EPTThey just mean the voting isn't the end-all. If someone is really popular, ofc they'll look at him a little more. But being popular doesn't = you're in guaranteed.
[NASL] All about Avilo - Page 7
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ThaZenith
Canada3116 Posts
They just mean the voting isn't the end-all. If someone is really popular, ofc they'll look at him a little more. But being popular doesn't = you're in guaranteed. | ||
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vojnik
Macedonia923 Posts
On March 23 2011 04:02 avilo wrote: Hey dude. I'm screwed if i do, and if i don't. If i don't speak up, then these guys just walk all over me and say i'm a cheater and barr me from their league. IF I do, then people are going to give me flak for defending myself, etc. prove everyone wrong and win some tourneys... | ||
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TheBruky
Czech Republic29 Posts
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Roggay
Switzerland6320 Posts
On March 23 2011 04:02 Chylo wrote: Amazing all the "tolerant" members of TL go crazy on Avilo for something 1) He is accused of doing and mocked 2) He didn't do 3) Bashed by community You guys are crazy. I wasn't a fan of avilo before this but now I think I will be. Going for it without a team and everyone bashing him constantly, good for him. Keep in mind that he has an history of bad posting and bad/arrogant manners on TL (atleast everytime I saw him). Not that Xeris was totally right to do what he did, but well, the whole thing doesnt really deserve all the Drama, he wouldn't have get in with his votes anyway. | ||
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Offhand
United States1869 Posts
On March 23 2011 04:02 Chylo wrote: Amazing all the "tolerant" members of TL go crazy on Avilo for something 1) He is accused of doing and mocked 2) He didn't do 3) Bashed by community You guys are crazy. I wasn't a fan of avilo before this but now I think I will be. Going for it without a team and everyone bashing him constantly, good for him. Well he's just being a crybaby about it. The internet isn't going let that one go. Summary of the story so far: - NASL spotted and erased an exploit in their voting system. - This change some minor bureaucracy thing behind the seens, knocking Avilo off the waitlist. - Xeris makes a post stating their position - Avilo, um, "endears" himself to the TL community even further - Life (and NASL) continues as normal | ||
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SiN]
United States540 Posts
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urashimakt
United States1591 Posts
On March 23 2011 04:05 GreEny K wrote: Dude... Get over it. Someone (or you) cheated to try to get you mass votes and that is not acceptable, therefore, you were removed. Why does this not make sense to you? From the looks of the PM's and E-mails, Xeris never accused you of cheating directly either. There's most definitely an accusation in the very first PM, which was later clarified. What that means and what kind of response it warrants is up for interpretation. | ||
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Slardar
Canada7593 Posts
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SirDuke
United States239 Posts
On March 23 2011 04:01 avilo wrote: Why the hell do you think I ever thought a lot of the votes were legitamate? Everyone knows their polls were trolled/hacked, and whenever some random person on bnet msg'd me about it, I'd always jsut tell them that a couple thousand votes might be legit, but the rest of the poll got trolled by someone, and it's out of my control. Seriously, stop bashing me, I would want the NASL to have nothing but success like most people, but I doubt they will have as much as they want if they do stupid shit like this and have to backtrack over everything they do because they don't know wtf they are doing. this actually made me lol I mean no disrespect toward you avilo but it sounds to me like you cant be an adult and accept the fact that you didn't make it in because you weren't actually voted in. I mean maybe having 23k+ votes got ur hopes up (i know it would get mine up) but srsly, Xeris did have some faulty wording in that first pm but he did come back and rephrase and yet thats all you are clinging to. Xeris said more then once that they don't know if it was you who rigged the votes or not( b/c there is no way to know) and that they don't accuse you of cheating. imo if you were professional and as "top" a player as you think then you would just go win the offline qualifier and show everyone up. amirite? | ||
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1Lamb1Rice
United States435 Posts
On March 23 2011 04:08 vojnik wrote: prove everyone wrong and win some tourneys... Uh how is that proving people wrong? It is certainly within his right to defend himself, right or wrong. Not like he has to win a tournament to prove he was right. That's some flawed logic. | ||
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TheAura
96 Posts
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Jakalo
Latvia2350 Posts
On March 23 2011 04:00 iCCup.Diamond wrote: Very good question. Also Avilo, if you read the thread you will see they say they don't know who cheated the system, but when the frauds were out, you had only 43 left, so the reason you were picked was not the case anymore. Seems pretty cut and dry to me. Is avilo saying he should be picked? He is just upset his word being smeared by a very well know person with circumstantial evidence only (at best). Now i dont know who and why didi it, but if i would have to decide I would not value anyones intelligence so low to rack up vote count so obviously fake. Did avilo assume it was clearly a fraud number of votes and decided to not to bother contacting admins or indeed was willing to take advantage from it we will never know, the fact is that is not his PROBLEM, thats voting sites/admin/w.e. problem. Seems pretty cut and dry to me. | ||
