EPTjust read the opening thread.
it sounded like they were just clarifying how they fixed it.
if avilo had not freaked out, this would be over and no1 would care anymore
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soullogik
United States1171 Posts
just read the opening thread. it sounded like they were just clarifying how they fixed it. if avilo had not freaked out, this would be over and no1 would care anymore /thread | ||
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ilmman
364 Posts
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Earll
Norway847 Posts
On March 23 2011 04:26 avilo wrote: No matter what they try to show publicly here, they were indeed saying I cheated the polls, and that I would be removed from consideration of the standby list, or tournament or whatever because I apparently cheated their polls and they cannot trust me because their magical uservoice system tells the truth. ... There was ONE PM, even just ONE word , in that PM, sent from ONE guy, that accused you of cheating, and it was taken back LONG before this thread was made, The fact that you even bring it up after they said they are not accusing you is just sad for you and it honestly makes it look like you are trolling, basically trying to act like up to get some bad publicity for NASL because they are not letting you in to the league. .Whether or not you are trolling I don't know. The reason you are removed from the standby list is because after it turned out that you had 43 votes altogether, you no longer had perceived skill, following, or accomplishments to make it into the NASL. Lets assume you only got 43 votes total, do you really think you would still be their standby? If you do so let me tell you the truth, no you would not, and that is the reason why you are no longer their standby. The most ridiculous part of this entire thread though is probably how you seem to actually think that the NASL has some sort of personal grudge against you or are trying to keep you out of the league or something. The only reason you are at all an issue here is because someone , possibly you, possibly someone else, possibly me, gave you 23k votes. (PLEASE TAKE NOTE OF THIS, I AM NOT ACCUSING YOU OF TROLLING, I AM JUST SAYING IT LOOKS LIKE IT. Do not start threads or pm wars against me for my horrible nonexisting accusations please.) On March 23 2011 04:20 Xeris wrote: Avilo, I'm sorry my first pm came off as accusatory. I clarified my position. Again, we're not accusing you. I'm really sorry that you feel this way. There, hopefully this thread will be closed soon so my head wont explode from reading more avilo posts. | ||
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RaFeStaR
United States161 Posts
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ilmman
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urashimakt
United States1591 Posts
On March 23 2011 04:34 Offhand wrote: Read Xeris' messages. "What I said was that you used the same account for your votes, whether it was you specifically or someone doing it for you, I don't know, I guess there's really no way to tell if it was you or someone trolling you. Either way, almost all of the votes to your name weren't legitimate. " You misread that. He wasn't saying Avilo used the account he used for doing his own voting to do this mass voting. He was clarifying that he had said earlier he had used one account for all the mass voting and he meant that either he had done it or someone else had. I don't blame you, it's a strangely worded sentence and out of context I'd read it like that too. But it's an important distinction, I think. | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
 . Yet another rookie PR mistake. Xeris is trying so hard not to lose power over this situation but come on dude. Just own up to the fact that you did infact accuse him. Its written in the text that YOU provided for christ sake. You continuing to deny the accusation just makes you look worse man. | ||
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Finrod1
Germany3997 Posts
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teamsolid
Canada3668 Posts
On March 23 2011 04:26 Ipp wrote: First and foremost. I wish there was a post explaining other motives about "fraudulent" votes as many people don't know the entire "AtheneWins" Conspiracy. If I was reading this without knowledge of other stories, I would take it as you accusing him; just because of your tone. Additionally in your first message you directly accused him, so I can see him being angry. Your motivation by putting this story out there was wrong as well; just because he is hassling you doesn't give you any rights to slander him and judging from his response you did this without his knowledge. PM's are private messages for a reason, respect that. I'm sure there are more emails and Avilo is taking the moral path by not posting them. All that being said. You made the right decision fraudulent votes have to be removed; however you are dealing with a global user base which makes detecting proxies even harder then normal as localization is thrown out the window. The correct way to silence him would be giving him what he claimed he should have ~500 votes and an apology for the inconvenience. The voting doesn't matter nor would 500 votes put him anywhere near the top of the poll, so I don't understand why you took this path. Players and organizers need to respect each other. It's not NASL that claimed he had 43 votes, it's uservoice that said he only had 43 legitimate votes. If avilo has any issue with that number, he needs to sort it out with hem. What proof does he have for having 500 votes? As Xeris states, avilo is STILL in the polls. Go look it up yourself, currently at 45 votes. He has only been removed from the standby list, as the only reason he was on the list in the first place was due to his votes. Also, avilo has fans? lol | ||
