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What people need to understand about cheaters is this:
These particular cheaters are not garbage players - execution still needs to be good even considering they have extra information from their hacks. An aptitude for gameplay lends itself to the easy assumption that the accused (and admitted) hackers are not stupid.
A smart (non-stupid, see above) player will VERY rarely be caught cheating with evidence that is 100% undeniable proof. So catching cheaters is extremely difficult and time consuming. Analyzing countless numbers of replays is necessary as there is almost never 100% proof that a player is hacking. Obviously these players are conscious of the fact that their replays will be watched and take measures to prevent themselves from being discovered as hackers.
So even after Sorcery admits to hacking - people drone on and on about how the replays don't PROVE the players are hacking - it often comes from a place of ignorance.
Consider the US Justice System's mantra:
innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt
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What is the point of his thread now that he has openly admitted he map hacks?
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On March 18 2011 09:19 Dommk wrote:
What is the point of his thread now that he has openly admitted he map hacks?
So that in the event blizzard ( by the off chance ) actually looks at these forums, they will see that he openly admitted to cheating. Also ( by the off chance ) that they do look @ this thread, they will in fact ban his MAIN account that he claims " pure of hacking. "
I think it's a good idea to keep this thread wide open until the wave of bans come.
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You know, I did cheat a little in CS 1.6 wayyyy back in the days and I wasn't near mediocre. Fact is we mainly cheated with friends because it was boring to always end up 1st...
Not saying it's justifiable but I can understand where some people are coming from with this; If you're good enough to beat a reasonably sizeable chunk of opponents and aren't a stats monkey trying to be the latest hot-shit mr 1848540000 points, I mean... why not ?
You all need to get off your high horses; Everyone has been cheated out at some point and you'd better focus more on it happening in real life than in sc2.
All this bullshit whining about how "it's so horrible because it docked my favorite e-star 3 placements on a cyber league in a cyber game not even 1% of the people playing the game gives a flying fuck about" is giving me a fucking headache.
People even before starcraft wanted to make e-sports. They failed. Why ? Because they had the same batshit mentality that "only what we say is acceptable and we'll ban/shun everyone else". If you want to show the world who's boss drag your ass off your chair, don't post on forums like every 12 years old keyboard warrior; I'm even surprised none of you swore to hunt and kill him at this point...
Maybe someone will care about actually financing e-sports the day most of you stop acting like insane religious integrists...
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On March 18 2011 09:36 C5Five wrote:
You know, I did cheat a little in CS 1.6 wayyyy back in the days and I wasn't near mediocre. Fact is we mainly cheated with friends because it was boring to always end up 1st...
Not saying it's justifiable but I can understand where some people are coming from with this; If you're good enough to beat a reasonably sizeable chunk of opponents and aren't a stats monkey trying to be the latest hot-shit mr 1848540000 points, I mean... why not ?
You all need to get off your high horses; Everyone has been cheated out at some point and you'd better focus more on it happening in real life than in sc2.
All this bullshit whining about how "it's so horrible because it docked my favorite e-star 3 placements on a cyber league in a cyber game not even 0.00001% of the world gives a flying fuck about" is giving me a fucking headache.
People even before starcraft wanted to make e-sports. They failed. Why ? Because they had the same batshit mentality that "only what we say is acceptable and we'll ban/shun everyone else". If you want to show the world who's boss drag your ass off your chair, don't post on forums like every 12 years old keyboard warrior; I'm even surprised none of you swore to hunt and kill him at this point...
Single player cheating is fine. Cheating against a friend in a non-competitive situation and laughing about it together is fine. Everything else is off limits.
Of course cheating happens in real life. And guess what, it makes you a social pariah. Same thing is happening here - I don't get what your problem is.
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On March 18 2011 09:36 C5Five wrote:
You know, I did cheat a little in CS 1.6 wayyyy back in the days and I wasn't near mediocre. Fact is we mainly cheated with friends because it was boring to always end up 1st...
Not saying it's justifiable but I can understand where some people are coming from with this; If you're good enough to beat a reasonably sizeable chunk of opponents and aren't a stats monkey trying to be the latest hot-shit mr 1848540000 points, I mean... why not ?
You all need to get off your high horses; Everyone has been cheated out at some point and you'd better focus more on it happening in real life than in sc2.
All this bullshit whining about how "it's so horrible because it docked my favorite e-star 3 placements on a cyber league in a cyber game not even 1% of the people playing the game gives a flying fuck about" is giving me a fucking headache.
