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dLKnighT
Canada735 Posts
On March 14 2011 13:22 FALAPARK wrote: wow i dindt believe hackers exist until today when i faced a guy that somehow anticipated all my moves... here http://www.sc2replayed.com/replays/149853-1v1-terran-protoss-backwater-gulch That guy was absolutely hacking. | ||
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KoshkaTV
United States430 Posts
How can we as fans ever trust non-LAN results? Observers aren't going to want to make an issue of it in games, they'll want to keep it quiet, because they won't know for sure either. I put no stock in online results. They can map hack, or they can just have active coaching while they play. And with money on the line they will. This is going to be an issue sooner or later, ignore it at your own risk tourney admins! | ||
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RandomRice
United States303 Posts
On March 15 2011 05:46 bLuR wrote: How do we know those people posting confessions are real..? I can verify that the statements are legit. I took the time this weekend to meet with David Zhu to help clarify the issue for me. Both confessions are genuine. Also, I want to put a word in for David Zhu. He was legitimately interested in helped Cal succeed in the CSL, but was unaware that alumni were prohibited from competing. All matches played under igware for the CSL were played by David(without hacks) with the exception of 1 (ace match vs Utah was apparently played by Sorcery -_-). However that is irrelevant as the matches overturned were under the basis that they were not registered Cal students(at the time ofthe season). I cannot speak for Sorcery but based on my meeting with David, I can say that I believe him when he says that he has never hacked. He is a good, solid player(although not #1 in US quality, lol) who has a questionable choice of friends (ie Sorcery) who he allowed to get away with hacking/cheating on his igware account | ||
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Yusafat
Estonia20 Posts
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PinkPrincess
United States149 Posts
On March 15 2011 06:25 RandomRice wrote: I can verify that the statements are legit. I took the time this weekend to meet with David Zhu to help clarify the issue for me. Both confessions are genuine. Also, I want to put a word in for David Zhu. He was legitimately interested in helped Cal succeed in the CSL, but was unaware that alumni were prohibited from competing. All matches played under igware for the CSL were played by David(without hacks) with the exception of 1 (ace match vs Utah was apparently played by Sorcery -_-). However that is irrelevant as the matches overturned were under the basis that they were not registered Cal students(at the time ofthe season). I cannot speak for Sorcery but based on my meeting with David, I can say that I believe him when he says that he has never hacked. He is a good, solid player(although not #1 in US quality, lol) who has a questionable choice of friends (ie Sorcery) who he allowed to get away with hacking/cheating. What?! David Zhu undoubtedly hacked. He even confessed to doing so in the past when we spoke this Friday. He said he quit 6 weeks ago or something to that effect, but he definitely was hacking on SC2 at one point. If he told you he never hacked himself, then he misled you. That said, I couldn't speak as to whether or not he hacked in CSL. That iGware account on the hack site genuinely was him, in case anyone was confused about that. | ||
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BetterFasterStronger
United States604 Posts
On March 15 2011 06:16 dsousa wrote: I noticed iGware is #2 in NA on Sc2ranks.com. How can we as fans ever trust non-LAN results? Observers aren't going to want to make an issue of it in games, they'll want to keep it quiet, because they won't know for sure either. I put no stock in online results. They can map hack, or they can just have active coaching while they play. And with money on the line they will. This is going to be an issue sooner or later, ignore it at your own risk tourney admins! iGware has fans? | ||
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RandomRice
United States303 Posts
As far as I'm concerned, the majority of igware's CSL matches are "legit"(as legit as they can be with alum playing). That's as far as I want to get involved in this affair. | ||
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GaryDaSnail
United States2 Posts
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Blacklizard
United States1194 Posts
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
On March 15 2011 06:16 dsousa wrote: I noticed iGware is #2 in NA on Sc2ranks.com. How can we as fans ever trust non-LAN results? Observers aren't going to want to make an issue of it in games, they'll want to keep it quiet, because they won't know for sure either. I put no stock in online results. They can map hack, or they can just have active coaching while they play. And with money on the line they will. This is going to be an issue sooner or later, ignore it at your own risk tourney admins! I completely agree :D, there are tons of players that perform online, but not on LAN, makes you wonder :D, yet the sc2 community still holds online tournaments within the highest regard, shame. | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On March 15 2011 06:25 RandomRice wrote: I can verify that the statements are legit. I took the time this weekend to meet with David Zhu to help clarify the issue for me. Both confessions are genuine. Also, I want to put a word in for David Zhu. He was legitimately interested in helped Cal succeed in the CSL, but was unaware that alumni were prohibited from competing. All matches played under igware for the CSL were played by David(without hacks) with the exception of 1 (ace match vs Utah was apparently played by Sorcery -_-). However that is irrelevant as the matches overturned were under the basis that they were not registered Cal students(at the time ofthe season). I cannot speak for Sorcery but based on my meeting with David, I can say that I believe him when he says that he has never hacked. He is a good, solid player(although not #1 in US quality, lol) who has a questionable choice of friends (ie Sorcery) who he allowed to get away with hacking/cheating on his igware account It's very, very difficult to believe that he simply isn't continuing to deceive you after all that's happened. Unless you were watching his screen while he was playing in those CSL matches, I won't believe whatever he is saying about "oh, but only 1 game was played by Sorcery" or that he didn't know about the alumni rule. According to their confessions, iGware is the one who got the maphack and suggested his own account to be used by Sorcery. Actually, iGware maphacked himself in the past according to PinkPrincess and that does not surprise me. I have a feeling that you wanting to protect the honor of Berkeley's CSL team is making you trying to defend David Zhu whether or not you realize it yourself, and well, David Zhu being a cheater has nothing to do with your team and it will not compromise your team's reputation. You guys are one of the victims of his lies, not conspirators. | ||
