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AeonStrife
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States918 Posts
March 12 2011 20:05 GMT
#341
I hope someone from Blizzard sees this, and understands whats happening. It saddens me to see hackers take wins dishonestly and climb to the top of the ranks. If its going to take this long to get these guys banned... How long you think its going to take other hackers that are playing it the same? I think Blizzard should be a step ahead of these bastards. Having the community report and wait for a wave of bans isn't enough. These losers are ruining the integrity of this game.
Whats worse...US Poltics or SC2 Balance Talks...
SkCom
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada229 Posts
March 12 2011 20:05 GMT
#342
On March 13 2011 05:02 cHaNg-sTa wrote:
I have zero sympathy for hacking. Even if you let someone hack on your account, you're also cheating. Get this crap off SC2, it just hurts e-sports. You're worse than steroids in baseball.


Actually, isn't account sharing against the Terms of Use? I know it is for WoW, which is now part of the same battle.net account. So Blizzard *could* potentially ban people for that. And yes, absolutely no respect for hackers. A quick ban and that's all - just like they banned the guys right after they posted. Gotta love the decisiveness of the TL mods sometimes, keeping our community as clean as possible.
v1dom
Profile Joined August 2010
159 Posts
March 12 2011 20:07 GMT
#343
I love the part where the guy tries to save his account by saying it was "pure."

Guess what asshole, the PLAYER hacks, not the account. Both accounts are sunk, and I'm fist pumping all the way seeing it happen.
elevengaming / 4Kings - retired
AlphaIIOmega
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada29 Posts
March 12 2011 20:09 GMT
#344
I haven't finished watching, but from game 1 he IS hacking.

Subtle points but --

First banshee he sends, he scouts no expansion. But then he doesn't push into the main? And he then scouts the expo 10 seconds later and snipes an SCV? To me, every single game I've played the terran will at least poke into the main w/ that banshee.

Second, he sends 20 marines to his opponents expansions late game with zero scout.

Third, just look at his map. HE NEVER EVER has units scouting. He's always either just attacking or just defending. He moves units into convenient positions at good times, but is smart enough to not pull SCVs before he physically sees the units.

There's no concrete proof, but I'd say he's hacking in game 1. No top 200 player in NA plays like him, with absolutely no active scouting.
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
March 12 2011 20:24 GMT
#345
On March 13 2011 04:47 Baarn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2011 04:37 infinity2k9 wrote:
On March 13 2011 03:47 naventus wrote:
I don't understand how Blizzard could delay this game so much and not even put out a difficult to hack game.

Fuck even S2 managed to do that with HoN.


It would be very server side intensive to use the HoN method. But considering Blizzards wealth they definitely could do it.


Yeah Blizzard could involved and revolutionize cloud gaming but there are other ways they could break most of this without having to rewrite their games.


I don't see how? The client currently has to have all the info needed for a maphack in memory. No matter how you try to hide, encrypt or otherwise obfuscate that data, someone will put the effort into disassembling it. I suppose Warden works by scanning your memory for footprints of known hacks or something, i've never looked into how it works. But that still means private hacks will still always work, or even public ones possibly if they used some method to avoid it.
BALIstik916
Profile Joined March 2011
35 Posts
March 12 2011 20:28 GMT
#346
On March 13 2011 05:02 cHaNg-sTa wrote:
I have zero sympathy for hacking. Even if you let someone hack on your account, you're also cheating. Get this crap off SC2, it just hurts e-sports. You're worse than steroids in baseball.


Hacking pisses me off too, but cmon worse than steroids in baseball? You are being a little overdramatic, this is nowhere near the same thing...
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
March 12 2011 20:37 GMT
#347
On March 13 2011 02:58 LoLAdriankat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2011 02:51 sylverfyre wrote:
On March 13 2011 02:43 infinity2k9 wrote:
Whats really lame is that someone like this can even get to the top with non-existent mechanical skills. Thats the real difference here with BW... a hacker would never get anywhere near top of ICCUP.

Wait what?
I totally disagree with that.

Nope. In Brood War, even with hacks, if you don't have the 300+ APM to macro at the mid game, you're still vulnerable to stupid strats like mass arbiterssss just because your opponent is that much better than you.

And ICCUP actually has a functional antihack system, thanks to 3rd parties.