People even before starcraft wanted to make e-sports. They failed. Why ? Because they had the same batshit mentality that "only what we say is acceptable and we'll ban/shun everyone else". If you want to show the world who's boss drag your ass off your chair, don't post on forums like every 12 years old keyboard warrior; I'm even surprised none of you swore to hunt and kill him at this point...
Maybe someone will care about actually financing e-sports the day most of you stop acting like insane religious integrists...
This was possibly the most confusing post I've ever read on the TL forums.
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On March 18 2011 09:33 ProTech wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 09:19 Dommk wrote:
What is the point of his thread now that he has openly admitted he map hacks? So that in the event blizzard ( by the off chance ) actually looks at these forums, they will see that he openly admitted to cheating. Also ( by the off chance ) that they do look @ this thread, they will in fact ban his MAIN account that he claims " pure of hacking. " I think it's a good idea to keep this thread wide open until the wave of bans come.
If that is what you are concerned about then make sure you report him using Blizz system, email them etc. and include the link to this thread/his confession. This thread is truly absolute trash now. It did what its suppose to do and has become a place for losers to report hackers with no proof and getting away with it because emotions are hot.
Not only that, but the fact that people just want to discuss cheating/hacking on TL continuously is frankly sad and disappointing. Perhaps insuring that iGware/Sorcery are banned is part of your personal agenda at all cost ProTech, but the rest of us would like to see threads that haven't transformed into utter trash.
Hacker was accused, admitted, thread's goal is accomplished. Blizz has been notified and undoubtedly seen this forum anyway. This thread should be closed.
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On March 18 2011 09:41 lbmaian wrote:
Of course cheating happens in real life. And guess what, it makes you a social pariah.
It gets you elected.
And guess what; the same idiots who cry against cheating will then praise and trust said "pariah" with all their hearts.
It's relative. Always.
On March 18 2011 09:42 Deindar wrote:
This was possibly the most confusing post I've ever read on the TL forums.
Red wine. Hurts my thought process 
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On March 18 2011 09:16 SilverBullet wrote:
So even after Sorcery admits to hacking - people drone on and on about how the replays don't PROVE the players are hacking - it often comes from a place of ignorance.
Not just ignorance though, WILLFUL ignorance.
Like I spelled out a few times earlier in the thread. Sorcery isn't even good at hiding his cheating. In fact, as far as I can tell, he doesn't even try.
It's blatant in all 3 replays that Pro posted, and I'm having a hard time imagining how anyone could watch the replays and come back with "inconclusive" unless they're trying to make themselves believe that cheating either isn't possible, or isn't as common as they fear it may be.
Any player trying to claim that the replays don't show blatant map-hacking in action is fooling themselves, and worse, they're enabling the cheaters by making them feel like they can't get caught.
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On March 18 2011 09:52 EnderPR wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 09:33 ProTech wrote:On March 18 2011 09:19 Dommk wrote:
What is the point of his thread now that he has openly admitted he map hacks? So that in the event blizzard ( by the off chance ) actually looks at these forums, they will see that he openly admitted to cheating. Also ( by the off chance ) that they do look @ this thread, they will in fact ban his MAIN account that he claims " pure of hacking. " I think it's a good idea to keep this thread wide open until the wave of bans come. If that is what you are concerned about then make sure you report him using Blizz system, email them etc. and include the link to this thread/his confession. This thread is truly absolute trash now. It did what its suppose to do and has become a place for losers to report hackers with no proof and getting away with it because emotions are hot. Not only that, but the fact that people just want to discuss cheating/hacking on TL continuously is frankly sad and disappointing. Perhaps insuring that iGware/Sorcery are banned is part of your personal agenda at all cost ProTech, but the rest of us would like to see threads that haven't transformed into utter trash. Hacker was accused, admitted, thread's goal is accomplished. Blizz has been notified and undoubtedly seen this forum anyway. This thread should be closed.
Blizzard banning hackers outside of their normal ban waves presumably due to big public outcries over confirmed hacks has happened in the past though. I'm hoping that's what will happen.
I believe needless accusations of players other than iGware/Sorcery have stopped for a while now and something like that can easily be put under control with proper moderation anyway.
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I find the high level 2v2 community unbelievable - people accusing mindset of hacking? Protech upset about everyone who beats him? and people thinking they know better than professional players such as Drewbie?
This 35 page thread can be summed up amply as this: the MAD, the BAD, and the ugly. Wtf how/why this thread is still open I know not- there is literally nothing more to say since sorcery confessed.
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On March 18 2011 09:36 C5Five wrote:
You know, I did cheat a little in CS 1.6 wayyyy back in the days and I wasn't near mediocre. Fact is we mainly cheated with friends because it was boring to always end up 1st...
