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Candide
456 Posts
Can you fill us in on what your achievements are that are better than the elitist BW background players compared to the other people who are probably being considered? Maybe you have better achievements in SC2 then Nada? Idk. I actually have never seen you win a tournament, not that I have so I can't say much, but your argument lacks some stuff. | ||
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Torumfroll
290 Posts
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Slardar
Canada7593 Posts
On March 23 2011 03:35 whatthefat wrote: To be fair to Avilo, your wording is clearly accusatory in the PMs. You said You used the same account but changed IP's every time, which was pretty funny. Even in the email, you strongly insinuate that he is the culprit. I'm glad the illegitimate votes have been removed and that the matter is now clarified, but reading this, Avilo has a right to be upset. Pm's are THEN, NOW is the final ruling which is what he posted, which obviously overrules whatever has been said before. | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On March 23 2011 03:43 Random44 wrote: Avilo was well know for exploiting bugs in Red Alert 3, claiming that if EA hadn't fixed them then they were legit, even though EA was notoriously slow in fixing things. So him doing something like this doesn't come as a surprise  I've never "exploited" anything in any game random troll. Don't try to de-rail this with stupid arguments about "scvs moving to a mineral patch stacking themselves is an exploit." On March 23 2011 03:43 Deadlyfish wrote: Am i missing something? Why are people being so disrespectful towards Avilo? I'm sure it was just a misunderstanding and everything, but even in this thread people are calling his stream crappy and laughing about how only 43 people actually voted for him. The guy didnt do anything wrong as far as i understand? I am just a little confused. I guess it's just people being idiots or whatever? Random people bandwagon on pointless internet hate because it makes them feel special. I haven't done anything wrong indeed. | ||
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GriNn
United States243 Posts
On March 23 2011 03:37 avilo wrote: Thank you for having common sense of why I am upset. These awesome NASL people, apparently from what Xeris has emailed me and told me, I have been deemed a hacker/cheater by the NASL and was completely removed from consideration due to fucking trolls on the internet that are out of my control. And when I am PMing/Emailing with no responses, no contact with the owners, you can see why I have a right to get upset. Jesus christ, man. Your claims are ridiculous. There is no evidence that you got these supposed "500+" votes, and now you're accusing the NASL of unprofessionalism and you're judging one fucking line that they said to you as the whole of what the NASL thinks in this situation, even though they just made a whole goddamn thread to clarify their standing. Bottom line is they removed you because the large majority of your votes were illegitimate, get over it. | ||
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Z-R0E
United States147 Posts
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SiN]
United States540 Posts
...turn out to not care at all The votes don't even mean anything. Avilo, you can't even be in the league yet because you don't have a team. This shit was pretty obvious, and you still manage to complain about it and look dumb. | ||
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Sky0
United States214 Posts
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TheAura
96 Posts
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On March 23 2011 03:47 grinTOR wrote: Jesus christ, man. Your claims are ridiculous. There is no evidence that you got these supposed "500+" votes, and now you're accusing the NASL of unprofessionalism and you're judging one fucking line that they said to you as the whole of what the NASL thinks in this situation, even though they just made a whole goddamn thread to clarify their standing. Bottom line is they removed you because the large majority of your votes were illegitimate, get over it. Well, if you would read, they have indeed accused me of hacking/cheating a poll that doesn't matter, as well as said via email that they are removing me from consideration period from the NASL because they are saying i hacked/cheated the polls. Bottom line is they have told me they removed me because I cheated, when I certainly have not hacked/cheated anything. They can backtrack all they want now though. | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
I was wondering myself who was voting for avilo so greatly that even players like Liquid players were not getting top notch, and just attributed it to having idra and artosis vying for him, but guess that isn't the case after all. | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On March 23 2011 03:47 Torumfroll wrote: All I can say is that you NASL guys should have chosen your words more wisely when talking with avilo. The first few PMs does have an accusing tone and I can understand avilo being upset about being called a cheater/hacker. People shouldn't get caught up in the details. People will try to focus on the negatives and claim that is the damning piece of evidence. It doesn't matter. Should NASL remain professional at all times? Yes, but they're also human and Xeris is not a robot or a man with a fleet of secretaries responding to every email or phone call. I would have a hard time reacting to Avilo in Xeris' shoes. How long do you have to spend on somebody that, quite frankly, doesn't matter? A response of, "There is no way you're getting invited to the NASL unless 50 people die." would have been very rude, but also accurate. | ||
