EPTThrowing down 6 bunkers without even scouting the lings/blings, seriously.
iGware Hacking [ you decide ] reps included. - Page 14
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grobo
Japan6199 Posts
Throwing down 6 bunkers without even scouting the lings/blings, seriously. | ||
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Grend
1600 Posts
On March 12 2011 20:53 Aim Here wrote: To be fair, until the admission, the evidence given was circumstantial though - by themselves almost all of the little bits of dubious behaviour had alternative, innocent explanations. I've gambled by making proxy structures on Metalopolis before scouting the bad guy's base, for instance. (of course my luck being what it is, the proxy ended up being further from the bad guy's base than my own base!). Circumstantial evidence is still good evidence, it just can't establish guilt on its own. Of course, as more of this evidence piles up, the innocent explanation becomes more tenuous and less likely. Your analogy is false. There is no way you will be able to attain rank 2 in NA if you gamble that way, as your rank most probably demonstrates. Thus claiming that him blindly proxying can have some "innocent" explanation relies on premises that are not coherent with the reality of the situation. Indeed the evidence is based upon circumstance, but those circumstances are quite damning. | ||
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
he plays so bad with completely random decision making, like that would ever get you to R1 NA. If I do that I get demoted to platinum -.- just saying | ||
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Holdinga
Bulgaria300 Posts
On March 12 2011 21:16 GenocideRun wrote: You do realize there were like 4 actual good competeive players that hacked in dota, right? Two of them from TEG, and then there was Sorcery(This guy here)? No reason to say dota was plagued by hacking -.- Just to let you know, the two guys from TeG that were hacking had a direct influence on my "career" since I was in my country's best dota team and lost to teg pretty badly and we were very demotivated to keep on playing because we would always beat teg in the past, and when that KENGA guy joined their team they suddenly became strong and raped us. (All of these things are waaay back in the past like 2-3-4 years ago btw) Aside from that, I have a "friend" that plays almost everyday for the past 5 years public dotas in garena. He has used a hack almost everytime he plays (and he is still a horrible player). He is also pretty stupid, and if a stupid guy like him can get his hands on a hack, then i guess everyone can. I also started disrespecting him a lot IRL because of that and dont like him anymore as a person (some people may say this is not right of me because they would say it's just a game, chill you shouldnt be that harsh to him, BUT, yes it IS just a game, however if you are a hacker in a game, then you are an ASSHOLE real life, and you lie to people etc... there is a lot I could say about this, but i dont really want to waste your time) | ||
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cubert
Russian Federation94 Posts
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Pete!
56 Posts
This game seemed to have a pretty unfair Red:Blue ratio if my estimates are correct. Mafia almost succeeded in misguiding several Greens and Blues but clearly not enough. Either way, my best guesses: iGware - Godfather Sorcery - Mafia VertigoX23 - Mafia(?) Greenworld - Mafia(?) Liquid`Nazgul - Mayor Liquid`Ret - Bodyguard Liquid`HuK - Bodyguard bLuR - Veteran drewbie.root - Veteran CatZ.root - Veteran PinkPrincess - Medic(?) Everyone else - Vanilla  In all seriousness, however good it is for the community to be able to thwart cheaters like this, I'd recommend caution to everyone who feels the need to express themselves so caustically, regardless of which 'side' they're representing. A vast majority of the posts in this thread seem unnecessary and many don't move the discussion forward in either direction - be it a lynch or a save. (In fact, more than one person who was correct about iGware has embarrassed themselves through their behaviour in this thread.) | ||
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Lochat
United States270 Posts
You're really not making a good epistemological defense on what constitutes justified belief, without some sort of absurd idea of "hard" proof which ranges from anywhere from empirical (which the replay showed, and more blatant ones would show only to a more obvious extent, but the venue of evidence is the same) or some sort of absurd Cartesian proof that is effectively impossible. The vast majority of serious criminals are put away on "circumstantial" evidence. I'm honestly curious what the people saying that it isn't an apparent hack thinks would be reasonable evidence? If replays of him doing it aren't enough, I'm curious what would convince you? | ||
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Grumbels
Netherlands7032 Posts
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andrewwiggin
Australia435 Posts
.. AND why haven't they banned him yet.. ?????? hate nub hackers. | ||
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smacky
United States108 Posts
On March 12 2011 22:39 Grumbels wrote: If you let a pro player use hacks, do they become unbeatable? Sorcerer doesn't strike me as a great player, yet he was still able to get very far with it. What if some participant in the TSL3 decided to hack, would he be able to easily win the tournament? sadly i think if the player was slow and methodical they could do just that...imo this whole event highlights a sad fact for non-lan based esports...cheaters will go undetected and defended until they are done winning with the cheat or get cold busted by giving tells that a smarter player may be able to avoid for some time...tsl, bliz, etc need a back door to the replay to detect for shit like this | ||
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StUfF
Australia1437 Posts
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Holdinga
Bulgaria300 Posts
On March 12 2011 22:31 cubert wrote: I hope they will be banned everywhere forever, not the same as broodwar's 1-2 years ban. Absolutely agree. There is no excuse for hacking. People that hack do not deserve to play the game ever. | ||
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Demonace34
United States2493 Posts
Good riddance. I think any form of cheating in such a competitive game should be given no second chances. I would hate to be these guys and go to sleep at night knowing I've wasted thousands of games, not to mention, hours upon hours of my time beating people who are better than me due to a third party application. Sad to think he is ranked #1 in his division with a 60% win ratio while cheating and a 75% win ratio in over 3400 league games on battlenet. Wish it didn't take this long to catch such filthy douche bag(s). | ||
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Whizon
Netherlands64 Posts
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Shameless
Netherlands349 Posts
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floor exercise
Canada5847 Posts
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Dommk
Australia4865 Posts
On March 12 2011 23:20 floor exercise wrote: What scares me is that I just realized how powerful the production tab hack can be. If you are an intelligent player who scouts what he sees the opponent doing via production you can always look like you are a legit player with ridiculous game sense. It's a million times more dangerous to online play than map hack Yeah, that is pretty huge 0o Not only is it infinitely harder to catch but against races like Zerg you know EXACTLY what they are doing, down to their exact drone count. I hope there is something Blizzard could do, at least with Maphacks the guy just can't keep hovering over your base all game long without being caught. | ||
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wherebugsgo
Japan10647 Posts
Aren't the NASL qualifiers online? I sincerely hope they have ways to thwart hacking so that stuff like this never happens. | ||
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CrY.
Japan97 Posts
Stop posting for attention and go get good at 1s, 2s is just a way to break the game balance with idiotic cheese combos. Get real dude. User was warned for this post | ||
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BeMannerDuPenner
Germany5638 Posts
now blizz just needs to delete all their accounts and we are good to go. but ya its a big issue in sc2. stuff doesnt get detected and its entirely possible to make completly undetectable hacks for sc2 (there was a discussion about bnets infrastructure back in the beta days). dunno if the community can do anything against that with some launcher or whatever but guess no one but R1ch knows that and even then i guess special private hacks would still be unaffected. i always thought it would be stupidly easy to get into top 200 with a hack.didnt expect that evry scrub can get to #1 tho. guess thats a side effect of sc2 beeing way more "glorified rock/paper/scissor" then bw | ||
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