Not saying it's justifiable but I can understand where some people are coming from with this; If you're good enough to beat a reasonably sizeable chunk of opponents and aren't a stats monkey trying to be the latest hot-shit mr 1848540000 points, I mean... why not ?
You all need to get off your high horses; Everyone has been cheated out at some point and you'd better focus more on it happening in real life than in sc2.
All this bullshit whining about how "it's so horrible because it docked my favorite e-star 3 placements on a cyber league in a cyber game not even 1% of the people playing the game gives a flying fuck about" is giving me a fucking headache.
People even before starcraft wanted to make e-sports. They failed. Why ? Because they had the same batshit mentality that "only what we say is acceptable and we'll ban/shun everyone else". If you want to show the world who's boss drag your ass off your chair, don't post on forums like every 12 years old keyboard warrior; I'm even surprised none of you swore to hunt and kill him at this point...
Maybe someone will care about actually financing e-sports the day most of you stop acting like insane religious integrists...
Wow super dumb post there man good job,It's really stupid fucking logic to think that it's okay to hack as long as you're not doing it to be "the latest hot-shit mr 1848540000 points".. In fact it's stupid logic to think it's okay to hack for ANY reason.
It is NEVER acceptable to cheat in any competitive game/sport, real life or video and if we let people like this guy get away with it then there's nothing to stop others from doing it which is why we need threads like this to come up when there's proof of hacking.
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On March 18 2011 09:53 C5Five wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 09:41 lbmaian wrote:
Of course cheating happens in real life. And guess what, it makes you a social pariah. It gets you elected. And guess what; the same idiots who cry against cheating will then praise and trust said "pariah" with all their hearts. It's relative. Always.
Politics, titter-titter. Crooks and liars, titter-titter. Sheeple, titter-titter.
'Ho ho politicians ho ho ho I'm as funny as Dane Cook' has absolutely no bearing on the correctness of hacking in SC2. Just because you hacked doesn't mean everyone else has. When you say everyone does it in an attempt to mollify opinion toward it and yourself, speak only for yourself. Hacking to get yourself an edge is something I'm fairly sure most people on here have in fact *not* done, much less on ladder, where selection for legitimate tournaments occurs. Just because you found it fitting to waste the time of other people playing CS by hacking does not mean the rest of us feel the same.
'Focus on RL Cheating' is an amusing way to distract it, but there's not a goddamn person on this board that focuses 100% on RL. We find amusing pastimes in games like this, and it bothers us when people don't treat that pastime with the same respect. Should we all focus on real life cheating 100%? This is equivalent to asking 'should recreation exist?' If you don't think video games, board games, or anything else that prevents us from reaching our optimum productive capabilities should exist, only then can you say that we shouldn't focus on hacking. Because if you refuse to decry all of these, you refuse to decry the concept of recreation and thus refuse to grant yourself standing to prevent us from preserving the integrity of our sport.
Have fun.
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well, i'm glad a hacker was caught and exposed publicly like this, it will discourage other players from hacking. also everyone add plus one to your ladder ranking cuz we know at least one account is illegit  .
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On March 18 2011 10:02 RiceRiceRice wrote:
I find the high level 2v2 community unbelievable - people accusing mindset of hacking? Protech upset about everyone who beats him? and people thinking they know better than professional players such as Drewbie?
This 35 page thread can be summed up amply as this: the MAD, the BAD, and the ugly. Wtf how/why this thread is still open I know not- there is literally nothing more to say since sorcery confessed.
You are a complete idiot.
So the kid comes out and says he hacks, and you feel like that is OK and it should be over after that? Let the flame go on, he deserves it, you sound like someone who cheats himself.
User was warned for this post
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On March 18 2011 19:18 ProTech wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2011 10:02 RiceRiceRice wrote:
I find the high level 2v2 community unbelievable - people accusing mindset of hacking? Protech upset about everyone who beats him? and people thinking they know better than professional players such as Drewbie?
This 35 page thread can be summed up amply as this: the MAD, the BAD, and the ugly. Wtf how/why this thread is still open I know not- there is literally nothing more to say since sorcery confessed. You are a complete idiot. So the kid comes out and says he hacks, and you feel like that is OK and it should be over after that? Let the flame go on, he deserves it, you sound like someone who cheats himself.
Not ok to have a thread on tl with the sole purpose of flaming someone IMO. Let it be open so blizzard can be aware of it yes, but flame, no.
C5five just registrered to come in to this thread and defend hackers?
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I think this thread has indeed run it's course.
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