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On March 16 2011 04:44 drewbie.root wrote:
I can confirm that Mindset is a hacker, I allied him thousands of times in broodwar, and I'm pretty sure he hacked every game, because one time I saw him talking to fleem in Ladder 2x2, who is a known hacker. Also we are about 500-150 / 165-15 on 2 different accounts, and obviously we couldn't have done that without Mindset hacking.
Mindset is actually good man, he is not a hacker, he was accomplished 1v1 and 2v2 in broodwar, and he plays the game for fun, its not fun being a hacker, we don't care about our stats, playing our best and beating good teams is a good feeling, which gets spoiled by hacking.
So, in closing... SecretADC you are a stupid newbie, don't call my friend and ally a hacker.
Oh yea btw he actually streamed the game where he raped you LOL, maybe next time before you cry hack when you lose you should actually do a little research and check if he has a stream before you go around looking like a fool.
Considering I won the game where I was chatting to Mindset? lulz.
Someone's upset their friend got called out. ^^
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On March 16 2011 07:37 SkCom wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 03:14 SecretA5DC wrote:
Found this to be a little amusing.
Checked the replay. He goes Double Racks at his Expo and magically knows where I am... So after some additional investigation.
I just happened to pick a few random games out of his long 2vs2 win streak from a day ago.
Seems like everyone related to this Sorcery person has access to hacks. GG ladder. not nearly proof enough and as drewbie pointed out, you're probably just bitter for losing, since the guy streams a lot and even streamed a game where he beat you see, this is why you can never believe anyone calling others hackers for the first time, you never know if it's genuine or just a hate move
How am I bitter if I won once and lost once? If I was upset over one loss in this game I would be making dozens of post about qq'ing. The guy teams with a hacker and "claims" he didn't know.
I checked the replays on both games, Mindset put up 2 racks at his natural and tried to cheese with a marine rush. Then after that failed, he went for reapers in both games.
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i quickly put on the second replay? the one with tehredbandit hackprotech vs iGware sorcery.
""For starters @ 5:04 watch how igware starts to move out and looks into the fog of war, knowing that there are lings that would obliterate his army if he continues to move out.""
If you watch the replay you can see that he sees all the lings coming when they run by sorcerys overlord. but i guess you see what you wanna see
I stopped watching there as i figured it would continue to be a waste of time.
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Did you miss the confession to hacking in the OP? lol
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No, but im saying there needs to be some better evidence than that.. lol
also in the 1v1 they were talkin in the begining of same builds workinga as if they just played each other the game before. so maybe he was just preparing for the same thing just done to him..
and at 13:35 i def dont see him setting up for an attack, but rather setting up a nice defense fill bunkers making tanks....
im no defending or saying anything.. w/e he admits it (but not on his account.. so ok?suree). but nothing really far fetched i see here yeah he doesnt scout.. but who knows really what people are thinking and what they think their opponent is thinking.. just saying think outside the box
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On March 15 2011 09:02 PinkPrincess wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2011 08:48 AlphaFerg wrote:On March 15 2011 06:25 RandomRice wrote:On March 15 2011 05:46 bLuR wrote:
How do we know those people posting confessions are real..? I can verify that the statements are legit. I took the time this weekend to meet with David Zhu to help clarify the issue for me. Both confessions are genuine. Also, I want to put a word in for David Zhu. He was legitimately interested in helped Cal succeed in the CSL, but was unaware that alumni were prohibited from competing. All matches played under igware for the CSL were played by David(without hacks) with the exception of 1 (ace match vs Utah was apparently played by Sorcery -_-). However that is irrelevant as the matches overturned were under the basis that they were not registered Cal students(at the time ofthe season). I cannot speak for Sorcery but based on my meeting with David, I can say that I believe him when he says that he has never hacked. He is a good, solid player(although not #1 in US quality, lol) who has a questionable choice of friends (ie Sorcery) who he allowed to get away with hacking/cheating on his igware account Thanks for posting this. I really appreciated the effort that Cal put into the CSL matches, and the LAN, and I hate to see their name get smeared by unfortunate circumstances like this. It is a shame that you guys are out of the playoffs (though I can't admit to being a little happy that this allowed Davis to get in), but I really had a good time at the LAN, and look forward to next year's CSL. If we do end up doing any LANs down here in the cowtown, you guys will be the first to hear about it! By the way, I just spoke to Sorcery, and he said that he played all the CSL games for David Zhu, not just that one ace match against Utah. I assume if one had the replays handy, it would be relatively easy to compare hotkeys and the such. I don't know where the CSL replays are, however.