Compare this to blizzard's closed source, client side interface. There's plenty of abuse to be done with little help from the community.
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
PainUser
Profile Joined May 2009
United States206 Posts
March 12 2011 20:42 GMT
#348
IGware entered into a local LAN tournament at Berkeley in the San Francisco Bay Area. Proceeded to knock me and Axslav out in the first and second rounds of the tournament. The tournament organizers let him play from his dorm room if I'm not mistaken because he was a Berkeley student and there "weren't enough computers"? Several "friends" of his messaged me saying that Sorcery was infact playing on his account from another location and that he had been cheating the entire time. Really low stuff it's funny to see this thread after the fact.
Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them you're a mile away and you have their shoes. Playing Protoss is like driving automatic, playing Terran is like driving stick.
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
March 12 2011 20:48 GMT
#349
On March 13 2011 05:05 SkCom wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2011 05:02 cHaNg-sTa wrote:
I have zero sympathy for hacking. Even if you let someone hack on your account, you're also cheating. Get this crap off SC2, it just hurts e-sports. You're worse than steroids in baseball.


Actually, isn't account sharing against the Terms of Use? I know it is for WoW, which is now part of the same battle.net account. So Blizzard *could* potentially ban people for that. And yes, absolutely no respect for hackers. A quick ban and that's all - just like they banned the guys right after they posted. Gotta love the decisiveness of the TL mods sometimes, keeping our community as clean as possible.

It's just part of blizzard's crap to ban us so we have to buy more copies->more profit for them.

This includes the following: No lan, forced to use their server, region lock (buy 1 copy for each region), can't modify MPQ in anyway (haven't been banned myself yet), lazy upkeep on the game.
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
March 12 2011 20:50 GMT
#350
Definitely suspicious. With macro that bad he must be an amazing tactician yet a bunch of his moves were complete blind luck. As mentioned, the group of marines moving to 6'o clock is such a bad move. You don't do that against blue flame hellions. Second and I felt was pretty hilarious was his double drop into the main of namchir. When he starts heading over there, he does a little stutter step. Funnily enough, there was a hellion passing by.. Again double dropping against a viking mass is again blind maneuvering. So bad decision making and bad macro = what the hell..
101toss
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
3232 Posts
March 12 2011 20:55 GMT
#351
This is also more proof that being on top of the Master's League means absolutely nothing.
Math doesn't kill champions and neither do wards
NikonTC
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom418 Posts
March 12 2011 20:56 GMT
#352
On March 13 2011 05:50 kNyTTyM wrote:
Definitely suspicious. With macro that bad he must be an amazing tactician yet a bunch of his moves were complete blind luck. As mentioned, the group of marines moving to 6'o clock is such a bad move. You don't do that against blue flame hellions. Second and I felt was pretty hilarious was his double drop into the main of namchir. When he starts heading over there, he does a little stutter step. Funnily enough, there was a hellion passing by.. Again double dropping against a viking mass is again blind maneuvering. So bad decision making and bad macro = what the hell..


Not picking on you specifically, as there's a lot of people still doing it but seriously; I think we can stop analysing the replays now that they've actually come out and admitted that they hack in the thread.
"IdrA crushes the marine push, absolutely demolishes this 2 rax play. Would not be suprised to see a GG from IdrA at any moment" Day[9]
Greenworld
Profile Joined March 2011
93 Posts
March 12 2011 21:01 GMT
#353
I just vote we do that imballanced drinking thingy . It was a great fight but i admit defeat the truth seems to have revealed itself
Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
March 12 2011 21:03 GMT
#354
On March 13 2011 05:42 PainUser wrote:
IGware entered into a local LAN tournament at Berkeley in the San Francisco Bay Area. Proceeded to knock me and Axslav out in the first and second rounds of the tournament. The tournament organizers let him play from his dorm room if I'm not mistaken because he was a Berkeley student and there "weren't enough computers"? Several "friends" of his messaged me saying that Sorcery was infact playing on his account from another location and that he had been cheating the entire time. Really low stuff it's funny to see this thread after the fact.


thats hillarious.. As the other thread mentioned; The real IGware couldn't attend because the one who climbed the ladder was indeed Sorcery, not IGware.

