iGware Hacking [ you decide ] reps included. - Page 31

On March 15 2011 07:51 Azide wrote:


The only replay worth having is from DxT's perspective as Sorcery drops from the game. I believe DxT was hacking while Sorcery was streaming.

What is the replay gonna prove from their perspective that's different from Protechs? Their in game chat? Maybe they use Skype or vent.

Last night Superninja and I played against these two twice last night and every game they would mass terran expo and feed protoss with blink stalker to start with mass gateways+upgrades into higher tech. Before they see any sign of banelings (and when they are pretty close to morphing in) Sorcery warps in like 6 sentries instead of stalkers which is their normal strategy.

And when the banelings are on the way to DxT (the idiot that he is) brings ALL sentries to his base to defend instead of splitting them up lol? And he basically plays chicken with the banelings as they are on their way to his base, he follows, then they go back to Sorcery's... he goes back to Sorcery's... all without vision.

That combined with the check for nydus and finding the two overlords at the time the nydus goes down is extremely extremely suspicious and undoubtedly hacking.

Sorcery may not be the one hacking in the games but DxT certainly is and relaying information to Sorcery somehow (skype/vent etc)

Also with the hack you can lock your screen position in the replay while looking @ opponents base so that proves nothing if they didn't directly look through fog

On March 15 2011 07:56 Caliber wrote:
well said Azide

it would be interesting to see if both players would ever stream their games live instead of just 1, because that allows the other to maphack

overall, sad story that he wanted to continue his hacking career in sc2..... i guess some people never learn

On March 15 2011 08:03 Ichabod wrote:

I know nothing about hacking aside from what I've read in this thread and other hackers' threads , but I was under the impression that (many, some?) hacks used are third party programs, so they shouldn't actually show up if you choose to just stream starcraft (with the 'hack' on another monitor, for instance).

On March 15 2011 07:57 PinkPrincess wrote:

I haven't even watched the replay yet since I'm at work, so I can't really address your points about the game itself, but to address this part:
Sorcery's stream records his mic + the sound they get in game (at least it did when we set it up; I haven't actually been actively watching his stream or anything like that), so they'd be sort of retarded to be talking about it and broadcasting it that way.

Yes they could mute the mic and talk over the phone or via a different computer (though I don't think Sorcery has a separate computer, and I'm nearly certain about this because there are a lot of times it would've come in handy for sniping/tracking if people are searching), but that seems a lot of work.
The reason the replay will be provided is that it supposedly has some chat from early game which corroborates the claim that they knew what strategy was going to be executed against them.

On March 15 2011 06:25 RandomRice wrote:


I can verify that the statements are legit. I took the time this weekend to meet with David Zhu to help clarify the issue for me. Both confessions are genuine.

Also, I want to put a word in for David Zhu. He was legitimately interested in helped Cal succeed in the CSL, but was unaware that alumni were prohibited from competing. All matches played under igware for the CSL were played by David(without hacks) with the exception of 1 (ace match vs Utah was apparently played by Sorcery -_-). However that is irrelevant as the matches overturned were under the basis that they were not registered Cal students(at the time ofthe season).

I cannot speak for Sorcery but based on my meeting with David, I can say that I believe him when he says that he has never hacked. He is a good, solid player(although not #1 in US quality, lol) who has a questionable choice of friends (ie Sorcery) who he allowed to get away with hacking/cheating on his igware account

On March 15 2011 08:48 AlphaFerg wrote:


Thanks for posting this. I really appreciated the effort that Cal put into the CSL matches, and the LAN, and I hate to see their name get smeared by unfortunate circumstances like this. It is a shame that you guys are out of the playoffs (though I can't admit to being a little happy that this allowed Davis to get in), but I really had a good time at the LAN, and look forward to next year's CSL. If we do end up doing any LANs down here in the cowtown, you guys will be the first to hear about it!

On March 15 2011 09:02 PinkPrincess wrote:

By the way, I just spoke to Sorcery, and he said that he played all the CSL games for David Zhu, not just that one ace match against Utah.

I assume if one had the replays handy, it would be relatively easy to compare hotkeys and the such. I don't know where the CSL replays are, however.

On March 15 2011 09:02 PinkPrincess wrote:

By the way, I just spoke to Sorcery, and he said that he played all the CSL games for David Zhu, not just that one ace match against Utah.

I assume if one had the replays handy, it would be relatively easy to compare hotkeys and the such. I don't know where the CSL replays are, however.

On March 15 2011 09:02 PinkPrincess wrote:

By the way, I just spoke to Sorcery, and he said that he played all the CSL games for David Zhu, not just that one ace match against Utah.

I assume if one had the replays handy, it would be relatively easy to compare hotkeys and the such. I don't know where the CSL replays are, however.

On March 15 2011 09:10 AlphaFerg wrote:


It honestly doesn't matter that much, Cal got punished and it serves as a good warning to all teams to make sure they know who is playing for them. I was just trying to thank RandomRice and the rest of the innocent Cal team members who are having to deal with all of this, because I feel that they are one of the teams that have gone above and beyond just being a team that plays in the CSL, and rather are helping the CSL grow and become even greater.

On March 15 2011 07:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:


To be fair, the fact that the community blacklists and casts out the cheaters and hackers, no matter how revered they once were (like Savior, even), shows that it is something to be taken seriously. It's handled the same in any sport or activity.

I think the reason that e-sports isn't taken seriously is because it's *just video games*, and it therefore has that negative stigma attached to it. The whole "rotting your brain" nonsense, rather than "doing something constructive".

We need to overcome that negative (and false) reputation in order to make e-sports bigger.

That being said, the existence of hackers and cheaters doesn't make any tournament for any activity or sport look good, and so Blizzard needs to crack down on these guys big time.

On March 15 2011 09:02 PinkPrincess wrote:

By the way, I just spoke to Sorcery, and he said that he played all the CSL games for David Zhu, not just that one ace match against Utah.

I assume if one had the replays handy, it would be relatively easy to compare hotkeys and the such. I don't know where the CSL replays are, however.

On March 15 2011 10:12 aike wrote:
How could a noob like you ever know a map hacker? Because he defends your cheese you call him hacker? nice.

On March 15 2011 11:08 101toss wrote:

You should actually read the OP.

On March 14 2011 03:20 TT1 wrote:
WTF why do i randomly always get mentioned in these threads