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On March 13 2011 02:23 LangJaiQQ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 00:13 acidfreak wrote:On March 12 2011 22:45 andrewwiggin wrote: wow. gotta love the 1st perspective cam features. Blizzard did good with that.
.. AND why haven't they banned him yet.. ??????
hate nub hackers. Any decent SC2 maphack has a feature to lock camera view on replays while you look at the enemy base. Seems like someone knows a bit too much about maphack...
This one has been discussed at various hacking threads. Dont be too hasty to vawe your mighty opinion.
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The funny thing is that Sorcery was a very well respected players in the dota community and on a top level NA dota team before he got caught. I'm glad he got caught so fast.
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Whats really lame is that someone like this can even get to the top with non-existent mechanical skills. Thats the real difference here with BW... a hacker would never get anywhere near top of ICCUP.
User was warned for this post
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http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/402518/1/Sorcery/
Here's his account. All that time he put in and I hope it all gets wiped and banned. Sure he can buy a new game for 60$ but at least he'll have nothing to show for his time. I really wonder what this guy's goal is in life. That's not even meant to be insulting, I just really wonder.
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If what he says is true regarding the Sorcery account, it probably won't be banned. You can safely assume IGware will be gone soon though, unless it's a private hack that usually don't get detected for a long time, if ever. (Think back to the private pay-to-use WC3 hacks that ruined the game and were never detected)
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Thanks for all the detective work, folks. I hope they catch Blizzard's attention.
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On March 13 2011 02:43 infinity2k9 wrote: Whats really lame is that someone like this can even get to the top with non-existent mechanical skills. Thats the real difference here with BW... a hacker would never get anywhere near top of ICCUP. Wait what? I totally disagree with that.
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checking out his account is worth the time....that match history cracks me up....he got a bit greedy i'd say
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On March 13 2011 02:51 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 02:43 infinity2k9 wrote: Whats really lame is that someone like this can even get to the top with non-existent mechanical skills. Thats the real difference here with BW... a hacker would never get anywhere near top of ICCUP. Wait what? I totally disagree with that. How can you disagree it's just plainly a fact. When hackers in BW were exposed even with modified maps it came out some people still managed to beat them. No ones ever hacked themselves to anywhere near the top of the ladder, because you get to a point where mechanical monsters just beat you on multitasking alone.
You think a 60 apm guy has any chance of beating Ret in BW with the aid of a maphack?
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On March 13 2011 02:51 sylverfyre wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 02:43 infinity2k9 wrote: Whats really lame is that someone like this can even get to the top with non-existent mechanical skills. Thats the real difference here with BW... a hacker would never get anywhere near top of ICCUP. Wait what? I totally disagree with that. Nope. In Brood War, even with hacks, if you don't have the 300+ APM to macro at the mid game, you're still vulnerable to stupid strats like mass arbiterssss just because your opponent is that much better than you.
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On March 13 2011 02:52 smacky wrote: checking out his account is worth the time....that match history cracks me up....he got a bit greedy i'd say
It's hilarious and I'm honestly smiling inside.
To know that multiple times, I've searched a 4v4 RT alone, got matched with 3 RANDOM players and beat a CHEESE team consisted of Sorcery, Sublime + 2 other probable cheesers on his friends list and BEAT them... really makes me laugh.
Apparently he's young I believe. Maybe just getting out of High school so some immaturity is a good guess here.
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On March 13 2011 02:11 DomiNater wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 00:25 MangoTango wrote: 215-13 in 2v2 is insane. I'm pretty sure there's something fishy going on with the igware-sorcery team. Not even a 2v2 team with MC and MVP would have a 95% win rate. The OP has a 2v2 team with a pretty high win rate of 85%. http://sc2ranks.com/team/4836785 You can find him on several teams together with the accused hackers, so he teams up with them and now he is accusing them, i wouldn't be surprised if he turns out just as guilty as well...
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I can vouch for Protech and say he does not hack. I've played vs him countless times in ladder and it always goes either way 50/50 (you might like to argue otherwise Mike :O.. ok maybe a little more than 50/50). Regardless, his 85% win team is not a hacking team. They have solid strats, some abusive (like every other 2v2 strat) and good scouting/game sense/micro/macro which is everything you need to be a top team player. I too have played with Sorcery for quite a few games (haven't recently) and haven't played with him since these hacking accusations have gone around. It wasn't clear or hard to tell he was hacking at the point I played with him. He himself said he got the hack later on closer to when he started to mass 1v1s (I stopped playing with him before that). Protech has removed him from his friend's list and will never play with him again. I'll be doing the same.
Josh pretty disappointing man. I was listening to all these accusations long before this post and trying to give you the benefit of the doubt for awhile but then I realized through replays + just common sense that you were hacking. Why would you do it? Sure you did it on iGware's account but YOUR name is the one that's gonna get tarnished because of how many people knew you played on his account. You would have been better off making a new account and not telling anyone it was you (but then you wouldn't get all the recognition + fame that you wanted? I don't get it). Even though your Sorcery account won't get banned (may be a possibility) people won't respect your stats whatsoever because they know that you have/do use a maphack and some people will just blindly look at it and say its impossible to have a win % like that without hacking.
I can't remember did he say he would stop hacking in his confession post? Not that it really matters..
Just sad to get to know you, talk to you and play some games with you while trying to help you out when you needed it and then you lie/cheat/hack behind our backs.
I dunno I don't think I'll be seeing you online for awhile as this will probably make you quit the game for awhile or make some new smurf. Sad.