http://www.cstarleague.com/sites/default/files/replays/Round_17.zip
http://www.cstarleague.com/sites/default/files/replays/Round_16.zip
http://www.cstarleague.com/sites/default/files/replays/Round_15.zip
http://www.cstarleague.com/sites/default/files/replays/Round_14.zip
http://www.cstarleague.com/sites/default/files/replays/Round_13.zip
http://www.cstarleague.com/sites/default/files/replays/Round_12.zip
http://www.cstarleague.com/sites/default/files/replays/Round_11.zip
http://www.cstarleague.com/sites/default/files/replays/Round_10.zip
http://www.cstarleague.com/sites/default/files/replays/Round_9.zip
http://www.cstarleague.com/sites/default/files/replays/Round_8.zip
http://www.cstarleague.com/sites/default/files/replays/Round_7.zip
http://www.cstarleague.com/sites/default/files/replays/Round_6.zip
http://www.cstarleague.com/sites/default/files/replays/Round_5.zip
http://www.cstarleague.com/sites/default/files/replays/Round_4.zip
http://www.cstarleague.com/sites/default/files/replays/Round_3.zip
http://www.cstarleague.com/sites/default/files/replays/Round_2.zip
http://www.cstarleague.com/sites/default/files/replays/Round_1.zip
If you end up taking a look I would like to know about the results.
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Here's a very convincing set of 2 replays I had the other day with this guy (not protech), it's weird because I thought he was trolling me in game saying I was hacking but it turns out after the games he was directly watching my base and armies, without any scouting at all, perfectly.
I guess I should contact blizzard?
http://replayfu.com/r/WFx7np
http://replayfu.com/r/Pq4qBn
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On March 16 2011 07:54 dankbrownies wrote:
i quickly put on the second replay? the one with tehredbandit hackprotech vs iGware sorcery.
""For starters @ 5:04 watch how igware starts to move out and looks into the fog of war, knowing that there are lings that would obliterate his army if he continues to move out.""
If you watch the replay you can see that he sees all the lings coming when they run by sorcerys overlord. but i guess you see what you wanna see
I stopped watching there as i figured it would continue to be a waste of time.
No shit sherlock. He does know that the lings are coming in waves, but it's very standard that when you're rushing like to hide some ling if he tries to come into the base. He's not even looking @ his allies base to know whether or not the lings are in there. Instead he looks into the FoW to see the lings and where they are.
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If you need a maphack to know that if a zerg attacks you in the first minutes it's gonna be zerglings I'm wondering how you even managed to install the damn game, let alone find and install a maphack...
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On March 16 2011 08:41 ProTech wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 07:54 dankbrownies wrote:
i quickly put on the second replay? the one with tehredbandit hackprotech vs iGware sorcery.
""For starters @ 5:04 watch how igware starts to move out and looks into the fog of war, knowing that there are lings that would obliterate his army if he continues to move out.""
If you watch the replay you can see that he sees all the lings coming when they run by sorcerys overlord. but i guess you see what you wanna see
I stopped watching there as i figured it would continue to be a waste of time. No shit sherlock. He does know that the lings are coming in waves, but it's very standard that when you're rushing like to hide some ling if he tries to come into the base. He's not even looking @ his allies base to know whether or not the lings are in there. Instead he looks into the FoW to see the lings and where they are.
ok except the TWO zerglings in the fog of war outside of his base. there are only TWO. hes see ths other set streaming down under sorcerys overlord.
why would he back off from only 2 lings outside his base
seems to me he sees them streaming down under the ovie, hesitates sees they did infact go into sorcerys base and knows its safe. those two lings in the FOW didnt make him run back in to his base
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On March 16 2011 09:00 dankbrownies wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 08:41 ProTech wrote:On March 16 2011 07:54 dankbrownies wrote:
i quickly put on the second replay? the one with tehredbandit hackprotech vs iGware sorcery.