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DuFFmAn69
United States78 Posts
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legatus legionis
Netherlands559 Posts
Especially on the communication things, it's well said. | ||
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Jarmam
Denmark140 Posts
On March 23 2011 04:07 Liquid`Tyler wrote: In my opinion, Xeris/NASL should apologize to avilo and NASL absolutely should not penalize him in any way. Isnt that *exactly* what they're saying in this thread that they're NOT doing (penalizing him)? They can go ahead and apologize all they want - whether it's justified or not its still a good display of professionalism - but I do not get the penalized thing. At all. | ||
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JinDesu
United States3990 Posts
On March 23 2011 04:07 Liquid`Tyler wrote: I don't understand how anyone could think this is a good way to look at it at all. It's a fact that the votes were rigged. No one is disputing it. The number might be in dispute, but that's not important. It's not in dispute that at least about 18,000 votes were rigged. Is there any evidence that avilo is responsible for the rigged votes? Absolutely not. That's all you've got is motive. But then there are alternate explanations, like this whole "let's spell Athene on the front page" thing and haters of avilo who just want to screw with him by giving him fraudulent votes (he has gathered plenty of haters just because of his passionate posts on teamliquid.net). And you've got avilo saying he didn't do it. Now look up again at what I quoted at the start of this post. It doesn't make sense to say "it's avilo's word against uservoice's evidence that votes were rigged." In my opinion, Xeris/NASL should apologize to avilo and NASL absolutely should not penalize him in any way. I'm not sure about "penalize". If upon the removal of the false votes, Avilo had only 43 votes, the number of votes matter in your placement in the backup list, then it would be appropriate to take him off the list. So then I guess the key point is whether or not the backup list has a requirement of votes. | ||
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Tyree
1508 Posts
In my opinion, Xeris/NASL should apologize to avilo and NASL absolutely should not penalize him in any way. I agree with Tyler, it seems like people have lost their minds in this topic and are hell bent on hating on some guy most of us barely even know. He isent complaining that he wont get in NASL, he is complaining (rightfully so) that he was accused of being the cheater There is no proof that Avilo did any of this There is proof that he was accused of cheating People love freaking drama, and why not jump on this horse and hate on someone, but entertainment aside: Look at this logically and half the people in this thread are trashing this guy. Let me remind you, he did not even make this topic, he didnt even bring this up, yet now he is getting scorned from people asking him if he thinks he is "good enough" to be in the tournament when that was never the reason why he was upset. Put the "lulz trollin'" aside, and realise why he being unfairly treated here. | ||
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
On March 23 2011 04:09 lambnrice wrote: Uh how is that proving people wrong? It is certainly within his right to defend himself, right or wrong. Not like he has to win a tournament to prove he was right. That's some flawed logic. The point is people will always forgive and forget if he moves on and becomes a success. Look at past cheaters (who were actually PROVEN to have cheated): TT1, Dimaga, Haypro, etc. Everyone got over it because they got over it first. Avilo isn't even in as bad of a position as those guys and if he just moves on and becomes an awesome players, the community will be with him. There really isn't much else he can do anyways. | ||
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
On March 23 2011 04:02 avilo wrote: Hey dude. I'm screwed if i do, and if i don't. If i don't speak up, then these guys just walk all over me and say i'm a cheater and barr me from their league. IF I do, then people are going to give me flak for defending myself, etc. Wow... it's like you honestly don't know how to act with kindness and decency. If you were persistent in saying that you had nothing to do with the votes, and did not know who was doing it... I think that would have been enough and they would have let it go (after removing the votes). Instead, you seemed to focus on how unfair the whole situation was for you and how unprofessional they are... do you really not see the difference? It's not a lose-lose situation. You can speak up without trying to insult them and complain the whole way through. I think you didn't because you felt the votes were your one way of hanging on as an opportunity to get in so you tried to be as persistent as possible. I might be wrong on that part, but saying you were screwed either way is a joke. | ||
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Schmieds
United States312 Posts
On March 23 2011 03:58 Technique wrote: And players like incontrol can? :D I mean i'm sure he will get invited and every1 knows he has 0 achievements in sc2. Also 43 votes on avilo seems low to me, since i'm sure he already had more then that from people over at gr.org alone. Perhaps they should just do it fair all together, that basically means only invite Idra from NA and some of the top guys from EU and rest koreans. Then you have the real top 50. I agree on all of your points. I also think Avilo is being a little rude, but I bet a lot of people would be in his situation. | ||
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