EPTiGware Hacking [ you decide ] reps included. - Page 20
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NrT.RuSH
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ultramafia
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On March 13 2011 07:13 TommyLove wrote: so telling the truth is trolling? here's an image of us guys chatting on skype yesterday http://img708.imageshack.us/i/screenshot20110312at209.png/ Michael Ballman is protech by the way and he raged quit on skype because I told him i was going to tell his side of the story That image is so useless to any argument you are trying to make... | ||
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ThE_OsToJiY
Canada1167 Posts
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TommyLove
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backtoback
Canada1276 Posts
On March 13 2011 07:18 ThE_OsToJiY wrote: oh my lord ladder 2x2 drama has been taken to teamliquid. and the tournament that knocked out painuser and EG.Axslav out in real life? | ||
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StallingHard
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Nemireck
Canada1875 Posts
I'm glad that the obvious hacker has admitted his use of the hacks and made all the defenders look like the fools they are for making excuses for an obvious cheater. Maybe it was just easier for me to spot since I've used hacks in all sorts of other games in the past (no worries though, the prospect of being banned from SC2 and shelling out another $60 for a new account is NOT attractive to me), but there are way too many people in this thread that truly don't understand how the game works at the top level, and how a player with his mechanics, random builds, and complete lack of proper scouting can not POSSIBLY reach the top of the ladder. Nor do the understand that a good hacker who's trying not to be caught will not always blatantly respond to everything he sees, and purposely "slip up" in his play to have things to point out and claim "LOOK! If I was hacking then WHY would I let THAT happen?!" He could have done himself a favour and at least pretended to scout. The one thing I noticed back when I maphacked in BW was that by trying to cover up my map-hack, I got really REALLY good at sending scouts across the map so that it wouldn't look suspicious when I was prepared for attacks or took out an undefended expansion (ironically, improving my scouting when I wasn't using a map hack). A few fake scouts could have rendered ProTech's entire post moot because people would have watched the replays and said "Look, he's scouting, you were just unlucky." The most damning evidence was the FoW glances and reactions to what he was seeing on areas of the map that he had no legit vision. Someone even made a .gif of the most glaringly obvious example. When trying to spot a map hacker, this is really the only reliable evidence that can be used. Everything else can be chalked up to luck. | ||
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ultramafia
221 Posts
On March 13 2011 07:18 TommyLove wrote: it's proof that me and mike talked yesterday. if there's a way to show history of starcraft chats or skype conversations, i'll be happy to post more images. I am not sure if you understand how proof works but no one here debates whether you talked to him or not. Its the content of the conversation that is important. You being in a skype chat with him and other people doesn't support your claim that he raged at you because you threatened to reveal his super secret blackmail attempt to obtain hacks that are easily available through the internet. | ||
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TommyLove
United States24 Posts
On March 13 2011 07:21 StallingHard wrote: A screenshot isn't proof enough sorry. Showing that you talked with an account that has the same name is not proof. I can go make a skype account with his name right now and post a screenie... Completely meaningless you can do that, but the skype conversation was yesterday. 3/11/11 | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On March 13 2011 07:21 Nemireck wrote: Well, I'm glad that the obvious hacker has admitted his use of the hacks and made all the defenders look like the fools they are for making excuses for an obvious cheater. Maybe it was just easier for me to spot since I've used hacks in all sorts of other games in the past (no worries though, the prospect of being banned from SC2 and shelling out another $60 for a new account is NOT attractive to me), but there are way too many people in this thread that truly don't understand how the game works at the top level, and how a player with his mechanics, random builds, and complete lack of proper scouting can not POSSIBLY reach the top of the ladder. Nor do the understand that a good hacker who's trying not to be caught will not always blatantly respond to everything he sees, and purposely "slip up" in his play to have things to point out and claim "LOOK! If I was hacking then WHY would I let THAT happen?!" He could have done himself a favour and at least pretended to scout. The one thing I noticed back when I maphacked in BW was that by trying to cover up my map-hack, I got really REALLY good at sending scouts across the map so that it wouldn't look suspicious when I was prepared for attacks or took out an undefended expansion (ironically, improving my scouting when I wasn't using a map hack). A few fake scouts could have rendered ProTech's entire post moot because people would have watched the replays and said "Look, he's scouting, you were just unlucky." The most damning evidence was the FoW glances and reactions to what he was seeing on areas of the map that he had no legit vision. Someone even made a .gif of the most glaringly obvious example. When trying to spot a map hacker, this is really the only reliable evidence that can be used. Everything else can be chalked up to luck. another admitted hacker that should be banned. this is still a bw site and you admit to being a hacker. its amazing you would criticize other hackers. | ||
