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grobo
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Japan6199 Posts
March 12 2011 12:35 GMT
#261
The scary thing about this is that people are so naive that they actually believe some random no-namer can come from nowhere and rape his way up to the global top 10 with diamond mechanics and zero scouting. Seriously people, use some common sense, if a completely unknown guy comes from nowhere and reaches top 10 globally that in itself is suspicous enough, combine that with numerous top players claiming that his play was very suspicious, it's seriously not even worth discussing.

Throwing down 6 bunkers without even scouting the lings/blings, seriously.
We make signature, then defense it.
Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
March 12 2011 12:37 GMT
#262
On March 12 2011 20:53 Aim Here wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2011 20:29 Jinsho wrote:
Had they not admitted to cheating, they'd still be defended even now by players who think that all evidence is ever merely circumstantial. That was so pathetic to read.


To be fair, until the admission, the evidence given was circumstantial though - by themselves almost all of the little bits of dubious behaviour had alternative, innocent explanations. I've gambled by making proxy structures on Metalopolis before scouting the bad guy's base, for instance. (of course my luck being what it is, the proxy ended up being further from the bad guy's base than my own base!). Circumstantial evidence is still good evidence, it just can't establish guilt on its own.

Of course, as more of this evidence piles up, the innocent explanation becomes more tenuous and less likely.


Your analogy is false. There is no way you will be able to attain rank 2 in NA if you gamble that way, as your rank most probably demonstrates. Thus claiming that him blindly proxying can have some "innocent" explanation relies on premises that are not coherent with the reality of the situation. Indeed the evidence is based upon circumstance, but those circumstances are quite damning.
♞ Against the Wind - Bob Seger ♞
Jakkerr
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands2549 Posts
March 12 2011 12:53 GMT
#263
Just look at how he plays even without 100% proof he's hacking
he plays so bad with completely random decision making, like that would ever get you to R1 NA.

If I do that I get demoted to platinum -.- just saying
Holdinga
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Bulgaria300 Posts
March 12 2011 12:57 GMT
#264
On March 12 2011 21:16 GenocideRun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2011 21:10 Holdinga wrote:
Don't have much time for all the reps, but I watched the third rep, and it is DAMN obvious. Combining that, and with what Ret said, for example, I can laugh to all people that try to defend that ( or those ) pathetic hacker/s. I left competitive CS because of hacking, later on competitive DotA because of hacking, I hope it does not repeat with sc2.


You do realize there were like 4 actual good competeive players that hacked in dota, right? Two of them from TEG, and then there was Sorcery(This guy here)? No reason to say dota was plagued by hacking -.-




Just to let you know, the two guys from TeG that were hacking had a direct influence on my "career" since I was in my country's best dota team and lost to teg pretty badly and we were very demotivated to keep on playing because we would always beat teg in the past, and when that KENGA guy joined their team they suddenly became strong and raped us. (All of these things are waaay back in the past like 2-3-4 years ago btw)

Aside from that, I have a "friend" that plays almost everyday for the past 5 years public dotas in garena. He has used a hack almost everytime he plays (and he is still a horrible player). He is also pretty stupid, and if a stupid guy like him can get his hands on a hack, then i guess everyone can. I also started disrespecting him a lot IRL because of that and dont like him anymore as a person (some people may say this is not right of me because they would say it's just a game, chill you shouldnt be that harsh to him, BUT, yes it IS just a game, however if you are a hacker in a game, then you are an ASSHOLE real life, and you lie to people etc... there is a lot I could say about this, but i dont really want to waste your time)
cubert
Profile Joined June 2010
Russian Federation94 Posts
March 12 2011 13:31 GMT
#265
I hope they will be banned everywhere forever, not the same as broodwar's 1-2 years ban.
Pete!
Profile Joined October 2010
56 Posts
March 12 2011 13:32 GMT
#266
Town wins!
This game seemed to have a pretty unfair Red:Blue ratio if my estimates are correct. Mafia almost succeeded in misguiding several Greens and Blues but clearly not enough.

Either way, my best guesses:

iGware - Godfather
Sorcery - Mafia
VertigoX23 - Mafia(?)
Greenworld - Mafia(?)

Liquid`Nazgul - Mayor
Liquid`Ret - Bodyguard
Liquid`HuK - Bodyguard
bLuR - Veteran
drewbie.root - Veteran
CatZ.root - Veteran
PinkPrincess - Medic(?)

Everyone else - Vanilla



In all seriousness, however good it is for the community to be able to thwart cheaters like this, I'd recommend caution to everyone who feels the need to express themselves so caustically, regardless of which 'side' they're representing. A vast majority of the posts in this thread seem unnecessary and many don't move the discussion forward in either direction - be it a lynch or a save. (In fact, more than one person who was correct about iGware has embarrassed themselves through their behaviour in this thread.)
Lochat
Profile Joined January 2011
United States270 Posts
March 12 2011 13:32 GMT
#267
I don't think you people know what circumstantial evidence is.

You're really not making a good epistemological defense on what constitutes justified belief, without some sort of absurd idea of "hard" proof which ranges from anywhere from empirical (which the replay showed, and more blatant ones would show only to a more obvious extent, but the venue of evidence is the same) or some sort of absurd Cartesian proof that is effectively impossible.

The vast majority of serious criminals are put away on "circumstantial" evidence. I'm honestly curious what the people saying that it isn't an apparent hack thinks would be reasonable evidence? If replays of him doing it aren't enough, I'm curious what would convince you?
"The trouble was that he was talking in philosophy, but they were listening in gibberish." -- (Terry Pratchett, Small Gods)
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7032 Posts
March 12 2011 13:39 GMT
#268
If you let a pro player use hacks, do they become unbeatable? Sorcerer doesn't strike me as a great player, yet he was still able to get very far with it. What if some participant in the TSL3 decided to hack, would he be able to easily win the tournament?
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
andrewwiggin
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia435 Posts
March 12 2011 13:45 GMT
#269
wow. gotta love the 1st perspective cam features. Blizzard did good with that.


