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XsebT
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Denmark2980 Posts
March 12 2011 11:22 GMT
#241
Wow, lol.

Disappointing that Blizzard isn't able to keep this shit out though.
화이팅
Grend
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
1600 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-12 11:26:35
March 12 2011 11:25 GMT
#242
That was a fun read. Kudos for caving in and admitting.

EDIT: So entertaining to read all the posts defending them in retrospect.
♞ Against the Wind - Bob Seger ♞
GenocideRun
Profile Joined July 2010
United States262 Posts
March 12 2011 11:25 GMT
#243
LOL, Sorc gets caught hacking in yet another game. No "I had it on for TDA" excuses here buddy.

That said, this really doesn't surprise. Josh has been shady as hell in every game he plays. Hope I never have to see him anywhere again. Grats to OP for finding him out.
Genocide.run, Dota2 player and sc2 fan!
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
March 12 2011 11:26 GMT
#244
On March 12 2011 20:18 nalgene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2011 19:57 Logros wrote:
Oh come on.

-He teams with someone who is a known hacker from other games, or it's even the same person.
-He flies to the top of the ladder all of the sudden while noone knows who he is.
-He play like someone in diamond but has 'magical best-in-the-world game-sense' even though he hardly scouts.
-He doesn't attend any live events.
-Multiple well-known players have stated that they played suspicious games against him.

You don't have to be Sherlock Holmes to see what's going on here. I can't believe there's still people defending this guy.

sc2 / sjow hardly scouts+good game sense

good game sense from playing...


You solved it, he's actually not a hacker that makes sense.
Woony
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany6657 Posts
March 12 2011 11:26 GMT
#245
On March 12 2011 20:22 XsebT wrote:
Wow, lol.

Disappointing that Blizzard isn't able to keep this shit out though.


They ban in waves in all their games ever since Warden was introduced.
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-12 11:31:03
March 12 2011 11:27 GMT
#246
Hard to believe these hackers were ranked #1 on NA and Top 5 in the world on ladder.


This is some truly shameful shit. Lifetime ban from ladder and tournament play would be appropriate. There's no place in the community for hackers.
Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-12 11:30:22
March 12 2011 11:29 GMT
#247
Had they not admitted to cheating, they'd still be defended even now by players who think that all evidence is ever merely circumstantial. That was so pathetic to read.
Quakie
Profile Joined October 2008
Norway725 Posts
March 12 2011 11:30 GMT
#248
Yeah, agree. Especially because they have done it in other games as well. How old are they anyways? Just embarassing.
XsebT
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Denmark2980 Posts
March 12 2011 11:30 GMT
#249
On March 12 2011 20:26 Woony wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2011 20:22 XsebT wrote:
Wow, lol.

Disappointing that Blizzard isn't able to keep this shit out though.


They ban in waves in all their games ever since Warden was introduced.

Sure, but that doesn't close the holes in the game design.
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Tyree
Profile Joined November 2010
1508 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-12 11:43:34
March 12 2011 11:42 GMT
#250
On March 12 2011 20:29 Jinsho wrote:
Had they not admitted to cheating, they'd still be defended even now by players who think that all evidence is ever merely circumstantial. That was so pathetic to read.


Agree, but people werent defending him because they actually believed he wasent cheating.

They were defending him just to be a "e rebel", go against the grain, start arguments, ROAR!

If you made a topic telling people that grass indeed is green in most places, you would get 30+ pages of people telling you that you are wrong, because in some parts of Indonesia there is blue gra... etc etc.

The current maphack by a certain guy actually gives out a visual and a audio warning when someone makes a banshee, DT or any unit that needs a more specific way to counter, this guy was clearly using that, so he did not even need to scout his opponnents base becuase the production tab is there to tell him everything needed to know.
Anyone who took the time to watch the replays saw he was maphacking, clear as day
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Moskau
Profile Joined July 2010
114 Posts
March 12 2011 11:46 GMT
#251
Sure, but that doesn't close the holes in the game design.


Man, it's nearly impossible to make a game that cannot be hacked in. If someone puts in the time and the effort, you will find a way to exploit it, despite how much protection the company puts into the game. I don't know what the size of blizzards team is, but they're against thousands, if not tens of thousands of people trying to find cracks in the game, it's inevitable.
GenocideRun
Profile Joined July 2010
United States262 Posts
March 12 2011 11:48 GMT
#252
On March 12 2011 20:46 Moskau wrote:
Show nested quote +
Sure, but that doesn't close the holes in the game design.


Man, it's nearly impossible to make a game that cannot be hacked in. If someone puts in the time and the effort, you will find a way to exploit it, despite how much protection the company puts into the game. I don't know what the size of blizzards team is, but they're against thousands, if not tens of thousands of people trying to find cracks in the game, it's inevitable.