The only shred of doubt came from the fact someone said "Well iGware went to this tournament and beat Painuser and Axslav"... but now we find out that it wasnt infact a LAN, it was him playing in another location due to "Not enough computers".. that is just the icing on the cake of hilarity.
Canada Gaming ~~ The-Feared
Doodsmack
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7224 Posts
March 12 2011 21:04 GMT
#355
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that despite what he says Sorcery's account is lattered with hacking. Just look at his winrates. Also doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that PinkPrincess is lying when he says he didn't know Sorcery hacked. He played numerous team games with the guy and apparently has played with him for years. It's nice that the hackers and their friends (who oddly all call each other by first name, do they know each other in person) come on here to confess, but they clearly are trying to save a little bit of face here and there by not telling the complete truth.

Great detective work from teh community to get these two guys outted.
PinkPrincess
Profile Joined July 2010
United States149 Posts
March 12 2011 21:09 GMT
#356
On March 13 2011 06:04 Doodsmack wrote:
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that despite what he says Sorcery's account is lattered with hacking. Just look at his winrates. Also doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that PinkPrincess is lying when he says he didn't know Sorcery hacked. He played numerous team games with the guy and apparently has played with him for years. It's nice that the hackers and their friends (who oddly all call each other by first name, do they know each other in person) come on here to confess, but they clearly are trying to save a little bit of face here and there by not telling the complete truth.

Great detective work from teh community to get these two guys outted.

You're wrong and you don't know the sort of person I am with regards to hackers. I wouldn't have defended him if I'd known he hacked.
I haven't known Sorcery for years, so I don't know where you got that from. I met him after SC2 went retail...
Grumpity grump
Skyze
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada2324 Posts
March 12 2011 21:16 GMT
#357
On March 13 2011 06:04 Doodsmack wrote:
Doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that despite what he says Sorcery's account is lattered with hacking. Just look at his winrates. Also doesn't take a rocket scientist to realize that PinkPrincess is lying when he says he didn't know Sorcery hacked. He played numerous team games with the guy and apparently has played with him for years. It's nice that the hackers and their friends (who oddly all call each other by first name, do they know each other in person) come on here to confess, but they clearly are trying to save a little bit of face here and there by not telling the complete truth.

Great detective work from teh community to get these two guys outted.


its not that difficult in team to have a high win percentage.. Keep in mind Sorcery/most of these high win percentage guys do the same exact strat everygame.. And Sorcery got most of his wins during the reaper imbalance early days. I played him alot back then in team and it was an insanely difficult strat to beat (esp with hacks lol), two zergs 10pooling and one terran going mass reaper, or worse 2 terrans mass reaper and one zerg 10pooling. Nowadays, it is two zerg 10pools and mass hellion, totally dominates almost everything in 3v3.

So what Im getting at, is people like igware and Sorcery (and Protech/TommyLove/etc) can achieve these high ass win percentages without hacks just by doing the most abusive team strats at the time.. Keeping in mind, 90% of 4v4 games involve one team having random partners, so when 4 people are doing the best strategy possible, vs 4 people who never played before/not as skilled.. The chance of losing is very low. Anyone with 3 of these "vetern 4v4 players" can go at least 200-10 or better, especially if you play more than one team.
Canada Gaming ~~ The-Feared
Azide
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada566 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-12 21:17:23
March 12 2011 21:17 GMT
#358
Did you delete him from your friends list? (PinkPrincess)
Azide and SuperNinja - Best Double Protoss 2v2 Team!
Aui_2000
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada435 Posts
March 12 2011 21:17 GMT
#359
Sorry but why are people calling out pinkprincess for defending a friend? I would defend a friend that said he wasn't hacking to me until its proven beyond a doubt too. I would hope pretty much all of the community would too. He probably already feels bad because he was lied to.

@doodsmack: Good DotA teams that last more than two weeks either their players pretty close (first name basis is really common) or they aren't good at all due to the nature of the game.

On March 13 2011 05:55 101toss wrote:
This is also more proof that being on top of the Master's League means absolutely nothing.


haha then get to the top of master's league
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TommyLove
Profile Joined January 2011
United States24 Posts
March 12 2011 21:20 GMT
#360
i hope you guys know why mike made this thread. mike accused sorcery and igware for hacking and made an offer that if they give him hacks, he wouldn't have made this thread. but they refused and mike raged.... so yeah

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