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furymonkey
Profile Joined December 2008
New Zealand1587 Posts
March 15 2011 04:17 GMT
#621
I believe the quote "once a hacker always a hacker".

Even he is doing everything he can to prove he is clean now, as soon things died down, they might start again. As it's already proven for the other guy, who had a history hacking in other game.
Leenock the Punisher
manicshock
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada741 Posts
March 15 2011 05:48 GMT
#622
I have a feeling this thread is surfacing the whole idea that anyone could be hacking. I got accused of hacking because I managed to snipe several of his obs (and tbh, they were mostly strokes of luck seeing them when they're obvious).
Never argue with an idiot. They will just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
dde
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada796 Posts
March 15 2011 06:00 GMT
#623
can ppl actually hack in current battle.net? if yes, blizzard you told us you would make hackless battle.net!!!
yes
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
March 15 2011 06:11 GMT
#624
On March 15 2011 15:00 dde wrote:
can ppl actually hack in current battle.net? if yes, blizzard you told us you would make hackless battle.net!!!


People have been using hacks since about 2 days after beta got released...

And did Blizzard really say that? Can you give me a link to that interview?
Eleaven
Profile Joined September 2010
772 Posts
March 15 2011 06:22 GMT
#625
Got accused of hacking today when i took a probe around the map to scout for hidden expo's periodically.

Thanks OP
Vei
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2845 Posts
March 15 2011 06:28 GMT
#626
On March 15 2011 08:48 AlphaFerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 15 2011 06:25 RandomRice wrote:
On March 15 2011 05:46 bLuR wrote:
How do we know those people posting confessions are real..?


I can verify that the statements are legit. I took the time this weekend to meet with David Zhu to help clarify the issue for me. Both confessions are genuine.

Also, I want to put a word in for David Zhu. He was legitimately interested in helped Cal succeed in the CSL, but was unaware that alumni were prohibited from competing. All matches played under igware for the CSL were played by David(without hacks) with the exception of 1 (ace match vs Utah was apparently played by Sorcery -_-). However that is irrelevant as the matches overturned were under the basis that they were not registered Cal students(at the time ofthe season).

I cannot speak for Sorcery but based on my meeting with David, I can say that I believe him when he says that he has never hacked. He is a good, solid player(although not #1 in US quality, lol) who has a questionable choice of friends (ie Sorcery) who he allowed to get away with hacking/cheating on his igware account


Thanks for posting this. I really appreciated the effort that Cal put into the CSL matches, and the LAN, and I hate to see their name get smeared by unfortunate circumstances like this. It is a shame that you guys are out of the playoffs (though I can't admit to being a little happy that this allowed Davis to get in), but I really had a good time at the LAN, and look forward to next year's CSL. If we do end up doing any LANs down here in the cowtown, you guys will be the first to hear about it!

lol ofc david never hacked and he's so legit because he let sorcery play the key match hmmm

fucking a
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ProTech
Profile Joined November 2010
United States489 Posts
March 15 2011 07:59 GMT
#627
LoL @ You peter for continuing to play with this scum bag. You deserve a ban just as much as he does. Hence forth I will leave every game Sorcery and I get into together.
khazgore
Profile Joined November 2010
Norway104 Posts
March 15 2011 08:56 GMT
#628
Blizzard should put a lifetime ban on them in all their future games aswell. maphacking in starcraft 2 gives such a sick advantage, if the average master started maphacking he could probably have a chance against the best in the world.

I know a dude who got lifetime banned for botting in aion online ( he got banned when he made a new account ) and that doesent really give you any advantage over other players it only makes you level faster.

If i were this guys i would have felt like a really small person maphacking while so many people know who you are.
ProTech
Profile Joined November 2010
United States489 Posts
March 15 2011 11:34 GMT
#629
On March 15 2011 17:56 khazgore wrote:
Blizzard should put a lifetime ban on them in all their future games aswell. maphacking in starcraft 2 gives such a sick advantage, if the average master started maphacking he could probably have a chance against the best in the world.

I know a dude who got lifetime banned for botting in aion online ( he got banned when he made a new account ) and that doesent really give you any advantage over other players it only makes you level faster.