HoN is un-maphackable, mainly due tot he fact that all of the information is stored on servers instead of being broadcast to every player in the game.
Genocide.run, Dota2 player and sc2 fan!
Aim Here
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Scotland672 Posts
March 12 2011 11:53 GMT
#253
On March 12 2011 20:29 Jinsho wrote:
Had they not admitted to cheating, they'd still be defended even now by players who think that all evidence is ever merely circumstantial. That was so pathetic to read.


To be fair, until the admission, the evidence given was circumstantial though - by themselves almost all of the little bits of dubious behaviour had alternative, innocent explanations. I've gambled by making proxy structures on Metalopolis before scouting the bad guy's base, for instance. (of course my luck being what it is, the proxy ended up being further from the bad guy's base than my own base!). Circumstantial evidence is still good evidence, it just can't establish guilt on its own.

Of course, as more of this evidence piles up, the innocent explanation becomes more tenuous and less likely.
Selkie
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States530 Posts
March 12 2011 12:06 GMT
#254
The issue with detecting hack programs is a program can simply read and pass on the feed, without the game or the connection being any wiser.

Sorry, gone a long time without sleep- I talked about this with a professional programmer, he told me the above.
Holdinga
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Bulgaria300 Posts
March 12 2011 12:10 GMT
#255
Don't have much time for all the reps, but I watched the third rep, and it is DAMN obvious. Combining that, and with what Ret said, for example, I can laugh to all people that try to defend that ( or those ) pathetic hacker/s. I left competitive CS because of hacking, later on competitive DotA because of hacking, I hope it does not repeat with sc2.
GenocideRun
Profile Joined July 2010
United States262 Posts
March 12 2011 12:16 GMT
#256
On March 12 2011 21:10 Holdinga wrote:
Don't have much time for all the reps, but I watched the third rep, and it is DAMN obvious. Combining that, and with what Ret said, for example, I can laugh to all people that try to defend that ( or those ) pathetic hacker/s. I left competitive CS because of hacking, later on competitive DotA because of hacking, I hope it does not repeat with sc2.


You do realize there were like 4 actual good competeive players that hacked in dota, right? Two of them from TEG, and then there was Sorcery(This guy here)? No reason to say dota was plagued by hacking -.-
Genocide.run, Dota2 player and sc2 fan!
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States45049 Posts
March 12 2011 12:18 GMT
#257
On March 12 2011 15:57 PinkPrincess wrote:
To whoever asked to put up: the mods can absolutely ban me if they want if there is definitive proof found of him hacking (I don't just mean a panel of random respected people deciding that he hacks)


Just out of curiosity, do you regret saying that, now that they've confessed it openly on this forum? Obviously, I know you wanted to back up your friends, but that kinda sucks
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Lennon
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2275 Posts
March 12 2011 12:21 GMT
#258
Be gone from SC2 forever.
PinkPrincess
Profile Joined July 2010
United States149 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-12 12:26:33
March 12 2011 12:22 GMT
#259
On March 12 2011 21:18 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2011 15:57 PinkPrincess wrote:
To whoever asked to put up: the mods can absolutely ban me if they want if there is definitive proof found of him hacking (I don't just mean a panel of random respected people deciding that he hacks)


Just out of curiosity, do you regret saying that, now that they've confessed it openly on this forum? Obviously, I know you wanted to back up your friends, but that kinda sucks

I would regret it if I ended up banned, although I wouldn't try to circumvent it and start popping up on other accounts.

I don't regret saying what I said, even though I was wrong - I was standing up for my friends at a point when I believed they were falsely accused. Even if there's reasonable circumstancial evidence against a friend (but no hard evidence), if he swears to me that he didn't do it and has relatively plausible excuses then I'm inclined to believe him as opposed to the accuser (who I should note I have a mutually antagonistic relationship with going back into BW times). Prior to this incident, I did consider Sorcery one of my best SC2 friends.
Grumpity grump
Ftrunkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Australia2474 Posts
March 12 2011 12:22 GMT
#260
holy crap, just by maphacking some 60apm jobber got #1 that quick on US ladder? And in all reality all the evidence against him (bar the fact that his mechanics was horrible and he made absolutely no attempt to scout ever) was pretty much completely dismissable because of his ridiculous hacks like that 'camara hider'?


Am i the only one scared for the sc2 competitions online right now? I mean, there's plenty of 'unknowns' out there (look at the TSL) that are springing up out of nowhere, and even top players are by no means above hacking (just look at broodwars 'top players' hacking history)... Really makes me question the credibility of ANYTHING not done in a LAN setting :\.

I mean honestly, if this clown had decent apm (>150 sc2gears apm) and had been around at least somewhat before exploding to #1 (say had a few online tournament placings here and there) and slowly worked his way up week by week instead of just insta #1'ing it and having ridiculous 90% winrates in 2v2's, who would've really suspected him?

This is actually really depressing for me personally, I didn't realize sc2 hacks had got this serious already
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