""For starters @ 5:04 watch how igware starts to move out and looks into the fog of war, knowing that there are lings that would obliterate his army if he continues to move out.""
If you watch the replay you can see that he sees all the lings coming when they run by sorcerys overlord. but i guess you see what you wanna see
I stopped watching there as i figured it would continue to be a waste of time. No shit sherlock. He does know that the lings are coming in waves, but it's very standard that when you're rushing like to hide some ling if he tries to come into the base. He's not even looking @ his allies base to know whether or not the lings are in there. Instead he looks into the FoW to see the lings and where they are. ok except the TWO zerglings in the fog of war outside of his base. there are only TWO. hes see ths other set streaming down under sorcerys overlord. why would he back off from only 2 lings outside his base seems to me he sees them streaming down under the ovie, hesitates sees they did infact go into sorcerys base and knows its safe. those two lings in the FOW didnt make him run back in to his base
obviously you're wrong.
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Peoples with self respect shouldn't play ally with hacker. I won't be surprised if in the next month-two they will protect him and say that this good man has changed.
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On March 16 2011 09:00 dankbrownies wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 08:41 ProTech wrote:On March 16 2011 07:54 dankbrownies wrote:
i quickly put on the second replay? the one with tehredbandit hackprotech vs iGware sorcery.
""For starters @ 5:04 watch how igware starts to move out and looks into the fog of war, knowing that there are lings that would obliterate his army if he continues to move out.""
If you watch the replay you can see that he sees all the lings coming when they run by sorcerys overlord. but i guess you see what you wanna see
I stopped watching there as i figured it would continue to be a waste of time. No shit sherlock. He does know that the lings are coming in waves, but it's very standard that when you're rushing like to hide some ling if he tries to come into the base. He's not even looking @ his allies base to know whether or not the lings are in there. Instead he looks into the FoW to see the lings and where they are. ok except the TWO zerglings in the fog of war outside of his base. there are only TWO. hes see ths other set streaming down under sorcerys overlord. why would he back off from only 2 lings outside his base seems to me he sees them streaming down under the ovie, hesitates sees they did infact go into sorcerys base and knows its safe. those two lings in the FOW didnt make him run back in to his base
Others (including me) have tried reasonable discourse with ProTech, it's not worth it. Apparently most people in this thread cannot differentiate upholding standards of evidence from "defending the hacker". To cut a long story short, these guys (ProTech and Sorcery) know each other personally. The "evidence" in the replays is mostly very weak, as many have noted already, but obviously ProTech's allegations are motivated by behind the scenes knowledge and animosity. The players involved have now admitted to hacking, so there's not much more to say. At this point it's just an amusing expose into the crazy world of hacking in 2v2 (the funniest part was learning that the hackers are shunned from Protech's "clan hack" due to their suspected hacking).
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On March 17 2011 06:19 whatthefat wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 09:00 dankbrownies wrote:On March 16 2011 08:41 ProTech wrote:On March 16 2011 07:54 dankbrownies wrote:
i quickly put on the second replay? the one with tehredbandit hackprotech vs iGware sorcery.
""For starters @ 5:04 watch how igware starts to move out and looks into the fog of war, knowing that there are lings that would obliterate his army if he continues to move out.""