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.Aar
Korea (South)2177 Posts
On March 23 2011 03:40 Termit wrote: The funny thing is, where would the votes come from if not from himself? Okey if he would be some crazy superstar of a player or some famous streamer but the guy has like 10 viewers on his crappy stream on a daily basis... so yeah the legit votes he have right now is probably from his family and friends. xD The way I see it, someone figured out how to screw with the voting system, went on teamliquid.net, found avilo's name whether through a post or his stream, and thought it'd be funny to fuck with everyone by voting him to the top of the list. Avilo isn't a notable enough player for him to be very high up on the list anyway; I don't understand what all this bitching is about. He had his twenty seconds of fame, and it's time to laugh it off and go on with life. On March 23 2011 03:31 flodeskum wrote: Giving avilo's votes to artosis would be most reasonable thing to do. By far the most reasonable idea presented in this thread. | ||
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whatthefat
United States918 Posts
On March 23 2011 03:47 Slardar wrote: Pm's are THEN, NOW is the final ruling which is what he posted, which obviously overrules whatever has been said before. That doesn't make the past irrelevant. In the real world, unprofessional correspondence isn't usually erased by a quick "oh by the way, I meant something completely different to what I said". | ||
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On March 23 2011 03:49 SiN] wrote: dem 500 DIEHARD FANS ...turn out to not care at all The votes don't even mean anything. Avilo, you can't even be in the league yet because you don't have a team. This shit was pretty obvious, and you still manage to complain about it and look dumb. What the hell is your problem? What is with this random bashing, look at wtf is posted and going on. If you were in the same situation I would support you because it's absolute bullshit that they told me I am being removed from consideration and accusing me of cheating/hacking their polls. Like jesus christ, they say the poll doesn't matter, but then they go and tell me they are removing me from all consideration and that I am a hacker/cheater? | ||
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
On March 23 2011 03:46 dsousa wrote: Either there are a series of conspiracies against Avilo..... or the kids a little bit of trouble maker. I just hope this isn't a sign that TOP KOREANS aren't on the list.... because if Avilo was ever considered, it would only be because he is from NA. He's exactly the type of talent we got in NA.... which is why NASL should have TOP KOREANs! Sucks to deal with this type of stuff though as an admin..... you know who is really manner? Top Koreans! :D <3 He's probably a bit better than some of the players who will be chosen, the tournament won't be better or worse without him or anything, but he doesn't have things like a BW pedigree making him a lock for an invite tourney. He's kind of the poster boy for those players who could potentially make qualifiers but never make invitationals | ||
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RyanRushia
United States2748 Posts
On March 23 2011 03:51 avilo wrote: Bottom line is they have told me they removed me because I cheated, when I certainly have not hacked/cheated anything. They can backtrack all they want now though. to quote Xeris from the OP: To clarify: We are not accusing Avilo of cheating. It could have been him rigging the votes on the poll, or it could have been someone else rigging the votes on the poll. Either way, all the fake votes were removed, and the remaining, legitimate votes are... 43. So, Avilo was not removed from the poll, but his fake votes were. to quote Xeris a 2nd time from the OP: Once again: we are not accusing him of cheating. There is NO WAY for us to know exactly who gave him 23,000 votes, but they were fraudulent votes. surely initially they did, or at least appeared to, but once the facts came out about your fraudulent votes it's clear something was incorrect | ||
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getSome[703]
United States753 Posts
On March 23 2011 03:21 Xeris wrote: To clarify: We are not accusing Avilo of cheating. PMs: "Ah, you were removed from the poll by uservoice. We investigated fraudulent voting and your votes were illegitimate. You used the same account but changed IP's every time, which was pretty funny. ". But, I can't really take you seriously anymore. He has every right to think he was accused of cheating. I think avilo is getting the short end of the stick here. And how can anyone believe he has only received 43 votes? He is definitely known well enough to draw more than that | ||
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RoboBob
United States798 Posts
"Ah, you were removed from the poll by uservoice. We investigated fraudulent voting and your votes were illegitimate. You used the same account but changed IP's every time, which was pretty funny. " And then try to argue that you're not accusing him of cheating. Wishing doesn't make it so. You can't even argue that statement as a typo.Seriously, you folks need a PR guy. The league hasn't started yet, and you've already made a series of rookie PR mistakes. I gotta give you guys credit for the transparency, but stuff like this makes your organization look very unprofessional. | ||
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