EPTProTech, good job bringing this up. Maybe we should nickname you "oGstheSTC of the NA server". In case you don't know, he is pretty well known in Korea for catching cheaters. As a sidenote though, I do hope that you try to behave a little more nicely on bnet from this point as your reputation doesn't seem to be great and things like that can matter when you're trying to accuse others of hacking, as shown in this thread.
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
ProTech, good job bringing this up. Maybe we should nickname you "oGstheSTC of the NA server". In case you don't know, he is pretty well known in Korea for catching cheaters. As a sidenote though, I do hope that you try to behave a little more nicely on bnet from this point as your reputation doesn't seem to be great and things like that can matter when you're trying to accuse others of hacking, as shown in this thread. | ||
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Azide
Canada566 Posts
Once upon a time, Protech and I were rivals and our 2's team would lose lots of games to them. Then we would beat them lots. Then we'd split. We play double protoss (suicide) so we would be frustrated when we lost to ling/marine all in type play. Or 6 pool forcing us to get cannons while other guy gets fast 4 gate stalkers (you instantly lose because you are behind in tech and cannon's wont save you at that point). Anyways....... he would BM us all the time and I hated his guts. So I'd BM him back. Then randomly out of the blue.... I think he came to a realization that double protoss is incredibly hard to be successful with and he gained respect for us and just started treating me differently so we became friends and he's a nice guy. Part of playing team games in SC2 is about the drama and BM to make it fun (not that I agree with it 100%) but it's pretty easy to call out a BM player while still being BM yourself. | ||
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PokePill
United States1048 Posts
On March 12 2011 20:02 PinkPrincess wrote: For myself, I'm sorry I spent so much time defending Sorcery. I genuinely believed him and mutual friends who told me he did not hack (and to be clear - a lot of the evidence Protech presented here I still do not believe is particularly conclusive). I saw my friend under attack from evidence that I did not believe was particularly conclusive, and thus I jumped in to start defending him. What is conclusive to me is that I spoke with iGware and others on Bnet (prior to this series of confessions being posted), and they told me that Josh does indeed hack [in fact, I first heard it a couple hours ago]. After this, I talked with him for a while, and he agreed to post the confession above (not that I specifically endorse the contents - but I felt that he should post a confession here, as opposed to simply disappearing or trying to continue hiding it). I do not believe there is any excuse for ever hacking. While iGware and others acted as enablers by keeping his secrets from me and others, it was ultimately his decision to hack, and no excuses can account for that. I'm sorry that the situation ended up this way, but I am glad that the truth ultimately came out. I believe that Sorcery is a genuinely good player (even apart from hacking), and I hope he will try to demonstrate this by showing his skill in 1v1 ladder while always live streaming his games as he plays (I and others helped him earlier this evening with setting up a livestream, as at that point I believed him when he claimed not to hack and wanted to help him demonstrate it to others) I said earlier if people determined conclusively that he hacked, you could ban me; I stand by that if you wish (I'm not going to beg to be banned, but I cannot rightfully complain if you do, considering I said the words) Note: I confirm that the above people posting are the REAL posters, even though they only have 1 post each. It's not some troll attempt by people. This sounds like 100% complete and utter bullshit. You probably have over 500 games logged with the guy. You SAY you've been playing with him for years (so it's probably more like 5000 - 15000 games) and he's hacked the entire time most likely since he hacked in DOTA and he still hacks now. You've posted 20 times in threads defending him. When you play with someone that maphacks, it doesn't take very long to figure it out and there are plenty of "competitve team game" players who sit there and don't care, because they are not the ones actually maphacking. You are no better than he is, you are probably worse because I doubt he deludes himself into thinking he's something he's not. | ||
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naventus
United States1339 Posts
Fuck even S2 managed to do that with HoN. | ||
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Greenworld
93 Posts
On March 13 2011 03:24 Sein wrote: PinkPrincess, I think they should just give you a few days of temporary ban as a formal response to what you said - "Go ahead and ban me if these guys actually turn out to be hackers" - but definitely not a permanent one since it doesn't look like you're a hacker yourself and you didn't behave badly in this thread. However, I hope you've learned a lesson from this incident. Please don't blindly trust anyone and defend them in such passionate manner when so many people, including several pros are expressing suspicions. At least stay quiet and let them defend themselves with their own excuses. Well him and i mainly did it before most pros came and posted about their opinions in the games they had with that person. The main reason i defended them was the guy who created the threat is so cocky and even if some of the things he pointed out were proven wrong he kept insulting/ignoreing the ones that weren't at "his lvl of enlightment" i had to do it  .And punishing the oposite faction because , well we did watch the replays and analize it and this is what we should do while keeping a civilized choice of words as much as we can . If not you can just ban me with the pinkprincess :D | ||
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Resilient
United Kingdom1431 Posts
On March 13 2011 03:47 naventus wrote: I don't understand how Blizzard could delay this game so much and not even put out a difficult to hack game. Fuck even S2 managed to do that with HoN. S2 stores ALL information on their servers which basically means unless you gain access to their mainframe, no hack can exist. SC2 is mostly done client-side, as with all Blizzard games. Which means it's a hacker paradise. | ||
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Gak2
Canada418 Posts
Banning the people who defended him is probably too much, but perhaps a list of shame with all their names on the first post will make them learn how to not be so gullible  | ||
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khazgore
Norway104 Posts