.. AND why haven't they banned him yet.. ??????

hate nub hackers.
smacky
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States108 Posts
March 12 2011 13:57 GMT
#270
On March 12 2011 22:39 Grumbels wrote:
If you let a pro player use hacks, do they become unbeatable? Sorcerer doesn't strike me as a great player, yet he was still able to get very far with it. What if some participant in the TSL3 decided to hack, would he be able to easily win the tournament?


sadly i think if the player was slow and methodical they could do just that...imo this whole event highlights a sad fact for non-lan based esports...cheaters will go undetected and defended until they are done winning with the cheat or get cold busted by giving tells that a smarter player may be able to avoid for some time...tsl, bliz, etc need a back door to the replay to detect for shit like this
all i want is flying zerglings....fling!! make it a micro
StUfF
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia1437 Posts
March 12 2011 14:01 GMT
#271
If anything, this proves how important scouting/information and army control/movement based on that is in SC2. A decent player with MH can get #1 server beating alot of pros without being blantly obviously maphacking/countering builds.

Holdinga
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Bulgaria300 Posts
March 12 2011 14:03 GMT
#272
On March 12 2011 22:31 cubert wrote:
I hope they will be banned everywhere forever, not the same as broodwar's 1-2 years ban.


Absolutely agree. There is no excuse for hacking. People that hack do not deserve to play the game ever.
Demonace34
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2493 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-12 14:06:50
March 12 2011 14:05 GMT
#273
I have a question, why not ninja scout everything anyway since they know it is there so people don't catch on to their shenanigans? They are dumb enough to hack and cheat, but still can't figure out that people MAY catch on to their blind, no scouting and hard countering of their opponents strategy.

Good riddance. I think any form of cheating in such a competitive game should be given no second chances. I would hate to be these guys and go to sleep at night knowing I've wasted thousands of games, not to mention, hours upon hours of my time beating people who are better than me due to a third party application.

Sad to think he is ranked #1 in his division with a 60% win ratio while cheating and a 75% win ratio in over 3400 league games on battlenet. Wish it didn't take this long to catch such filthy douche bag(s).
NaNiwa|IdrA|HuK|iNcontroL|Jinro|NonY|Day[9]|PuMa|HerO|MMA|NesTea|NaDa|Boxer|Ryung|
Whizon
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands64 Posts
March 12 2011 14:09 GMT
#274
That is a damn shame. SC2 isn't the game to get away with it. So many eyes. Good thing for the game/eSports as a whole it came out, got grabbed by the neck and choked to confess. Big Brother SC2 community watches thee. But in another way a sad day nevertheless.
Live and learn.
Shameless
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands349 Posts
March 12 2011 14:15 GMT
#275
The only thing i don't get from all of this is why when i check Sorcery and igWare on the sc2ranks site the name Hackprotech keeps popping up in various teams on their same side, i saw one where he is in a 2v2 team with Sorcery thats on a 25-0 streak, anyways, i hate hackers.
Liquid'HuK "That's Halo, don't worry"
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
March 12 2011 14:20 GMT
#276
What scares me is that I just realized how powerful the production tab hack can be. If you are an intelligent player who scouts what he sees the opponent doing via production you can always look like you are a legit player with ridiculous game sense. It's a million times more dangerous to online play than map hack
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
March 12 2011 14:25 GMT
#277
On March 12 2011 23:20 floor exercise wrote:
What scares me is that I just realized how powerful the production tab hack can be. If you are an intelligent player who scouts what he sees the opponent doing via production you can always look like you are a legit player with ridiculous game sense. It's a million times more dangerous to online play than map hack

Yeah, that is pretty huge 0o

Not only is it infinitely harder to catch but against races like Zerg you know EXACTLY what they are doing, down to their exact drone count.

I hope there is something Blizzard could do, at least with Maphacks the guy just can't keep hovering over your base all game long without being caught.
wherebugsgo
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Japan10647 Posts
March 12 2011 14:41 GMT
#278
This is a good reason why tournaments should be run in a LAN setting. For complete 100% security they should be offline, but unfortunately SC2 is not structured to run that way. LAN needs to come back.

Aren't the NASL qualifiers online? I sincerely hope they have ways to thwart hacking so that stuff like this never happens.

CrY.
Profile Joined July 2010
Japan97 Posts
March 12 2011 14:42 GMT
#279
Who cares, protech is the worst mannered player in history right next to naniwa.

Stop posting for attention and go get good at 1s, 2s is just a way to break the game balance with idiotic cheese combos. Get real dude.

User was warned for this post
BeMannerDuPenner
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Germany5638 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-12 14:46:02
March 12 2011 14:43 GMT
#280
oh what a joyful read. a good old full blown hack drama. how much i loved those back in the bwcl days. also it had it all, well presented accusation, many nay sayers, some big guys chiming in to support the idea and it ended with a nice finale of them confessing it. great.

now blizz just needs to delete all their accounts and we are good to go.




but ya its a big issue in sc2. stuff doesnt get detected and its entirely possible to make completly undetectable hacks for sc2 (there was a discussion about bnets infrastructure back in the beta days). dunno if the community can do anything against that with some launcher or whatever but guess no one but R1ch knows that and even then i guess special private hacks would still be unaffected.

i always thought it would be stupidly easy to get into top 200 with a hack.didnt expect that evry scrub can get to #1 tho. guess thats a side effect of sc2 beeing way more "glorified rock/paper/scissor" then bw
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