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HowSoOnIsNow
Canada480 Posts
On March 15 2011 06:25 RandomRice wrote: I can verify that the statements are legit. I took the time this weekend to meet with David Zhu to help clarify the issue for me. Both confessions are genuine. Also, I want to put a word in for David Zhu. He was legitimately interested in helped Cal succeed in the CSL, but was unaware that alumni were prohibited from competing. All matches played under igware for the CSL were played by David(without hacks) with the exception of 1 (ace match vs Utah was apparently played by Sorcery -_-). However that is irrelevant as the matches overturned were under the basis that they were not registered Cal students(at the time ofthe season). I cannot speak for Sorcery but based on my meeting with David, I can say that I believe him when he says that he has never hacked. He is a good, solid player(although not #1 in US quality, lol) who has a questionable choice of friends (ie Sorcery) who he allowed to get away with hacking/cheating on his igware account You know that guy? Dont you feel dirty? Tell him that the community think he`s a pathetic little "/$%@ And you know, if you got an Ace match, and you let someone play for you, that`s officially cheating right there. And not only it`s cheating, its cowardly cheating, because he uses Sorcery to hack. That right there, is why people arent taking Esports seriously. There`s nothing to stop those shit from doing it. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46478 Posts
On March 15 2011 07:12 HowSoOnIsNow wrote: And you know, if you got an Ace match, and you let someone play for you, that`s officially cheating right there. And not only it`s cheating, its cowardly cheating, because he uses Sorcery to hack. That right there, is why people arent taking Esports seriously. There`s nothing to stop those shit from doing it. To be fair, the fact that the community blacklists and casts out the cheaters and hackers, no matter how revered they once were (like Savior, even), shows that it is something to be taken seriously. It's handled the same in any sport or activity. I think the reason that e-sports isn't taken seriously is because it's *just video games*, and it therefore has that negative stigma attached to it. The whole "rotting your brain" nonsense, rather than "doing something constructive". We need to overcome that negative (and false) reputation in order to make e-sports bigger. That being said, the existence of hackers and cheaters doesn't make any tournament for any activity or sport look good, and so Blizzard needs to crack down on these guys big time. | ||
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assLand
12 Posts
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RandomRice
United States303 Posts
On March 15 2011 07:26 assLand wrote: man I'm a berkeley alumuna, and I'm shocked that iGware was not insta banned from the team. we might not field the best starcraft team but i sure know we aren't dumb. get rid of this guy, hacking or not. We did have one of the strongest teams in our division prior to igware. This affair happened at the end of the season. | ||
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frozt_
United States234 Posts
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Azide
Canada566 Posts
On March 15 2011 06:05 PinkPrincess wrote: Because I know the people involved and confirmed it (after initially defending them so vociferously). With regards to that replay Protech just posted - Sorcery livestreams all his games as it is. I spoke with DxT over Facebook, and he sent me the replay of that game from their perspective. I'll post it up when I get home and have taken a look at it. e: hi Marko e2: and I agree that coogi looked extremely hackerish on BW for what it's worth. The only replay worth having is from DxT's perspective as Sorcery drops from the game. I believe DxT was hacking while Sorcery was streaming. What is the replay gonna prove from their perspective that's different from Protechs? Their in game chat? Maybe they use Skype or vent. Last night Superninja and I played against these two twice last night and every game they would mass terran expo and feed protoss with blink stalker to start with mass gateways+upgrades into higher tech. Before they see any sign of banelings (and when they are pretty close to morphing in) Sorcery warps in like 6 sentries instead of stalkers which is their normal strategy. And when the banelings are on the way to DxT (the idiot that he is) brings ALL sentries to his base to defend instead of splitting them up lol? And he basically plays chicken with the banelings as they are on their way to his base, he follows, then they go back to Sorcery's... he goes back to Sorcery's... all without vision. That combined with the check for nydus and finding the two overlords at the time the nydus goes down is extremely extremely suspicious and undoubtedly hacking. Sorcery may not be the one hacking in the games but DxT certainly is and relaying information to Sorcery somehow (skype/vent etc) Also with the hack you can lock your screen position in the replay while looking @ opponents base so that proves nothing if they didn't directly look through fog | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
I have to say: I hope these hacks are restricted to a selected few. I remember there was some hacker "shadowfrench" in Warcraft III and he spread his maphack freely in the community. It was a DISASTER, maphack ran freely and time after time Blizzard was behind. When Blizzard found a way to catch the hackers and permaban a couple thousand accounts, a new way of hacking was introduced. I can only hope that this never happens to SCII. | ||
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Caliber
United States598 Posts
it would be interesting to see if both players would ever stream their games live instead of just 1, because that allows the other to maphack overall, sad story that he wanted to continue his hacking career in sc2..... i guess some people never learn | ||
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shaunnn
Ireland1230 Posts
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