If i were this guys i would have felt like a really small person maphacking while so many people know who you are.



I doubt he really cares @ all. I hope blizzard reads these forums on TL.net, that would mean insta ban, but i think that's high wishing.
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-15 11:53:15
March 15 2011 11:52 GMT
#630
On March 15 2011 17:56 khazgore wrote:
Blizzard should put a lifetime ban on them in all their future games aswell. maphacking in starcraft 2 gives such a sick advantage, if the average master started maphacking he could probably have a chance against the best in the world.

I know a dude who got lifetime banned for botting in aion online ( he got banned when he made a new account ) and that doesent really give you any advantage over other players it only makes you level faster.

If i were this guys i would have felt like a really small person maphacking while so many people know who you are.

Isn't this what happens? Your battle.net account gets banned and any games connected gets locked out as well

But I don't think it matters, I doubt he connected any other games to this account, since he only used it to hack
C5Five
Profile Joined March 2011
England53 Posts
March 15 2011 13:32 GMT
#631
I can't understand why people get so freaked out about this.

It's not affecting tournaments or lans or big events since they're closely watched yet you bullhorn it like it was the crime of the century.

Btw, instead of crying hax and "mah points" on the ladder and forums, maybe all that whining should be directed at blizzard; You know, to encourage them to at least TRY to put a decent anti-cheat feature.

You'd think that such an enormous company with I forgot how many games could make an anti-cheat system at least as useful as some independent developers instead of relying on mass noob rule with their "push here to accuse someone of maphacking and send us a report that nobody will ever check considering the amount of other noobs doing the same thing a million times a day"...

People should also know the "hacker" definition of blizzard is VERY broad. For instance I got banned for 2 days for switching the thor model with the collector edition one (thx no check; Oh and it can also allow for model cheating btw like adding giant green circles so you can identify/see them coming from a mile away).

If that is the extent of their "hacking concerns" you can bet your ass maphackers are going to reign free...
Durp
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada3117 Posts
March 15 2011 13:33 GMT
#632
I thought one of the premises behind no-LAN was to make it harder to cheat/pirate? fail.
SOOOOOooooOOOOooooOOOOoo Many BANELINGS!!
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-15 14:29:20
March 15 2011 14:25 GMT
#633
On March 15 2011 22:32 C5Five wrote:
I can't understand why people get so freaked out about this.

It's not affecting tournaments or lans or big events since they're closely watched yet you bullhorn it like it was the crime of the century.

Btw, instead of crying hax and "mah points" on the ladder and forums, maybe all that whining should be directed at blizzard; You know, to encourage them to at least TRY to put a decent anti-cheat feature.

You'd think that such an enormous company with I forgot how many games could make an anti-cheat system at least as useful as some independent developers instead of relying on mass noob rule with their "push here to accuse someone of maphacking and send us a report that nobody will ever check considering the amount of other noobs doing the same thing a million times a day"...

People should also know the "hacker" definition of blizzard is VERY broad. For instance I got banned for 2 days for switching the thor model with the collector edition one (thx no check; Oh and it can also allow for model cheating btw like adding giant green circles so you can identify/see them coming from a mile away).

If that is the extent of their "hacking concerns" you can bet your ass maphackers are going to reign free...


Well, maphacking is pretty much the biggest "crime" you can make in SC2, bar some rare instances like Savior throwing games for money. NASL is also mostly going to be over online, so people are legitimately concerned about how easy it would be for a player to cheat during that event.

You're right about the community needing to raise this issue with Blizzard though. I agree with you in that they don't really check any of the hack reports because there are just so many more cases of wrong accusations flooding their inbox and they just don't have enough staff go through all those replays. They're most likely relying exclusively on their warden (which doesn't seem to work too well detecting private hacks and also doesn't prevent hacks from working in the first place) and the occasional cases that get widely publicized in the sc2 community (like this case). Neither of Josh Price or David Zhu has been banned yet though so hopefully they will take care of that ASAP because if they are left alone, it would send a wrong message to the community.
Azide
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada566 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-15 14:32:22
March 15 2011 14:31 GMT
#634
On March 15 2011 22:32 C5Five wrote:
I can't understand why people get so freaked out about this.