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Nemireck
Canada1875 Posts
On March 13 2011 07:25 dAPhREAk wrote: another admitted hacker that should be banned. this is still a bw site and you admit to being a hacker. its amazing you would criticize other hackers. What I did 8 years ago in BW really has very little to do with how I play the game currently. There are plenty of past hackers that are not only un-banned members of TL, but also active in the SC2 pro-scene. Neither was I criticizing the hackers themselves, but rather the idiots that watched those replays and didn't see the blatantly obvious cheating going on. Get off your pedestal. | ||
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dAPhREAk
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101toss
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On March 13 2011 07:28 Nemireck wrote: What I did 8 years ago in BW really has very little to do with how I play the game currently. There are plenty of past hackers that are not only un-banned members of TL, but also active in the SC2 pro-scene. Neither was I criticizing the hackers themselves, but rather the idiots that watched those replays and didn't see the blatantly obvious cheating going on. Get off your pedestal. TL forgives ex-hackers who show remorse, just fyi | ||
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Nemireck
Canada1875 Posts
On March 13 2011 07:31 dAPhREAk wrote: its amazing that you are bragging about hacking and how good you were at hiding it. once a cheater, always a cheater. tl doesnt have to ban you, but it should It's amazing that you are incapable of differentiating between someone bragging, and someone describing the actions that a hacker will take during a game to hide their cheating. I've done nothing more than spell out the types of actions that one should look for when analyzing a replay of a suspected cheater. | ||
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LesPhoques
Canada782 Posts
On March 13 2011 07:13 TommyLove wrote: so telling the truth is trolling? here's an image of us guys chatting on skype yesterday http://img708.imageshack.us/i/screenshot20110312at209.png/ Michael Ballman is protech by the way and he raged quit on skype because I told him i was going to tell his side of the story How old are you? 5? No, may be less because your argument is completely RETARDED. Most retarded piece of "evidence" I have seen in my life. Hacking is serious issue and after reading many of your posts I conclude that you are mentally retarded bipolar person who is denying that iGware was hacking then saying that he didn't share hacks with OP... Can we vote for permaban ? ^_^ | ||
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Azide
Canada566 Posts
how about u post the conversation history. showing that u were in a chat with him with a bunch of other people means nothing | ||
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Candide
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On March 13 2011 06:57 backtoback wrote: http://nadota.com/articles/121--the-controversial-case-of-map-hack edit: LASTHITMAGIC = SORCERY hehe shoutout to nadota | ||
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dAPhREAk
Nauru12397 Posts
On March 13 2011 07:35 Nemireck wrote: It's amazing that you are incapable of differentiating between someone bragging, and someone describing the actions that a hacker will take during a game to hide their cheating. I've done nothing more than spell out the types of actions that one should look for when analyzing a replay of a suspected cheater. you said: The one thing I noticed back when I maphacked in BW was that by trying to cover up my map-hack, I got really REALLY good at sending scouts across the map so that it wouldn't look suspicious when I was prepared for attacks or took out an undefended expansion (ironically, improving my scouting when I wasn't using a map hack) that is bragging. you are saying that you were good at hacking and weren't caught. even if it occurred 8 years ago, you are still bragging about not being caught. | ||
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Nemireck
Canada1875 Posts
On March 13 2011 07:31 101toss wrote: TL forgives ex-hackers who show remorse, just fyi Well, I have certainly changed my actions over the years and no longer find any enjoyment from using a hack (or multiple hacks) to compete against others online. Shrug, it is what it is, I used to use a maphack in BW, and I'm sharing with the community the types of actions that a hacker will take to hide their use of such a program. Take the advice or attack me for what I did back when I was 14 years old, that's your choice :p | ||
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dAPhREAk
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