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Squirrel
United States1097 Posts
On March 23 2011 04:39 RaFeStaR wrote: Afaik avilo > incontrol in terms of tourney placings (even if online). Yet a much, much larger following. | ||
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Jerb
United States21 Posts
I hope Xeris and the NASL team keeps this kind of open communication going. | ||
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Shifft
Canada1085 Posts
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McKTenor13
United States1383 Posts
They also didn't state that it was his user that did the 20k votes, they just said it was someone. There could be the best hacker/troll out there who fucking hates avilo that did this. Given from the response of this i wouldn't be surprised if that were the case. Its not about getting into the NASL, it's about his name, and now it's completely trashed. If he wants to join a tournament in the future, even if he becomes 10x better, everyone will know him for this. Avilo if you actually didn't do this, im sorry this shit happened to you. It's retarded.....and if you did, well fuck you. lol | ||
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On March 23 2011 04:41 Finrod1 wrote: What would be the scene without drama, eh? Avilo, your just not good enough and in the end that's all that matters. If you don't like it, get better. simple as that. I see the random internet hate bandwagon bashers are out in full force today. | ||
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RaFeStaR
United States161 Posts
That shouldn't matter at all. This isn't a fucking popularity contest, it's a tourney where WE, the fans, should get the best games possible. | ||
BroOd
Austin10833 Posts
You said in this thread you knew the votes were illegitimate, but you argued in that blog that they weren't and that: On February 24 2011 09:00 avilo wrote: There's absolutely nothing wrong with me getting a lot of votes. Why would there be? It sucks they accused you of cheating with no real evidence, but the way you trudge around with this persecution complex while simultaneously doing the things you complain about makes it really hard to sympathize with you. | ||
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Bobster
Germany3075 Posts
On March 23 2011 04:23 Charger wrote: Exactly.Unless I'm missing something, I don't think he is being 'punished' at all by anyone. All they did was throw out the fraudulent votes and then reevaluated Avilo from there. Obviously his huge number of votes on the site was a main reason he was still being considered so it makes sense that they are no longer considering him for a spot since the reevaluated Avilo with the correct number of votes doesn't come close enough to the requirements the NASL has set up. Don't see a way how anyone would be unhappy with this decision. Now go ahead and start announcing the actual players of the NASL, guys! :D | ||
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bLuR
Canada625 Posts
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Squirrel
United States1097 Posts
On March 23 2011 04:44 RaFeStaR wrote: That shouldn't matter at all. This isn't a fucking popularity contest, it's a tourney where WE, the fans, should get the best games possible. But what is the best game every played if no one wants to watch it? | ||
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On March 23 2011 04:35 Jakalo wrote: If you have read his post instead of insulting avilo any way you can since the start of this thread you would notice he hasnt accepted Xeris apology, I wouldnt either because he is not apologizing at all, he is just ''sorry'' that it sounded accusatory and ''sorry'' that he feels that way. When you apologize you admit you were wrong, Xeris didnt. While his PMs certainly sound purposefuly insulting. lol? He's not accepting Xeris' apology because he's a bitter individual whose only driving force now is to insult the NASL as long as possible. Xeris' admitted he was wrong by the fact that he changed his wording in every PM after the one where the accusation was made. He didn't continue to accuse Avilo of cheating the system beyond that one time, which very well could have just been poor word choice, after that he clearly made a very overt attempt at avoiding that. | ||
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