It's not affecting tournaments or lans or big events since they're closely watched yet you bullhorn it like it was the crime of the century.

Btw, instead of crying hax and "mah points" on the ladder and forums, maybe all that whining should be directed at blizzard; You know, to encourage them to at least TRY to put a decent anti-cheat feature.

You'd think that such an enormous company with I forgot how many games could make an anti-cheat system at least as useful as some independent developers instead of relying on mass noob rule with their "push here to accuse someone of maphacking and send us a report that nobody will ever check considering the amount of other noobs doing the same thing a million times a day"...

People should also know the "hacker" definition of blizzard is VERY broad. For instance I got banned for 2 days for switching the thor model with the collector edition one (thx no check; Oh and it can also allow for model cheating btw like adding giant green circles so you can identify/see them coming from a mile away).

If that is the extent of their "hacking concerns" you can bet your ass maphackers are going to reign free...


lol? Look at how many ONLINE tournaments there are compared to LAN's with big name players. The NASL even has ONLINE qualifiers.

Josh Price played in a LAN but from home ONLINE (since it was allowed :S)

It has a direct effect on everybody who plays in online tournaments and ladder. It's not just about "mah points"

And wow, Peter -- is it true you're still playing with him? I thought you said you removed him from friends.
If so, so very sad.
Azide and SuperNinja - Best Double Protoss 2v2 Team!
SecretA5DC
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)225 Posts
March 15 2011 18:14 GMT
#635
Found this to be a little amusing.

[image loading]

Checked the replay. He goes Double Racks at his Expo and magically knows where I am... So after some additional investigation.

[image loading]
[image loading]

I just happened to pick a few random games out of his long 2vs2 win streak from a day ago.

[image loading]

Seems like everyone related to this Sorcery person has access to hacks. GG ladder.
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46150 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-15 18:23:33
March 15 2011 18:21 GMT
#636
On March 16 2011 03:14 SecretA5DC wrote:
Found this to be a little amusing.

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

Checked the replay. He goes Double Racks at his Expo and magically knows where I am... So after some additional investigation.

[image loading]
[image loading]

I just happened to pick a few random games out of his long 2vs2 win streak from a day ago.

[image loading]


Seems like everyone related to this Sorcery person has access to hacks. GG ladder.


While we know that Sorcery and iGware are hackers, the people who they played with are not necessarily hackers and may have not been aware that their allies hacked. Regardless, make sure you can provide an in-game breakdown of their allies explicitly hacking and cheating if you're going to accuse their teammates of doing the same. Hacking is, after all, a serious offense. (Personally, I don't always pay attention to what my ally is doing all the time, and if I'm playing with a random ally, we don't always communicate. If I got paired up with a hacker, then I may very well have no idea!)
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Dubz
Profile Joined October 2010
United States242 Posts
March 15 2011 18:22 GMT
#637
Mindset is a pretty respected player you should have proof before you start slandering him. And in a game where you just accused him of hacking do you think hed blatantly go to your spawn? Just doesnt make sense to me
" mefjupl: if this game was balanced and we would find two players with almost same skills, in mirror match there would be a draw each game"
m3rciless
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1476 Posts
March 15 2011 18:26 GMT
#638
On March 16 2011 03:22 Dubz wrote:
Mindset is a pretty respected player you should have proof before you start slandering him. And in a game where you just accused him of hacking do you think hed blatantly go to your spawn? Just doesnt make sense to me


Lol deja vu amirite.
White-Ra fighting!
SecretA5DC
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)225 Posts
March 15 2011 18:44 GMT
#639
The guy claims to have never known about Sorcery maphacking. Yet he has 196+35 games played with him on 2vs2, dozens more on 3vs3 even up until yesterday.

Sounds pretty fishy to me. But if there's more people with the PinkPrincess syndrome in this post willing to defend him, more power to them I guess.
Pro]ChoSen-
Profile Joined December 2008
United States318 Posts
March 15 2011 18:54 GMT
#640
I've played 2v2 with and against Mindset... he doesn't hack at all.
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