If you watch the replay you can see that he sees all the lings coming when they run by sorcerys overlord. but i guess you see what you wanna see
I stopped watching there as i figured it would continue to be a waste of time. No shit sherlock. He does know that the lings are coming in waves, but it's very standard that when you're rushing like to hide some ling if he tries to come into the base. He's not even looking @ his allies base to know whether or not the lings are in there. Instead he looks into the FoW to see the lings and where they are. ok except the TWO zerglings in the fog of war outside of his base. there are only TWO. hes see ths other set streaming down under sorcerys overlord. why would he back off from only 2 lings outside his base seems to me he sees them streaming down under the ovie, hesitates sees they did infact go into sorcerys base and knows its safe. those two lings in the FOW didnt make him run back in to his base Others (including me) have tried reasonable discourse with ProTech, it's not worth it. Apparently most people in this thread cannot differentiate upholding standards of evidence from "defending the hacker". To cut a long story short, these guys (ProTech and Sorcery) know each other personally. The "evidence" in the replays is mostly very weak, as many have noted already, but obviously ProTech's allegations are motivated by behind the scenes knowledge and animosity. The players involved have now admitted to hacking, so there's not much more to say. At this point it's just an amusing expose into the crazy world of hacking in 2v2 (the funniest part was learning that the hackers are shunned from Protech's "clan hack" due to their suspected hacking).
unfortunately there are probably going to be some not so amusing expose into the world of hacking in 1v1 sometime soon.
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"let the trash burn and the ember fall from the sky"
-ken
This is the best thing that could have happened, Sc2 pays not nearly enough attention to this sort of thing.
Lan events are one thing, but they need to monitor the online scene.
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Its pretty pathetic that people would hack in a video game where they don't really stand to gain anything but a virtual bj of their e-penis, which sadly will always overshadow the real thing.
I get pro athletes; there's pressure, contracts, fame, tons of money at stake. I don't endorse cheating in pro sports but at least there's some rationale behind it that suggests while these people are immoral they are not retarded. The same can't be said for computer game hackers. I would pity these guys but the shit they do is too damn annoying to deserve pity.
I feel there should be a better discipline system... like to force hackers play against other players at their ladder ranking (i.e. match up iGware/sorcery against Select) .. in a public streamed game... And have people tune in to watch the carnage as they get absolutely crushed by legit gamers. I would pay good money to see this (as long as none of it goes to the hacker).
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What I find pathetic is that he literally comes out of the closet, admits to hacking, then the VERY NEXT DAY he's caught on a cheating team.
That's what's pathetic.
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On March 16 2011 06:23 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2011 04:44 drewbie.root wrote:
I can confirm that Mindset is a hacker, I allied him thousands of times in broodwar, and I'm pretty sure he hacked every game, because one time I saw him talking to fleem in Ladder 2x2, who is a known hacker. Also we are about 500-150 / 165-15 on 2 different accounts, and obviously we couldn't have done that without Mindset hacking.
Mindset is actually good man, he is not a hacker, he was accomplished 1v1 and 2v2 in broodwar, and he plays the game for fun, its not fun being a hacker, we don't care about our stats, playing our best and beating good teams is a good feeling, which gets spoiled by hacking.
So, in closing... SecretADC you are a stupid newbie, don't call my friend and ally a hacker.
Oh yea btw he actually streamed the game where he raped you LOL, maybe next time before you cry hack when you lose you should actually do a little research and check if he has a stream before you go around looking like a fool. Drewbie gets +5/+5, flying, trample, and protection from all creatures until the end of the game. Tap Drewbie: Destroy target noob. He can't be regenerated.
This is perhaps the best thing I read in the entire thread.
Magic The Gathering FTW
As towards the witchhunt that this thread has crumbled into...I am all for burning hackers at the stake(or more realistically just swinging the banhammer), but provide evidence not accusations. And at the poster flaming with drewbie...good luck with that. Let me know how it works out for you.
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Lol my 3's team played Sorcery and called him a map hacker in passing, somewhat just as trash talk but mainly because his team pulled some uncanny moves we had considered luck at the time. Ironic, hope he gets banned on all his accounts!
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Lol his stats are dropping like a hot potato now, he is 74th from 1st , funny he is in Combatex league.
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