[NASL] All about Avilo - Page 9

On March 23 2011 04:07 Liquid`Tyler wrote:

I don't understand how anyone could think this is a good way to look at it at all.

It's a fact that the votes were rigged. No one is disputing it. The number might be in dispute, but that's not important. It's not in dispute that at least about 18,000 votes were rigged.

Is there any evidence that avilo is responsible for the rigged votes? Absolutely not.

That's all you've got is motive. But then there are alternate explanations, like this whole "let's spell Athene on the front page" thing and haters of avilo who just want to screw with him by giving him fraudulent votes (he has gathered plenty of haters just because of his passionate posts on teamliquid.net). And you've got avilo saying he didn't do it.

Now look up again at what I quoted at the start of this post. It doesn't make sense to say "it's avilo's word against uservoice's evidence that votes were rigged."

That's all you can say is "We've determined that votes were rigged. We've got an accurate vote count now. We'll work from there. We were unable to obtain any leads or evidence that might point us toward the culprit so unfortunately we won't be pursuing it or taking any actions against anyone."

In my opinion, Xeris/NASL should apologize to avilo and NASL absolutely should not penalize him in any way.

On March 23 2011 04:19 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
It's ridiculous when they have no evidence at all.

On March 23 2011 04:23 Offhand wrote:


I don't know why this hasn't been mentioned yet, but the fraudulent votes all went through one account, the same one Avilo used to do his own voting. This doesn't automatically make him guilty but it does seem more like Avilo or someone close to him was responsible for the actual fraud votes.

On March 23 2011 04:20 Xeris wrote:
Avilo, I'm sorry my first pm came off as accusatory. I clarified my position. Again, we're not accusing you. I'm really sorry that you feel this way.

On March 23 2011 04:22 Earll wrote:



Did you read the OP? They are Not taking action against him or penalizing him because they think he rigged the votes or because his votes were rigged, they are removing him from the waitlist because his perceived popularity of 23k turned out to be closer to 43, even if the votes\popularity count marginally(as they should in my opinion, if they did not then we would not see artosis in this league as he has pretty limited amount of SC2 acomplishments. Though I am pretty sure we will see artosis because he is awesome and will win NASL now that he can spend less time casting code A and more time pwning noobs.) , they do count for something.

So they are ignoring the fact that someone trolled the votes, and looking at it as if he has the votes that he actually has, which is 43, and which sadly , putting together all of avilos accomplishments and perceived player skill, is not good enough to be in the NASL or to be the standby player. Are you suggesting that they should keep him as a standby simply because someone trolled his poll?

And there is no way avilo deserves any more of an apology than this thread is after the posts he has made about xeris/NASL etc.

On March 23 2011 04:07 Liquid`Tyler wrote:

I don't understand how anyone could think this is a good way to look at it at all.

It's a fact that the votes were rigged. No one is disputing it. The number might be in dispute, but that's not important. It's not in dispute that at least about 18,000 votes were rigged.

Is there any evidence that avilo is responsible for the rigged votes? Absolutely not.

That's all you've got is motive. But then there are alternate explanations, like this whole "let's spell Athene on the front page" thing and haters of avilo who just want to screw with him by giving him fraudulent votes (he has gathered plenty of haters just because of his passionate posts on teamliquid.net). And you've got avilo saying he didn't do it.

Now look up again at what I quoted at the start of this post. It doesn't make sense to say "it's avilo's word against uservoice's evidence that votes were rigged."

That's all you can say is "We've determined that votes were rigged. We've got an accurate vote count now. We'll work from there. We were unable to obtain any leads or evidence that might point us toward the culprit so unfortunately we won't be pursuing it or taking any actions against anyone."

In my opinion, Xeris/NASL should apologize to avilo and NASL absolutely should not penalize him in any way.

On March 23 2011 04:22 sanch wrote:
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this was posted by shana in another thread just thought i'd leave this here

On March 23 2011 04:25 avilo wrote:


You obviously did accuse me, and said that the owners decided to remove me from consideration of being in this tournament and/or the standby list. You told me this via email. And I continually have tried to contact you or the owners to tell you that I never have hacked or cheated these friggin polls, let alone done any of that in my past 10 years of gaming and so you guys started to just ignore me, and dust the issue under the rug. Thanks.

On March 23 2011 03:21 Xeris wrote:
To clarify. Avilo was on a standby list (not one of the 50 players), in case some people didn't get their deposits on time or dropped out for whatever reason. The entire reason for him being on that list was his position in the poll. Since all his votes were illegal, we removed him from our standby list. This has less to do with the fact that his votes were illegal than it does the fact that he only has a small number of legitimate votes, so the entire reason for him being on our standby list is now null and void.

Once again: we are not accusing him of cheating. There is NO WAY for us to know exactly who gave him 23,000 votes, but they were fraudulent votes.

This is the last thing we will say on the matter, and we believe that our decision was fair and correct.