with this random bashing, look at wtf is posted and going on. If you were in the same situation I would support you because it's absolute bullshit that they told me I am being removed from consideration and accusing me of cheating/hacking their polls.

Like jesus christ, they say the poll doesn't matter, but then they go and tell me they are removing me from all consideration and that I am a hacker/cheater?


Xeris already said you weren't in the first 50 anyways and the only reason you were on the standby was because of 23k fradulant votes. so what are u tryin to accomplish by saying u know you had a few hundred votes? it wouldn't matter anyways.


Exactly.

Xeris has made his statement and no amount of whining or arguing will change it. Now is the time to drop it before you dig yourself into a deeper hole.
"You people need to just generally care a lot less about everything." -Zatic
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
March 22 2011 18:58 GMT
#100
On March 23 2011 03:56 imbs wrote:
im confused by avilos attidude to them backtracking on their accusations. would you rather they didnt backtrack? whilst it was obviously a bad call to make accusations with so little evidence, it wasnt an unreasonable mistake to make.


It's obvious that they have to backtrack, because the mocking tone Xeris has shown me in emails/PMs is pretty disgusting, and he knew he accused me of hacking/cheating and that he had told me via email/PM that they were removing me from consideration because "I cheated" and they cannot on "good conscience" sacrifice the "legitimacy" of the tournament by letting me be on the backup list because their userpoll people said I cheated.

So he made this thread b4 I made it myself essentially.
Sup
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 11 12 13 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Patches Events
22:00
Patch Clash S1: Bonus Cup #1
Liquipedia
FEL
18:00
ScienceCraft - Day 1
RotterdaM665
IndyStarCraft 367
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
RotterdaM 665
IndyStarCraft 367
Classic 22
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 58835
Shuttle 1863
Bisu 1830
Hyuk 953
BeSt 844
EffOrt 704
firebathero 395
Stork 380
Mini 228
Hyun 216
[ Show more ]
ggaemo 195
Rush 173
Last 151
Barracks 112
hero 90
Shinee 73
Pusan 64
Mong 52
Sexy 34
ToSsGirL 33
Sacsri 23
zelot 21
Aegong 20
Bishop 17
yabsab 14
Free 13
Rock 12
Noble 11
Icarus 3
Dota 2
Gorgc17108
syndereN110
Counter-Strike
fl0m3348
Heroes of the Storm
Lowko344
Other Games
singsing2124
B2W.Neo1319
Beastyqt523
crisheroes329
DeMusliM212
Pyrionflax208
KnowMe30
BRAT_OK 29
MindelVK3
Organizations
Counter-Strike
PGL36801
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 7
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH231
• Hinosc 11
• Adnapsc2 3
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3267
League of Legends
• Nemesis3009
Upcoming Events
AI Arena Tournament
3h 27m
FEL
20h 27m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
20h 27m
Replay Cast
1d 9h
WardiTV Weekly
1d 21h
IntoTheTV X SOOP
2 days
ByuN vs Lambo
MaxPax vs Bunny
PiGosaur Cup
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
Kung Fu Cup
3 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
4 days
SHIN vs GuMiho
Clem vs Classic
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
Epic.LAN
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Epic.LAN
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Acropolis #5 - GSC
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
BSL Season 23
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

IPSL Winter 2026-27
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.