@ Peter, sucks you defended him so much. I waited to make any accusations myself directly to him however I wasn't gonna try and defend him. However it was kinda painful to see you defend him when I knew there was a good chance he was hacking. I laughed when it was said like "he's not too good with these technical things" (ie. setting up a stream) however he told me at one point he self built his own computer. Does not compute.
Just shows you can't trust anyone online (but since when is that new)
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On March 13 2011 03:08 Shameless wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 02:11 DomiNater wrote:On March 13 2011 00:25 MangoTango wrote: 215-13 in 2v2 is insane. I'm pretty sure there's something fishy going on with the igware-sorcery team. Not even a 2v2 team with MC and MVP would have a 95% win rate. The OP has a 2v2 team with a pretty high win rate of 85%. http://sc2ranks.com/team/4836785 You can find him on several teams together with the accused hackers, so he teams up with them and now he is accusing them, i wouldn't be surprised if he turns out just as guilty as well...
Many of the top level 2v2 teams have a high ratio because they use abusive strats which require perfect execution to defend. I've played vs Protech several times, he doesn't hack.
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On March 12 2011 21:22 Ftrunkz wrote:holy crap, just by maphacking some 60apm jobber got #1 that quick on US ladder? And in all reality all the evidence against him (bar the fact that his mechanics was horrible and he made absolutely no attempt to scout ever) was pretty much completely dismissable because of his ridiculous hacks like that 'camara hider'? Am i the only one scared for the sc2 competitions online right now? I mean, there's plenty of 'unknowns' out there (look at the TSL) that are springing up out of nowhere, and even top players are by no means above hacking (just look at broodwars 'top players' hacking history)... Really makes me question the credibility of ANYTHING not done in a LAN setting :\. I mean honestly, if this clown had decent apm (>150 sc2gears apm) and had been around at least somewhat before exploding to #1 (say had a few online tournament placings here and there) and slowly worked his way up week by week instead of just insta #1'ing it and having ridiculous 90% winrates in 2v2's, who would've really suspected him? This is actually really depressing for me personally, I didn't realize sc2 hacks had got this serious already 
Dont worry mate, when the GSL maps are introduced to the map selection on theladder, these clowns wont be able to follow the great players. Just like in Brood War, they`ll die in the mid game because they just dont have the skills. I won countless of matches against hackers on ICCup, it was hilarious. Even when i played WC3 i`d beat them. Hopefully, the map change will crush them.
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looking at the team stats its pretty obvious who is cheating, unless sorcery is some sort of team sc2 savant
igware stats in all team games - 2215 wins, 646 losses - 77.4%, very good igware stats without sorcery - 1853 wins, 626 losses - 74.7% still great igware stats with sorcery - 362 wins, 20 losses - 94.7% gosu
and if you look at sorcery's stats hes incredible, 90% winrate over 4700 games
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PinkPrincess, I think they should just give you a few days of temporary ban as a formal response to what you said - "Go ahead and ban me if these guys actually turn out to be hackers" - but definitely not a permanent one since it doesn't look like you're a hacker yourself and you didn't behave badly in this thread.
However, I hope you've learned a lesson from this incident. Please don't blindly trust anyone and defend them in such passionate manner when so many people, including several pros are expressing suspicions. At least stay quiet and let them defend themselves with their own excuses.
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On March 13 2011 03:20 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 03:08 Shameless wrote:On March 13 2011 02:11 DomiNater wrote:On March 13 2011 00:25 MangoTango wrote: 215-13 in 2v2 is insane. I'm pretty sure there's something fishy going on with the igware-sorcery team. Not even a 2v2 team with MC and MVP would have a 95% win rate. The OP has a 2v2 team with a pretty high win rate of 85%. http://sc2ranks.com/team/4836785 You can find him on several teams together with the accused hackers, so he teams up with them and now he is accusing them, i wouldn't be surprised if he turns out just as guilty as well... Many of the top level 2v2 teams have a high ratio because they use abusive strats which require perfect execution to defend. I've played vs Protech several times, he doesn't hack. he has a 25-0 record teaming up with Sorcery and 22-3 in his 2v2 team together with igWare, i'm sure they used perfect executions and stuff but that still doesn't explain why he actually teamed up with them for a while.
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So...protech is on teams with the guys he is accusing? Wow this is like an episode of Jerry Springer.
Anyways, its cool that those 2 waterheads were exposed for cheating. Kinda sad that a company like blizzard, with their massive resources, can't stop hacking 100%.
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On March 13 2011 03:28 Shameless wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2011 03:20 skyR wrote:On March 13 2011 03:08 Shameless wrote:On March 13 2011 02:11 DomiNater wrote:On March 13 2011 00:25 MangoTango wrote: 215-13 in 2v2 is insane. I'm pretty sure there's something fishy going on with the igware-sorcery team. Not even a 2v2 team with MC and MVP would have a 95% win rate. The OP has a 2v2 team with a pretty high win rate of 85%. http://sc2ranks.com/team/4836785 You can find him on several teams together with the accused hackers, so he teams up with them and now he is accusing them, i wouldn't be surprised if he turns out just as guilty as well... Many of the top level 2v2 teams have a high ratio because they use abusive strats which require perfect execution to defend. I've played vs Protech several times, he doesn't hack. he has a 25-0 record teaming up with Sorcery and 22-3 in his 2v2 team together with igWare, i'm sure they used perfect executions and stuff but that still doesn't explain why he actually teamed up with them for a while.
25-0 and 22-3 isn't very hard to get in 2v2. He teamed up with them because this was before he noticed Sorcery was using maphack. You can't fault him for playing games with him before any hack accusations came out. Once he noticed this and realized himself he was hacking, he stopped playing with him and removed him from his friends list.
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