at the second replay at like 3.20 when the lings were coming he blinged there without scouting em? Also i can see that his pretending his not hacking, rallying units to the enemys base at the time he checks the fog of war. he was scouting your bases in the second game while he was rallying the banshee there. Just swapping through the replays its hard to see any cheating at all, but when you study it a little bit its easy to see they are cheating... | ||
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RHMVNovus
United States738 Posts
On March 13 2011 03:43 PokePill wrote: This sounds like 100% complete and utter bullshit. You probably have over 500 games logged with the guy. You SAY you've been playing with him for years (so it's probably more like 5000 - 15000 games) and he's hacked the entire time most likely since he hacked in DOTA and he still hacks now. You've posted 20 times in threads defending him. When you play with someone that maphacks, it doesn't take very long to figure it out and there are plenty of "competitve team game" players who sit there and don't care, because they are not the ones actually maphacking. You are no better than he is, you are probably worse because I doubt he deludes himself into thinking he's something he's not. The witch hunt's over. There's no need for this. I'm glad they came out and ended this argument. Hopefully that will signal the end of the acrimony. | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On March 13 2011 03:50 Greenworld wrote: Well him and i mainly did it before most pros came and posted about their opinions in the games they had with that person. The main reason i defended them was the guy who created the threat is so cocky and even if some of the things he pointed out were proven wrong he kept insulting/ignoreing the ones that weren't at "his lvl of enlightment" i had to do it .And punishing the oposite faction because , well we did watch the replays and analize it and this is what we should do while keeping a civilized choice of words as much as we can . If not you can just ban me with the pinkprincess :D I'm talking about this post: On March 12 2011 15:57 PinkPrincess wrote: To whoever asked to put up: the mods can absolutely ban me if they want if there is definitive proof found of him hacking (I don't just mean a panel of random respected people deciding that he hacks) Having made that statement, he does deserve at least a slap on the wrist to let it serve as a lesson. If you say something like "the mods can/will ban me for this" on here, then you will get what you asked for. PinkPrincess actually continued to defend them after the pros came in. He even tried to suggest that Ret's opinion on this matter isn't that credible because he supposedly has a "history" with iGware. I agree that some of ProTech's points weren't all that convincing, but he also had many other points that were actually convincing and I think you should have taken some time to go over those if you really wanted to defend iGware and Sorcery. | ||
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RtS-Schism
United States25 Posts
On March 13 2011 03:30 RevRich wrote: So...protech is on teams with the guys he is accusing? Wow this is like an episode of Jerry Springer. Anyways, its cool that those 2 waterheads were exposed for cheating. Kinda sad that a company like blizzard, with their massive resources, can't stop hacking 100%. ProTech said in his first post he played games with them until he recognized that they were cheating. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46483 Posts
On March 13 2011 04:25 RtS-Schism wrote: ProTech said in his first post he played games with them until he recognized that they were cheating. Right. Besides, if ProTech was cheating, wouldn't the two hackers have called him out on it when they admitted to cheating? That being said, I know nothing about ProTech, so I'm not vouching for him personally. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On March 13 2011 03:47 naventus wrote: I don't understand how Blizzard could delay this game so much and not even put out a difficult to hack game. Fuck even S2 managed to do that with HoN. It would be very server side intensive to use the HoN method. But considering Blizzards wealth they definitely could do it. | ||
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NrT.RuSH
Germany214 Posts
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NrT.RuSH
Germany214 Posts
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Baarn
United States2702 Posts
On March 13 2011 04:37 infinity2k9 wrote: It would be very server side intensive to use the HoN method. But considering Blizzards wealth they definitely could do it. Yeah Blizzard could involved and revolutionize cloud gaming but there are other ways they could break most of this without having to rewrite their games. | ||
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jester-
Canada547 Posts
On March 13 2011 04:44 NrT.RuSH wrote: although they both admitted to hacking/cheating. I still think they are very good players and its sad they had to hack to win. They could easly post 70% win without it. 70% win rate with diamond apm and macro? Doubt they would even be in masters based on what I saw of his games. Pretty hard to tell though when the guy can see everything you are doing and making... Also, the guy who keeps calling for a temp ban or w/e; while I agree, you are walking the line on backseat moderating and I'd just sit back at this point and the mods will punish if they see fit. | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On March 13 2011 04:48 jester- wrote: 70% win rate with diamond apm and macro? Doubt they would even be in masters based on what I saw of his games. Pretty hard to tell though when the guy can see everything you are doing and making... Also, the guy who keeps calling for a temp ban or w/e; while I agree, you are walking the line on backseat moderating and I'd just sit back at this point and the mods will punish if they see fit. Right, I will stop on the banning issue now. I've only made two posts about it anyway with one of them being a response to the guy who misunderstood my initial point. | ||
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ROOTdrewbie
Canada1392 Posts
On March 13 2011 04:48 jester- wrote: 70% win rate with diamond apm and macro? Doubt they would even be in masters based on what I saw of his games. Pretty hard to tell though when the guy can see everything you are doing and making... Also, the guy who keeps calling for a temp ban or w/e; while I agree, you are walking the line on backseat moderating and I'd just sit back at this point and the mods will punish if they see fit. he was talking about 2v2 of course. pretty disappointing that he was hacking, althought it was nice of him to admit it. Lots of people accused Sorcery of hacking like 6-8 months ago, so I doubt that his main id is "pure" like he said. | ||
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cHaNg-sTa
United States1058 Posts
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